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===A Brief History of Lodz===

Rather than have a dull negative view of Lodz, which does have an interesting history, I thought I'd take a few bits of it's past and add it here in the UNDERSTAND section. I used some of what Huttite wrote, and simply reedited some things I found online which I find to be true about Lodz. It, too me, seems preferable to writing it's a dull grey uninteresting city of death... Because it's not. I want to write more about art and culture and film and nightlife later, perhaps in other sections. Comments. [[User:(WT-en) Khrystene|(WT-en) khrystene]] 12:24am 30 Dec 2005 CET


====Negativity====

I'd like to know who wrote this "Lodz has never been beautiful" etc, over and over again. There is beauty in Lodz, even if not immediately evident. THere's a plethora of 18th C architecture and the arts scene is amazing... not to mention film... 

It may not be the oldest city in Poland, but then again, Warszawa was mostly rebuilt after WWII so only the Praga side of the Wistula remains it's 'actual' age.

As for beggars, there are beggars EVERYwhere in Europe and around the world for that matter... I don't think it's isolated in Lodz.

'cough' [[User:(WT-en) Khrystene|(WT-en) Khrystene]] 19:21, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)


:If you think its wrong then please [[Project:plunge forward|plunge forward]] and make it [[Project:Avoid negative reviews|more positive]]. Please... -- [[User:(WT-en) Huttite|(WT-en) Huttite]] 19:30, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)


:: PLUNGING as we speak/type [[User:(WT-en) Khrystene|(WT-en) Khrystene]]


::: '''Beggars and Safety''' 
I mentioned beggars in the stay safe section, beacuse robbery and theft is an important issue in a city that has a high unemployment rate of nearly 13% (In 2003) ''(2004 statistics are not yet avaliable from the Central Statistical Office, which keeps records for the Polish government)''  I don't deny that beggars can be found elsewhere or that some cities have a higher number of beggars than others, but I found this to be an important issue to address  

The most important statistics for the city that relate to staying safe are the following:

Crime/ Number of incidents

*Theft/ 13,845
*Burgulary/ 12,137
*Robbery/Theft by assault or criminal coercion/ 2,482
*Assault/ 291

[[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] 21:50, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

::::Of course there are beggars and theft and other things associated with poverty, however after having lived there and (in comparison) in Sydney, Australia, I would suggest that the average visitor would have to be as careful in Lodz as in any large city anywhere. The tone of the comment was rather overly negative in my personal view, which is why I questioned it. Lodz has always had a 'bad rap' for various reasons, and I don't think that being scared when you get to Lodz is a good idea. Moscow these days is incredibly frightening according to friends who have been there, and yet, many many people still go there as it's an interesting city. The best idea is to have a few coins in your pocket in case you're hassled by beggars. The tragedy is, that without more work (and tourism can provide lots of work opportunities), there will continue to be many very poor people and thus ''REAL'' beggars in Lodz. [[User:(WT-en) Khrystene|(WT-en) khrystene]] 11:39 4 Jan 2006 (CET)

==Photo, Galeria Lodzka, Orbis Grand Hotel ==

Khrystene, would you possibly be able get a photo of Lodz so we can place it in the article? 

I figure you're the one that added the info for Galeria Lodzka. I've been searching for information for this place, but whereas my Polish is very subpar I was unable to find anything except the name of the place, which is in a photograph with myself and friends. Could you possibly find a website for this mall?

Also, do you know of a website for the Orbis Grand Hotel and a phone number?
Thanks - [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] 16:38, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

: Re: Photo's, yes I probably could get some from my own files, but it will take time. [[User:(WT-en) Khrystene|(WT-en) khrystene]]

==Help==

Can someone help me figure out why the photo is not loading on the article? Thanks [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] 04:32, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

== Why? ==

Why was this article reverted to the version from two months ago, effectively removing all the fixes by me and some other people? [[User:(WT-en) CandleWithHare|(WT-en) CandleWithHare]] 10:45, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
:Actually nothing was "reverted", however, you're right some of your changes were removed.  It appears when I updated the article I copy and pasted the entire article back in and not just the part that I had worked on.  I'll fix it later.  -- Sapphire
::It looks exactly like an old version and that's why I'm calling it a revert.  Anyway, I've restored the last good version for now. [[User:(WT-en) CandleWithHare|(WT-en) CandleWithHare]] 12:26, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
:::No, there were some big changes especially with listings and a huge amount of research went into finding phone numbers, addresses, and websites.  I had meant to only copy and paste the See - Sleep sections but I apparently forgot and in the process restored the old version of Understand - Get around and Stay safe. -- [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] 13:00, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

