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NBA Sportsmanship Award vote to exclude on WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS?

NBA Sportsmanship Award was only included on WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS because it reflected existing practice at the time, not because of any explicit discussion. Meanwhile, the following are not included (not because of explicit consensus): NBA Teammate of the Year, Clutch Player of the Year, NBA Hustle Award, NBA Citizenship Award, NBA Social Justice Champion Award, and NBA Community Assist Award.

I am in favor of either excluding Sportsmanship Award or including all of the above. Shall we do a vote? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

It was brought up in 2012 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 20 § Career highlights order. At that point, I was only presenting how to organize what was already conssitently being done, and Sportsmanship was in bios but something like J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award was not. FWIW, basketball-reference.com displays it on top of players' profiles.[1] I'm neutral on what to do with it. Willing to grandfather that, but see no compelling reason to add the newer ones (yet).—Bagumba (talk) 09:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

All of those should be excluded from the infobox IMO. Rikster2 (talk) 15:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm w/Rikster2 on this. SportsGuy789 (talk) 00:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

My opinion is that if the player doesn't have many highlights then it is fine to include. However if he has many highlights (20+ maybe?) then this is definitely not one of the highlights of his career and should not be included. The NBA Community Assist Award might be one of George Hill's top career highlights, but not Stephen Curry's.

Honestly, the more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that we should rate the awards by classes, for instance A, B, C etc. Top-tier league championships and MVP's should be A class while these mentioned above would be much lower. Then put a soft cap on highlights. If a player has more than a certain amount of total highlights, then we drop the lower class awards from the highlights section (they can be included under a more detailed Awards and honors section at the bottom of the article). Alvaldi (talk) 11:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I like the idea of highlight tiers but I have never liked the idea of including a given highlight in some cases but not others. In my opinion that just creates confusion with non-hardcore editors. If, for example, college all-conference is notable, then it should be included in all the cases where players won these awards. Players like LeBron or Wilt Chamberlain or Larry Bird will always have longer highlight lists than others. But the idea of (again an example) the NBA sportsmanship award showing up in some players’ infoboxes but not others leaves me cold. Just have the discipline to exclude it and only mention it on the prose Rikster2 (talk) 15:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there's too many drive-by editors that will see awards in some bios and add it to the missing ones. In a crowd-sourced environment, it just reduces churn to go with all or nothing. —Bagumba (talk) 17:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Hoops Rumors site reliable?

Do people consider https://www.hoopsrumors.com reliable? It's used on Talen Horton-Tucker for his supposed signing of an Exhibit 10 contract, a murky area that has been discussed before. The source itself relies on RealGM.com to declare this "official".[2] Often, teams don't realeae anything on Exhibit 10s until training camp, if they even say anything at all. —Bagumba (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

doesn’t matter if hoops rumors is reliable or not, we use official announcements or addition to the official roster. The only cases we have made exceptions have been high profile transactions that have been reported everywhere (like LeBron James) where it would look silly for Wikipedia not to reflect it. Horton-Tucker is not in that category of signing to force the issue. However, he is shown on the Bulls official roster page (albeit with a FA marker). Rikster2 (talk) 12:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Listing someone new on your roster but marking them with FA is unclear what it actually means, so I'd semi-discount it. —Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of NBA career ejections leaders for deletion

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Left guide (talk) 22:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Notice of reliable sources noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Fadeaway World. Thank you. Left guide (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: Archived at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 451 § Fadeaway World —Bagumba (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

NBA champion in infobox: Two-way players and Avery Bradley

When we last discussed "NBA champion" for infoboxes in 2017, two-way players weren't a thing yet. Back then, we said anyone on the playoff roster is a champion. So Kevon Looney, who was inactive throughout the 2017 playoffs, had "NBA champion" listed.

The de facto practice seems to be that 2-way players have been listed as "NBA champion" also. Technically, they aren't eligible for the playoffs. Assuming that is OK, it was brought up at Talk:Avery Bradley § Lakers 2020 Championship that Avery Bradley was still on the Lakers' roster in 2020, though he opted out of the bubble. The claim is that he was still on the roster, though inactive. Should he have "NBA champion" listed? —Bagumba (talk) 06:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

History at NBA team pages

Serious cleanup is needed in history sections of NBA teams as one editor has been a lot of stuff that has a number of issues (particularly grammar and sources). I am not able to make regular edits so help from active editors would be appreciated. – sbaio 19:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Nic Barlage for deletion

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Left guide (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)