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Feedback request: History and geography request for comment

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ECR alert edit request details

Hi SFR, how is this for a message informing user's of AI-ABECR regulations regarding what kind of edit requests are allowed?

"To edit in the Israeli-Palestinian topic area on Wikipedia accounts must be at least thirty days old and have at least 500 edits. This includes editing talk pages, with the sole exception being for very specific edit requests, which should be in the form of "change x to y for reason z."

Thanks, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not bad. I've been thinking of adding something similar to the welcome template I made to make it clear that it applies to talk pages. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would include some phrasing that this includes articles that are not inherently about the Arab-Israeli conflict. Here is a suggestion:
"To edit in the Arab-Israeli topic area on Wikipedia (including articles that are not primarily about the Arab-Israeli conflict, but the edit involves the Arab-Israeli conflict), accounts must be at least thirty days old and have at least 500 edits. This includes editing talk pages. The sole exception being specific talk page edit requests, that are in the form of "change x to y for reason z." The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
{{welcome-arbpia}} has language along those lines. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to waste your time, but I've been using this lately:
"To edit in the Israeli-Palestinian topic area on Wikipedia accounts must be at least thirty days old and have at least 500 edits. This includes editing talk pages, with the sole exception being for simple and specific edit requests, which should be in the form of "change x to y for reason z", and which should ideally be done using the Edit Request Wizard."
Any objections to this? Seem appropriate? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if directing new editors to the wizard would be that helpful. This is just my personal view, but the pile of preloaded templates and formatting makes it difficult for people unfamiliar with wiki editing to figure out what's going on. The majority of edit request wizard requests I saw when I patrolled edit requests were malformed. That's anecdotal, though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right, I removed that bit.
Thanks for the feedback and thank you for always responding to my pings to enforce ECR. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback request: History and geography request for comment

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Talk page protection

This article November 2024 Amsterdam attacks is protected but its talk page is not. Is that normal? Could we get the talk page protected also? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I guess it can't be protected since people need to be able to make edit requests eh. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it becomes disruptive enough talk pages can be protected for a short time. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Might be a good idea then. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm keeping an eye on it, but it's a bit borderline. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks SFR. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 22:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. One of the issues I'm havingis that this isn't really a primary article of the Arab/Israel conflict so I'm hesitant to move forward with draconian measures if it can be avoided. If it keeps up, though, I'll probably start with semi. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November music

story · music · places

I uploaded more pics, on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - Madeleine Riffaud - remember. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Flamewar at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions over BilledMammal. Thank you. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 19:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm notifying you because you've previously warned Makeandtoss at AE. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 19:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked proxies

I'm going to bed. Maybe a short semiprotection of the Help desk? Bishonen | tålk 23:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

We can, but that prevents actual help desk questions and they just move somewhere else. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request to restore Al-Ahli page to long-standing version during Admin protection

I saw you just now admin-protected the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion page as the edit-warring issue is being addressed, which I think is best.

However, I would like to request restoring the latest and long-standing version of the page before the latest edit-warring incident earlier today, which is backed by the majority of editors in the ongoing Talk discussion (although there's no firm consensus), and moreover includes the content that was on the page for over a year before certain editors decided to remove it and litigate it by appealing to non-existent consensus.

Thank you. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 00:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This falls under WP:WRONG VERSION. There are no BLP violations, and nothing that I see as pressing enough to pick a revision to protect. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, and thanks for the laugh, this is great. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Belated response

Since the case is closed, I'll reply here. You wrote

"This edit definitely does add claim language that is not found in the source. This edit adds claim language that is not found in the source. Is that enough to show a pattern?"

The answer is "yes, it shows a pattern of attributing certain categories of claim that absolutely must not be repeated as fact in wikivoice". The Israeli military makes claims every day, many of which turn out to be false. For example, the head of that research institute told the press that he had multiple bodies of decapitated babies when in fact there were none. Hamas does it too. All claims by warring parties against their enemies must be reported as attributed assertions. Not doing so would be highly destructive to article integrity. There's nothing wrong with calling them "claims" either. Zerotalk 03:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reached out to VR about this here, and that has much of my thoughts on it. Long story short is that there was simply too much in the report to handle at AE, and with ARBPIA5 in the wings it would be best to investigate it there. That includes determining if the dozens of diffs provided show a pattern of tendentiously misrepresenting what another editor is doing. Much as I said to VR, looking into that report fully would have involved source analysis, offering other sources to possibly demonstrate that the sources cited aren't following the mainstream reporting or analysis, how the MOS applies to the dozens of individual edits, and it's just beyond what AE is for.
Closing it as too complex, no action was also a possibility, but I don't think that is the best way to handle it when there are accusations in both directions in the report and about the content of the report. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are making a fundamental error. I'm preparing a little essay about. Zerotalk 11:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know when it's up. I'm interested to read it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ARBECR, Portal:Current events and Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

Are Portal:Current events and Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates within scope of ARBECR? If so, this static IP might benefit from a reminder judging from some of their contributions. Portal:Current events seems to be a possible WP:ARBECR enforcement blind spot. Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does apply there, and it definitely is a blind spot. A lot of the editors there aren't ARBPIA regulars and aren't really aware of ECR. I'll give them a warning. If you see it continuing, let me know. Thanks for the heads up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I see they were given a recent warning about a week ago so I've blocked for a week. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even notice the warning. Will try to figure out how to keep an eye on the portal. Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd add it to my watchlist, but at 5700 pages it's already not very effective for patrolling except in the broadest sense. I also don't want to just show up at ITN/C or the current events portal and start telling everyone to start enforcing ECR. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For the fact I constantly see you quickly blocking vandals, preventing spam, replying at ANI, the list goes on...

