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Follow on last Nov. Ref. Desk discussion

In reference to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 147#Ref. desk protection, I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the current discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Indefinitely protecting the refdesk. --RDBury (talk) 09:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Partial government shutdown explanation

Your common-sense explanation of the "partial government shutdown" on the Humanities RefDesk is concise and helpful. May I please copy it to post outside of WP?--Thomprod (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you give credit, sure! --Jayron32 14:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks!--Thomprod (talk) 15:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your Teahouse response

I'm way behind. Here you gave an interesting explanation about being autoconfirmed, although you said the person had to edit 4 articles before they could be autoconfirmed. You actually meant 10 since it's 4 days and 10 edits, but in fact it could be ten edits to the same page. And that wouldn't even have to be an article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Several really good explanations in that archive.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. I'm not sure why you're digging up a mistake I made over 3 months ago in the Teahouse, but I humbly apologize for my catastrophic mistake in judgement, and I hope that the damage I did in writing the wrong word 3 months ago will not cause undo destruction to Wikipedia. --Jayron32 13:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

indefinite protection of talk:tropical year

It seems to me rather strange that you protected a talk page indefinitely. I can see that there was a long track record of disruptive editing that merited a lot longer than the usual weeks or even months. I can see a case to protect a main space article indefinitely though it ought to be a really exceptional case for a high profile biography of a living person. Setting a time limit forces a review, even if it has to be because of renewed disruptive editing. Hard cases make bad law. In the case of tropical year and talk:tropical year, it looks like an anon editor is trying to make a good faith edit and the discussion about the change is happening in the edit summaries instead of the talk page. Would you unblock please? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:26, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see that there is a wider discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Inability to use talk page at "Tropical year" so you may wish to see that resolved first. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, you probably don't have to read the whole ANI thread. I'm pretty sure you misread the protection log (or whatever) as you said when protecting the sock came back within minutes. It was actually over a year later, protection expired on 13:19, 31 January 2017 and you protected on 15:59, 31 January 2018 [1] so may be better to just unprotect. If you think this case has probably drawn their attention and decline to unprotect at the moment because of that, then maybe explain that at ANI. Nil Einne (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, the prior 1 year protection started in January, 2017, and ended a few minutes before VXFC edited in January 2018. That pattern (waiting on a protection to expire, then immediately starting to disrupt the page again) is standard VXFC behavior. I fully expect VXFC to start editing that talk page again. However, I have unprotected the page, per your request. Via con dios. --Jayron32 12:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Carrie Lam

Yet most of the content is already covered at Carrie Lam as Chief Executive of Hong Kong. It is not necessary to have the exact same information on two different articles. Doesn’t matter if it’s “repeated elsewhere in the article”, if another article already covers it, there should only be a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article. Hayman30 (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but you didn't leave a summary and a hatnote. You wholesale removed the entirety of it. If you just tightened up the language, or left a summary and a hatnote behind, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. So, go do that if you want to. Shorten the summaries, leave the hatnotes, etc. But you removed entire chunks of relevant text with no further reading or summary left behind for others. --Jayron32 15:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean I didn’t leave a summary? I literally said that the content is repetitive. If I had to be as specific as saying that it’s repeating content from another article, I apologize. And there is already a hatnote in the section, and I did left a short summary. Apparently you saw me removing a great deal of content and you exercised poor judgment by not looking into the matter first and hastily undid my edit. I won’t be touching he article now and I’ll just let the people who’s been working on the article handle it. Will be leaving a message on the article talk page. Hayman30 (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't follow. Here you removed all of the short summaries and hatnotes for a good half dozen sections. You didn't leave behind, as you say "a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article." You quite literally did the opposite; you removed all of the summaries, hatnotes, and everything else. For someone calling someone else "hasty", you put very little effort into complying with the very guidance you just told me to do; you simply blanked out a half dozen sections of the article, and left no summaries or pointers behind to the content you called repetitive. --Jayron32 16:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my word can please examine closely. All those sections were supposed to be placed under “Chief Executive” and I left that section behind along with the hatnote. That section was all the primary article needed as somebody literally just copy-pasted content from/to the secondary article (compare Carrie Lam#Disqualifications of localists and Carrie Lam as Chief Executive of Hong Kong#Localist candidates' disqualification). It was you who put absolutely no effort looking into my edit and assumed bad faith because of the amount of content I removed. And can you not assume that you’re always right for literally one second? Shit happens, take it. Hayman30 (talk) 16:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I always assume I'm always wrong, so I'm one step ahead of you there. --Jayron32 18:41, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note

How does an actual "new" user know to go to a specific user and proclaim that they're a new user?[2] The user's approach reminds me a little bit of the banned Bowei Huang or whoever the name was, but it could just be a brief shot. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Your unilateral move of Ashmont–Mattapan High Speed Line to Mattapan Trolley

This is a bush move. Don't do this. Nobody gives a rat's ass about what the official name is. What matters is what people call it. See WP:COMMONNAME. Also see the two recent discussion on the talk page where it was decided not to move the article. Either you are aware of these, in which case you know perfectly well that the move was way out of line, or else you're not aware of them, in which case you shouldn't be moving articles. Herostratus (talk) 14:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the problem. As a side note, if you had not have been an asshole in the tone you took with me, I still would have done so. You can be polite and still get things done. --Jayron32 15:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry. Herostratus (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ping

Hi - I tried to ping you from the "Meaning of life" paragraph at the Teahouse. I think you ping someone if you responded to their comment or edit. I didn't realize you were an administrator so I'm sorry for taking your time on my learning experiment. Eschoryii (talk) 06:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. --Jayron32 13:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