== Rename this article? ==

Should this be renamed to [[Łódź]] per [[Project:Article naming conventions]]? -- [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire)]] 11:29, 7 December 2006 (EST)
:Yes, Sapphire, you're completely right ''and'', might I add, a genius. -- [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] • <small>([[User talk:(WV-en) Sapphire|Talk]])</small> • 15:30, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

::Geez, thanks. -- [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] • <small>([[User talk:(WV-en) Sapphire|Talk]])</small> • 15:30, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

:::However your Polish typing skills are a bit dodgy. ;) -[[User:(WT-en) TVerBeek|(WT-en) Todd VerBeek]] 15:36, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

::::I hope you're not questioning my geniusness. 8) -- [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] • <small>([[User talk:(WV-en) Sapphire|Talk]])</small> • 15:47, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

== Article layout ==

I'm glad others have taken the time to make this one of the better entries on wikivoyage, but its format differs from all of the others I've seen and is rather hard to navigate as familiar features in this unique format are in different places.  In my opinion, the different look adds very little to the article, in fact it could be argued that it detracts from an otherwise impressive effort.  It took a while to find this section so I could add this quick note.  Again, it's a nice entry - I've learned quite a bit about Lodz and look forward to paying a visit - but could we just keep this article in the standard wiki format, please?  I don't know how to revert to the usual format (or how someone got it to look like this in the first place) or I'd do it myself.

:This is one of the better entries?  I wouldn't go that far.  Anyhow, yes, I agree the design and somewhat unusual use of bold lettering should be improved.  I'll try and get to it later today, or Monday.  By the way, when are you planning to visit?  I recommend rereading the guide sometime around mid-October when I should have more information in this article. -- [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire|(WT-en) Sapphire]] • <small>([[User talk:(WV-en) Sapphire|Talk]])</small> • 07:04, 19 August 2007 (EDT)


== Internet Cafe del Mondo ==

I do not live in Lodz, BUT I was at 55 Piotrkowska Str. yesterday and there is no trace of an internet cafe. The actual building of 55 Piotrkowska Str. seems to be an outlet. The Skydiving Cafe is fine though, so I moved it up and changed the description of Cafe Del Mondo. <small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:(WT-en) 157.25.164.10|(WT-en) 157.25.164.10]] ([[User talk:157.25.164.10|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/157.25.164.10|contribs]]) 11:58, 21 July 2010</small>

:I have removed the listing based on your report. Please update and add it back if you can find any trace of that place, though. &ndash; [[User:(WT-en) Vidimian|(WT-en) Vidimian]] 09:24, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== Camerimage ==

the festival has been moved to Bydgoszcz so i think that we should remove info from page.[[User:(WT-en) JakubPiotr|(WT-en) JakubPiotr]] 14:16, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

:Instead of deleting it outright, it may be better to move it to [[Bydgoszcz]] article—please [[Project:Plunge forward|plunge forward]]! &ndash; [[User:(WT-en) Vidimian|(WT-en) Vidimian]] 15:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Done (hope that I done it properly] [[User:(WT-en) JakubPiotr|(WT-en) JakubPiotr]] 20:33, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeap, no problems as far as I can see. &ndash; [[User:(WT-en) Vidimian|(WT-en) Vidimian]] 20:36, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== Double listings ==

We generally don't list places twice so I'm not sure how to proceed with places like Karol Scheibler's Palace/Film Museum and White Factory/Textile Museum. I think they should be kept only in Museums section.