Thank you! CoconutOctopus talk 15:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate it, thanks! Just doing my part. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unhinged bullying from GhostofDanGurney

ScottishFinnishRaddish, can you take a look at the recent behaviour from GoDG, he clearly has an extreme vendetta against and is desperate to hound me off this page.

A few days back, another user disagreed with some content on the Khalistan movement, in which I added content from the page Canada-India diplomatic row- see [1] and [2]. The content was a signifcant diplomatic fallout as a result of India's alleged role in clandestine operations against Khalistan activists, and I thought that precluding such a consequential event from the page would constitute non neutral editing and make it appear that the page was skewed towards a pro-India bias.

Nyttend disagreed with this and removed the content from the page. As you can see, I made only one revert, which is well within reason, and when Nyttend posted on my t/p, I told him I would not revert any further and initiated a discussion on the t/p where I intended to go to 3O or DRN if we couldn't reach a consenus. I believe I handled the situation responsibly.

GhostofDanGurney, who has a long history of suppressing any critical information on the page Hardeep Singh Nijjar (see my diffs on the previous A/E case), saw this opportunity and rushed to try to hound me further. He made this hasty revert again where he did not properly research the subject at hand, falsely calling him a "low profile individual" and thus incorrectly invoking BLPCRIME and then left a rude, condescending message on my t/p to try to pile on me.

Now when it's clear that there is significant coverage on Dalla in general, thus not making him a low profile indiviudal and reports of his connection with Nijjar, he filed another A/E request, days after his last failed one as a desperate attempt to hound me off the platform.

I find it reprehensible that this bullying behaviour has carte-blanche on Wikipedia. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it not make more sense to take this to ANI rather than to try and ask one specific admin to look into it? Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just Step Sideways, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Southasianhistorian8 2. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is already at AE, so let's keep it there. Also, you may want to stay away from personal attacks like unhinged bullying. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please revoke TPA from Robinsinghkamboj

for legal threats here. JJPMaster (she/they) 03:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like they removed it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration motions regarding Palestine-Israel articles

In response to the referral to the Arbitration Committee of an enforcement request from the Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard, where you participated in the administrators' discussion, the Committee has resolved by motion that:

Motion 1: Appeals only to ArbCom

When imposing a contentious topic restriction under the Arab-Israeli conflict contentious topic, an uninvolved administrator may require that appeals be heard only by the Arbitration Committee. In such cases, the committee will hear appeals at ARCA according to the community review standard. A rough consensus of arbitrators will be required to overturn or amend the sanction.

Motion 2b: Word limits

Uninvolved administrators may impose word limits on all participants in a discussion, or on individual editors across all discussions, within the area of conflict. These word limits are designated as part of the standard set of restrictions within the Arab-Israeli conflict contentious topic. These restrictions must be logged and may be appealed in the same way as all contentious topic restrictions.

Motion 2c: Word limits

All participants in formal discussions (RfCs, RMs, etc) within the area of conflict are urged to keep their comments concise, and are limited to 1,000 words per discussion. This motion will sunset two years from the date of its passage.

Motion 5: PIA5 Case

Following a request at WP:ARCA, the Arbitration Committee directs its clerks to open a case to examine the interaction of specific editors in the WP:PIA topic area. Subject to amendment by the drafting arbitrators, the following rules will govern the case:

  • The case title will be Palestine-Israel articles 5.
  • The initial parties will be:
  • Aoidh will be the initial drafter
  • The case will progress at the usual time table, unless additional parties are added or the complexity of the case warrants additional time for drafting a proposed decision, in which case the drafters may choose to extend the timeline.
  • All case pages are to be semi-protected.
  • Private evidence will be accepted. Any case submissions involving non-public information, including off-site accounts, should be directed to the Arbitration Committee by email to Arbcom-en@wikimedia.org. Any links to the English Wikipedia submitted as part of private evidence will be aggregated and posted on the evidence page. Any private evidence that is used to support a proposal (a finding of fact or remedy) or is otherwise deemed relevant to the case will be provided to affected parties when possible (evidence of off-wiki harassment may not be shared). Affected parties will be given an opportunity to respond.
Addendum

In passing motion #5 to open a Palestine-Israel articles 5 case, the Committee has appointed three drafters: Aoidh, HJ Mitchell, and CaptainEek. The drafters have resolved that the case will open on November 30. The delay will allow the Committee time to resolve a related private matter, and allow for both outgoing and incoming Arbitrators to vote on the case. The drafters have changed the party list to the following individuals:

The drafters reserve the right to amend the list of parties if necessary. The drafters anticipate that the case will include a two week evidence phase, a one week workshop phase, and a two week proposed decision phase.

