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== Folco Quilici ==
'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Paolotamag|Paolotamag]] ([[User talk:Paolotamag|talk]]) '''at''' 21:42, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Involved parties ===
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*{{userlinks|Paolotamag}}, ''filing party''
*{{userlinks|Lugnuts}}

;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
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*[[Special:Diff/827516161|Lugnuts]]

;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts#Folco_Quilici
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folco_Quilici
* paolotamag.github.io

=== Statement by Paolotamag ===
Greetings,
I am Paolo Tamagnini, son of Luca Tamagnini, step-son of Folco Quilici.
Folco Quilici died today in Orvieto and we are still grieving.
I am sorry to write you regarding the behavior of the admin user Lugnuts.
I understands this user is an authority in the filmography pages of Wikipedia.
Despite this, this user is not helping me in save information regarding my grandfather onto Wikipedia.
My understanding is that Wikipedia gives the possibility to store information safely for future generations.
The website folcoquilici.com had material I would like to save on wikipedia before such old website would have gone offline.
Following the wikipedia rules we:
* set at the bottom of the page http://folcoquilici.com/en/biografia.html the message stating the content is under Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License.
* copy the content from such website to the wikipedia page of Folco Quilici
* properly citing every paragraph to our website

Then Lugnuts delete the whole content stating it could not be done a copy paste from a website already existing.
After this we stopped paying the bills for such website and it went offline and such website no longer exists.
Now the content is lost and unavailable on the day of the artist's death.

All I want to do is to make sure such content is available, Lugnuts is just threatening me with bans without giving any explanations.
I think he is jealous that someone else can edit a page he has created and he lost track of what Wikipedia is really about.

I hope this commission will at least fairly answer me.

Thanks
Paolo

=== Statement by Lugnuts ===
=== Statement by EEng ===
In addition to giving other appropriate advice (e.g. that a direct copy-paste probably isn't appropriate even if from a CC-licensed source, simply for style and balance reasons), perhaps some kind admin could email the OP a WP:REFUND, since if I understand correctly the site has gone offline and they've lost the site's text. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks to BURob for his response. Now, is there such a thing as a SNOW decline? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*{{U|L235}}, thanks. Now please, given the circumstances and the slight language barrier, can someone please be sure that there's a clear and sympathetic explanation given to the OP when this is all over? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:31, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Statement by Dave ===
The reverts were IMHO correct however Lugnuts ''should've'' discussed it instead of constantly smacking revert ..... but anyway this is a premature case and as such should be declined. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 13:19, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Correction by Beyond MY Ken ===
Lugnuts is not an admin. I have BOLDly changed "admin" to "userlinks" in the "Involved parties" section, but have not altered the OP's statement. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 20:33, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Statement by {Non-party} ===
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
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=== Folco Quilici: Clerk notes ===
:''This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).''
*[[Special:Diff/827516161|Notified]] Lugnuts. '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[User talk:L235#top|t]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 04:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
**{{re|EEng}} there is; clerks may dismiss a request as [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#When_to_take_action|"frivolous, meaningless, or obviously premature"]] when it "clearly does not belong at arbitration or is so unintelligible as to be useless". That suggestion was discussed and rejected by an arbitrator for this case request. Best, '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[User talk:L235#top|t]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 05:25, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Folco Quilici : Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/11/0> ===
{{anchor|1=Folco Quilici Biography from old website is prevented to be safely copied on wikipedia.: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small>
*'''Decline''', not a matter for ArbCom. Paolotamag, I will echo Seraphimblade's comment on your talk page and say that I am sorry if you've been misinformed about the nature and purpose of Wikipedia. Unfortunately, we are not simply an archive of information, but an encyclopedia intended to reflect information from reliable sources. I suggest you have a look at [[WP:OUTLET]], which Seraphim linked on your talk page. It may provide helpful suggestions as to where you can archive this material. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 22:09, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
*While this is ultimately not a matter for arbitration, and so I'll vote to '''decline''', I think it's worth voicing that conduct should have been better here. {{re|Lugnuts}} Before you remove content as a copyright violation, please check that it isn't released under a free license. As of January 28, this content ''was'' released under a suitable license. [https://web.archive.org/web/20180128021032/http://folcoquilici.it/en/biografia.html] The new editor tried to communicate this to you [[User_talk:Lugnuts#Folco_Quilici|here]], which you did not respond to. Nevertheless, you continued reverting without further discussion. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Folco_Quilici&diff=827406363&oldid=827400709] The edit summary on that last edit is also unnecessary and serves only to escalate the situation. This should have proceeded via talk page discussion aimed at incorporating encyclopedic information from the proposed source, if any was there. Repeated reverts, a lack of discussion, and templating is not going to achieve the best results. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 22:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
**{{re|EEng}} I linked an archived version of the site in my comment above, so they can get the text from there. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 04:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' - but agree with the points made by PMC and Rob. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 22:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''', also in agreement with views above. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 16:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]] ([[User talk:Alex Shih|talk]]) 17:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' -- [[User talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User:DeltaQuad|(aka DQ)]]</small> 17:34, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' [[User:RickinBaltimore|RickinBaltimore]] ([[User talk:RickinBaltimore|talk]]) 19:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' also agreeing with PMC and Rob, this was unfortunate and might have been avoided. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:12, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''', for the reasons above. First of all, Paolo, I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I'm afraid that Seraphimblade's post on your talk and PMC's comment above are correct - you've misunderstood a bit what a Wikipedia article is for and what kind of information it should contain, and the links they provided should help you get oriented to Wikipedia content guidelines. To address another (very common) misunderstanding, nobody on Wikipedia is an "authority" over particular articles - not Lugnuts, and certainly not arbitrators - instead we decide on content by consensus. So you had the right idea in responding to this dispute by trying to get outside opinions, but arbitration is intended for problems that other community processes have been unable to resolve - usually disputes that have been ongoing for a long time. Requesting arbitration for this particular dispute is unnecessary (and it's good to avoid us, because arbitration takes a long time too). So, although we're declining, that doesn't mean there wasn't a problem. Lugnuts, please read Rob's post; your behavior in this dispute was not wise. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] ([[User talk:Opabinia regalis|talk]]) 21:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' per PMC and Rob. Paolo, I'm very sorry about your loss. <span style="color: #9932CC">[[:User:KrakatoaKatie|Katie]]<sup>[[User talk:KrakatoaKatie|talk]]</sup></span> 22:51, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' '''[[User:Mkdw|<span style="color:black;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">Mkdw</span>]]''' [[User talk:Mkdw|<sup>''<span style="color: #0B0080;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">talk</span>''</sup>]] 06:29, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' and echo the comments by Opabina regalis and Krakatoa Katie. Sorry for your loss. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 06:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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