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Amendment request: all past cases regarding ethnic feuds	none	none	26 December 2021

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Amendment request: all past cases regarding ethnic feuds

Amendment request declined. –MJL ‐Talk‐🤶 15:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Initiated by Tgeorgescu at 14:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Case or decision affected all past cases regarding ethnic feuds Clauses to which an amendment is requested stipulating discretionary sanctions List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request Tgeorgescu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator) Information about amendment request stipulating discretionary sanctions on the spot, by any admin Statement by Tgeorgescu Nationalist editors, who only defend one side of the story should be indeffed or topic banned on the spot. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Statement by GoodDay Oh jeez. The number of times over the years, I've come across nationalism being pushed (successfully sometimes) in areas of the project. What's being asked for in this ARCA, has the potential to open up a barrel of worms. GoodDay (talk) 04:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Statement by Aquillion As tempting as it is, this is not practical. WP:DE is already policy and WP:TEND already exists and if arbitrators had a magic wand that would make enforcing those easy and straightforward without collateral damage, they would have waved it already. --Aquillion (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Statement by {other-editor} Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information. all past cases regarding ethnic feuds: Clerk notes This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals). This goes without saying, but all past cases regarding ethnic feuds is not a valid case name. I have therefore removed the {{RFARlinks}} template to avoid confusion. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 04:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC) all past cases regarding ethnic feuds: Arbitrator views and discussion I am going to ask the dumb question here, but is it not the case that all past cases involving ethnic (and/or political) disputes have within them the ability to topic-ban individuals following the appropriate warning (specifically, Discretionary Sanctions)? For what is this amendment request actually asking? Primefac (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC) (obviously) decline per the others below, though I do think a broadaxe would be a good look along with the fez and cardigan. Primefac (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2021 (UTC) yeah, this is extremely thin and I am not real interested in an idea that would make a mass change to a broad category of prior arbcom cases. I can't see anything coming out of this as it is currently framed. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC) One man's nationalist is another's patriot. I think we would have a hard time administering this standard. There are a lot of edge cases and grey areas. We already ban disruptive nationalists as is. No evidence has been presented at all, so it's hard to see that this is a problem at all. Is there perhaps a more specific dispute that you would like us to look at? As a practical matter, we generally avoid broad proscriptions, opting instead for tailored solutions. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:07, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Decline. Firmly. Discretionary sanctions in an area that has history of controversy (including, but not limited to areas where nationalism is present), is one thing. A blanket ability of any admin to block any editor simply by declaring them a nationalist? I am absolutely unwilling to have anything to do with that sort of authoritarianism. Let's gloss over the fact that it could be misused so easily, and consider some forms of nationalism that we all see in the western world - American patriotism, Brexit, anti-colonial nationalism, civic nationalism, sporting nationalism? Would you ban an editor for having an opinion of one of those areas, even if there is no controversy in the area? I can ramble about this further, but I think my point sits at "what CaptainEek said, but louder". WormTT(talk) 09:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Decline. What WTT said. ArbCom sanctions should be a scalpel, not a broadaxe. Regards SoWhy 11:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Decline --BDD (talk) 20:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Concurring with the others, thanks for the suggestion, but no action needed. The clerks can close this thread at their convenience. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:33, 25 December 2021 (UTC) Per NYB. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 09:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)