The related Arbitration enforcement referral: Nableezy et al request has been folded into this case. Evidence from the related private matter, as alluded to in the Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area case request, will be examined prior to the start of the case, and resolved separately.

For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Arbitration motions regarding Palestine-Israel articles

IP sock

Hi, it is regarding this person who was blocked for posting legal threats. Apparently, they are back as an IP [3] in this article. I'd like to request a temporary protection. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked. Let me know if they pop up with another IP and I'll use some protection. Thanks for the heads up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish

...to pull TPA. User_talk:Corene_Effertz --Seawolf35 T--C 05:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all set. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 05:58, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of arbitration enforcement appeal

Hello, I'm leaving this notification on your talk page as is required by the template when opening an enforcement appeal. Thank you. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Ecrusized Ecrusized (talk) 15:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple account abuse

Hello ScottishFinnishRadish! You recently blocked a vandal using an IP account, 71.215.20.179, for repeated vandalism of Barenaked Ladies demo tapes. That same vandal has multiple accounts & appears to doggedly vandalise the same things again & again over many years. Currently they are using No Wheat Is Allowed, DEH189, Esporta Fitness Is Prohibited, also IP editor 71.215.9.55 & probably more. They are obviously these previously banned vandals: TheresNoWayOut, Woldabe8, 92A, 71.215.219.113, & Front8912. They make a number of Subtle/Silly vandalism but seem most obsessed with changing the number in the title of the Barenaked Ladies song, "If I Had $1000000". Many of the accounts will have 9 edits to their Sandbox, an obvious attempt to game the Autoconfirmed status. I wonder if you could please block those mentioned accounts as vandals/block evasion? I just don't understand someone putting so much effort into vandalism, with that much effort they could make actual useful edits. Thank-you for your time! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 16:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I only saw one account in the list unblocked, so I took care of that. The unblocked ips are stale so I didn't bother with them. I also protected the demo tapes article for a few months. Thanks for the heads up and let me know if you see any more disruption. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello ScottishFinnishRadish! Thank-you so much for the very swift action! Also thanks to Pickersgill-Cunliffe who appears to have swatted the other accounts I mentioned in the list, the reason they were blocked when you got to them. Both of you acted really quickly. Thanks for your time & help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 17:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to help, that's why they pay us the big bucks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You guys are getting paid? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My bank account is full of Wikipedia thanks, barnstars, and good vibes. Unrelated, but can anyone spare some scratch for my mortgage? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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cand q

Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:

What does this 2024 DYK tell you about infoboxes for classical composers in 2024? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those articles don't, in and of themselves, tell me a lot about infoboxes, other than that most of them have infoboxes. Quick power ranking on their hair, though.
  1. Franz Schreker - Off center widows peak over male-pattern baldness. Wild wings on the sides. Combined with the expression he really communicates "intense Austrian composer"
  2. Alexander von Zemlinsky - always maximum respect for a pompadour
  3. Arnold Schoenberg - I'll always believe that Picard was the best captain, and this haircut communicates that. Middle of the road though, as the default bald guy cut
  4. Gustav Mahler - trying to pull off the "genius that doesn't care about his hair" look, but Schreker did it much better
  5. Erich Wolfgang Korngold - looks like he's going to a job interview at a bank
ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment

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95.91.249.178 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Hi. Maybe the wrong place but this may be the quickest. this user is multiple IP abuser.uses "bann".here same with blocked ip. Beshogur (talk) 16:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it's actually RumyantsevPolkovodets. I've blocked for a month for block evasion. Thanks for the heads up, and let me know if you see them pop up again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best Wishes

Hi ScottishFinnishRadish, I noticed that you are running for Arbcom elections. I want to wish you good luck for it. I have just voted for you :) Maliner (talk) 18:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaza Genocide

I believe you protected Talk on Gaza Genocide. I have insufficient editing experience to qualify for the proper status to post on Talk for this page. I was wondering how it is possible to communicate the simplest information. Specifically, a reference to the link of UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese's latest report Genocide as Colonial Erasure from October 2024 is missing. This is the link:

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/

The reference number should be placed before number 240. I hope you or someone else will add it.

Is there any way I can post a topic on Talk to add information for someone else to consider and edit? I understand the importance of restricting access to controversial topics. I am only starting to edit again, after a 7 year absence, and I never edited much to begin with. I would like to improve accuracy of topics with minor additions. Davids0011 (talk) 11:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can request that edit at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Edit where patrollers will check it and either action it, move it to the talk page for further discussion, or decline it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Davids0011 (talk) 12:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I'm going to place a couple messages on your talk page that explain some of the peculiarities of the ARBPIA topic area. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Report

Hey,

Take a look on that user please.

IdanST (talk) 15:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is an IP that made a series of edits over 13 minutes two weeks ago, and was blocked. At this point there's nothing else to do. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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