Another thing is [http://en.manufaktura.com/ Manufaktura] - one of the city focal points, 19th century factory turned shopping centre with cinemas, restaurants, a museum (or two) and a hotel - listed in basically every section of the article. I was thinking of creating new subsection under See: '''Industrial heritage''' and putting there Manufaktura, Księży Młyn (another large abandoned factory planned for 'revitalisation'), [http://www.ec1lodz.pl/ EC1] (not yet in the article, cultural centre in an old powerplant) and [https://www.facebook.com/OFFPiotrkowska OFF Piotrkowska] (gentrified hipster hub with bars, shops, ateliers etc. in, yes, you guessed, old factory). Thoughts? [[User:Jjtkk|Jjtkk]] ([[User talk:Jjtkk|talk]]) 08:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

:We could describe the industrial heritage it in general in an article and use markers to help travellers locate the main points of heritage. I believe that Manufaktura is so huge that every type of attraction (shopping centre, particular restaurants, the cinema, the hotel, the museum) could use a separate POI, and now with marker clustering displaying those should not be a problem.
:I did mention the issue of some places having double nature (e.g. a "see" historic building you may want to just, well, see from the outside that also has a "do" or "buy" or "drink" role) and that we should be able to invoke a specific marker / number more than once sometimes ago in either the Pub or the Dynamic Maps expedition, but was brushed off. I still believe there was merit in it. [[User:PrinceGloria|PrinceGloria]] ([[User talk:PrinceGloria|talk]]) 09:10, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

== Learn and Work ==

If either of these sections have things that a traveller can easily do short term, feel free to restore those things to the article (with more details). Otherwise, I'm putting this stuff here below. [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] ([[User talk:Texugo|talk]]) 22:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
===Learn===
*{{see
| name=University of Łódź | url=http://www.uni.lodz.pl/ang/portal/ | email=
| address=ul. Narutowicza 65 | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone=(+48) 42 635 43 00 | tollfree= | fax=+48 (42) 665 57 71
| hours= | price=
| content= 
}}
:*'''The School of Polish for Foreigners in the University of Łódź''' - Offers courses in Polish for periods of one month, five months, and two nine month programs. [http://www.sjpdc.uni.lodz.pl/]

*{{see
| name=Technical University of Łódź | url=http://www.p.lodz.pl/eng/index.jsp | email=rector@sir.p.lodz.pl
| address=Address | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone=(+48) 42 636 74 77 | tollfree= | fax=+48 (42) 636 85 22
| hours= | price=
| content= 
}}

*{{see
| name=Medical University of Łódź | url=http://www.umed.lodz.pl/index.en.php | email=rektor@rkt.am.lodz.pl
| address=Al. Kościuszki 4 | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone=(+48) 42 632-51-00 | tollfree= | fax=+48 (42) 630-07-07
| hours= | price=
| content= 
}}

*{{see
| name=The Leon Schiller's National Higher School of Film, Television and Theatre (Państwowa Wyższa Szkoła Filmowa, Telewizyjna i Teatralna im. L. Schillera) | url=http://www.filmschool.lodz.pl | email=swzfilm@filmschool.lodz.pl
| address=ul.Targowa 61 | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone=(+48) 42 634-58-20 | tollfree= | fax=+48 (42) 674 81 39
| hours= | price=
| content=One of the most famous filmschools in the world, many famous filmmakers such as Andrzej Wajda, Roman Polanski, and Krzystof Kieslowski studied here. And also today there is a very active student community with students from Poland and from abroad. 
}}

*{{see
| name=Strzemiński Academy of Arts | url=http://asp.lodz.pl/ | email=kancelaria@asp.lodz.pl
| address=ul. Wojska Polskiego 121 | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone=(+48) 42 2547 598 | tollfree= | fax=(+48) 42 2547 560
| hours= | price=
| content=
}}

*{{see
| name=Academy of Music in Łódź | alt=Akademia Muzyczna im. Grażyna i Kiejstuta Bacewiczów w Łodzi | url=http://www.amuz.lodz.pl/ | email=international@amuz.lodz.pl
| address=ul. Gdańska 32 | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone=(+48) 42 662 16 15 | tollfree= | fax=
| hours= | price=
| content=
}}

===Work===

Numerous international companies have operations in Lodz, since Łódź is the third largest city in Poland and has a high amount of technically skilled labor.

Native speakers of English, German, French, Spanish and Italian can usually easily find a job in one of many language schools in the city. EU nationals will find this process easiest.