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== Discussion to prevent overzealous editing was derailed == |
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'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Danielklein|Danielklein]] ([[User talk:Danielklein|talk]]) '''at''' 07:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*{{userlinks|Danielklein}}, ''filing party'' |
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*{{userlinks|Danielklein}} |
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*{{userlinks|Melcous}} |
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*{{Diff|User talk:Danielklein|967438424|939482135|diff of notification Danielklein}} |
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*{{Diff|User talk:Melcous|967438538|967434869|diff of notification Melcous}} |
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;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried |
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* [[User talk:Melcous#Victoria COVID-19 updates]] |
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=== Statement by Danielklein === |
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I reached out to Melcous to let her know that the edit I made that she reverted had been recreated in spirit a few hours later by another editor, i.e. she should have tried to improve my edit, contact me, or put {{citation needed}} on the edit, not simply delete the edit. I asked her if she could use more Wikipedia guidelines such as [[WP:GOODFAITH]], [[WP:BOLD]], etc. which I see as part of [[WP:COURTESY]]. She was dismissive and not interested. I am concerned that Melcous is very likely to initiate aggressive edit warring in the future. I agree with her criticism of the edit, but I can't agree with her actions when there were so many viable alternatives. I'm not perfect. I make mistakes like anyone, and I hope to learn from them. I also hope to be able to teach others when they make mistakes, but they have to be open to it. |
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=== Statement by Danielklein === |
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=== Statement by Melcous === |
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All this is over a single edit. There have been several misunderstandings (in both directions) on my talk page since then, which is unfortunate. |
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*Danielklein [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia&type=revision&diff=966986676&oldid=966968527 added this content] and I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia&diff=next&oldid=966986676 reverted] with the edit summary "This is unclear and would need sourcing - "last" implies there will not be any more, but the date is only one day prior." Daniel did not request clarification from me at the time. |
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*Another editor added similar content but included a source and clarified the wording by using "ceased" rather than "last" (last could mean "most recent" or "final"; without a source it was unclear). Daniel [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Melcous&diff=next&oldid=967101447 posted] on my talk page "I see someone else has now made essentially the same edit I originally made." There is no "i.e." in this statement, and to me it reads as reasonably sarcastic, simply pointing out a similar edit made with no explanation of why the need was felt to point this out. I do not see how this can now be characterised as a "Discussion to prevent overzealous editing". |
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*I replied with the statement of fact "the difference being they included a source" - including a smiley face, but which yes could also potentially be read as sarcastic. I'm not perfect either, even though daniel apparently wants to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Melcous&diff=next&oldid=967430301 put those words] in my mouth. |
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*I then received a comment that at the time read as being directing at me saying "Boom! You're wrong!" which completely confused me and led to me asking why and clarifying the difference between the two edits (note, some time later, daniel [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Melcous&diff=next&oldid=967271937 edited that comment] to include quotation marks, making clear that his intention was to sarcastically quote what he felt ''I'' had been saying by my actions, but this was not at all apparent to me at the time, nor is it a fair characterisation of my original edit summary). |
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*And so it has gone on. I tried to end the conversation three times. |
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*Now, I am accused of being "dismissive and not interested" apparently meaning I am "very likely to initiate aggressive edit warring in the future", even though daniel agrees with my criticism of his original edit (and I fail to see how a single reversion can be perceived as edit warring). |
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*This filing for arbitration seems to me to be an over the top escalation from something that started as completely minor, and, to be frank, a waste of everybody's time. [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 08:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Naypta === |
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...Why is this at arbitration, having never even gone to ANI? [[User:Naypta|Naypta]] ☺ | <small>[[User talk:Naypta|✉ talk page]]</small> | 08:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by [[User:Reyk]] === |
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It doesn't look as though anyone's even tried the usual dispute resolution venues. There's no need yet to go straight to ArbCom. [[User:Reyk|<b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b>]] <sub>[[User talk:Reyk|<b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b>]]</sub> 09:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Usedtobecool === |
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"... concerned that Melcous is very likely to initiate aggressive edit warring in the future"?!! ArbCom does not do pre-crime, nor is it any editor's parent to tell on them. I suggest the filer withdraw and go to the [[WP:Teahouse|Teahouse]]. '''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]] [[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]]''' 09:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by {Non-party} === |
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Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. |
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=== Discussion to prevent overzealous editing was derailed: Clerk notes === |
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=== Discussion to prevent overzealous editing was derailed: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/5/0> === |
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{{anchor|1=Discussion to prevent overzealous editing was derailed: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small> |
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*'''decline''' - nowhere near a last-resort dispute. In general, the onus is on the orignal contributor to provide a source to the material they add. The exchange [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Melcous&oldid=967438538#Victoria_COVID-19_updates here] strikes me as a massive overreaction to the original single revert. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline'''. I think this can be dismissed as obviously premature. {{u|Danielklein}}, reverting material that was added without a source—or indeed any material added that another editor disagrees with including—is a perfectly normal practice, documented amongst other places at [[WP:BURDEN]] and [[WP:BRD]]. It shouldn't be taken personally. – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 11:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' as clearly premature per above. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 13:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' per above. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 15:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' or dismiss as premature. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 15:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' clearly premature. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 15:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC) |
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