US 311

NCDOT made it official last month, US 311 is no more south of Winston-Salem. I figured you would want to make the edits to U.S. Route 311 since you have made recent changes to it first. --WashuOtaku (talk) 02:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They had received permission to do so from AASHTO. Do we have sources showing they are taking down the signs? If so, we can start fixing the article based on the sources. --Jayron32 14:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:In the news

You broke the 'hidden' stuff here, and the words "readd if Lagerfeld is promoted to blurb" were displayed on the main page. I've attempted a fix but you might want to take another look in case I've misinterpreted what you were trying to do... GiantSnowman 15:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think I just fixed it. --Jayron32 15:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FAC: Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies

Hi hii. Would you care to review or offer comments to this nomination? Apart from one substantial review, it has been relatively stale so far. Dan56 (talk) 14:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion notice - Wikipedia talk:Adding open license text to Wikipedia#Requested move 25 February 2019

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2019

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref desk

If that user persists in asking about his favorite subject, vasectomy and its variations, do you recommend just hatting it right away, to be done with it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recommended things, but that's what I plan to do myself.--Jayron32 02:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rogereeny. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

not trolling

OK. I think we're done here. This has moved into "not useful" land. --Jayron32 16:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Hello friend from the USA It's Ahab You did a bad move shutting down the discussion on Harriet Owen/Sophie B. Hawkins I am asking where sources are that show that they are different people and instead you guys are being unhelpful, thinking i'm doing something else. You had better have a good reason without links to long-winded policies for shutting down that discussion. thanks. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Look, we aren't here to disprove every insane thing you say just because you demand that we do. You can't say "Here's two random people. Prove to me they aren't the same person" and then argue with everyone who does actually show that they are, in fact, different people. Your combative nature and your insane debates over these sorts of things have worn the patience of the community thin, and if you can't stop, you can take your craziness elsewhere. I don't care what word you describe your behavior, it is problematic and you will stop it. That discussion has ended, and will not be restarted. Please do not start similar ones in the future. Vaya con dios. --Jayron32 13:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you stop calling me names like insane dear friend. It only reinforces my feelings towards you guys in the red white and blue country. Also since you're an admin, I invite you to read why it is that I will not take orders from an American like that, "you will stop it" as opposed to the request "please sto pit". I have no problem discussing things wit hyou, and I have no problems taking suggestions from you or any other users, but you will not give me orders. I can't take orders from Americans because you guys continue to attack my country of origin, and you guys support the Saudis, who have destroyed the area I live in. As for the discussions themselves, Im' being combative because everybody links me to long long policy pages. I can't just skim through them like you sighted people can. What I have to do is use my creen-reader called JAWS to listen to the whole page in hopes of finding somethign that relates to what's going on. Try listening to a monotonous voie read out pollicies, and it's as interesting as watching paint dry.

So yes, I will take suggestions from you, I will have discussions from you, but I will never take orders from any American until the USA stops attacking Yemen and the Aden area, that I called home for the first part of my life. The bad people are gone, please, leave Yemen alone. That is why I cannot take any orders form Americans. here's something to remember, أنا صديقك وليس المرؤوس الخاص بك 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

it means i am your friend, not your subbordinates. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I never called you any names. I said your discussions were insane. I have no idea who you are, nor do I care. It is your behavior, not your person, that I am concerned with. Your behavior has been problematic, and you should change your behavior. Also, your rampant xenophobia is noted, and will be remembered. Also, I never said you were my subordinate. I am not ordering you to do anything. I am informing you of the consequences of your future actions. You do what you want, I am just letting you know what others (including, possibly myself) will do if you continue as you have. Good day. --Jayron32 13:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


I am willing to engage, but not to take orders from you guys from USA. Taking orders from Americans just goes against everything that I am and against my universal protest against attacks on where my original home was. It was the Americans that destroyed my home, I had to move to the UK for years then come to Canada for a better job. The life I had is gone, and it is thanks to the United States. That is why I wll take suggestions, I will discuss with, and I will even be friends with, I will seek advice from, and debate with Americans, but I will never ever ever take direct orders from any American, administrator or not, until the United States stops going after Yemen. A couple bad apples does not warrent the destruction of my home town. I hope you understand that, you're a good person so I know you do. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You keep calling me an American. Where do you get that from? --Jayron32 13:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You live in NH and NC, two U.S> states. and no I don't mean it in a bad way. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You live in NB, a Canadian province. Or at least, you're connecting to the Internet through one. --Jayron32 14:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I have requested a block of this user, on the grounds of incompetence and racism. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bugs, back down man. --Jayron32 14:02, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He deleted a post of mine on the ref desk. I could add that to the complaint list, unless it falls under the "incompetence" umbrella. Speaking of which, aren't the troubles in Yemen primarily due to warring Middle East factions? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn, for now. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This may help explain why I don't take orders from Americans baseball bugs. Let's say an arsonist comes around and burns your house down. You ended up finding out the arsonist is Mr. Jones. Then a time later mr. Jones comes and starts bossing you around. are you going to let Mr. Jones order you around? no! Mr. Jones goes to jail and comes out a changed man, wiling to discuss things and what not. But then he comes and starts ordering you around again. Are you going to follow his orders, knowing that he burned down your house? I wouldn't. I hope that helps. Also cut the racism and xenophobia crap, if somebody came and destroyed your home you'd dislike them too. and I said I'd engage with Americans I just won't take orders from them. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No one on Wikipedia destroyed your home. To lump everyone together has a lot of names: scapegoating, xenophobia, ethnocentrism, racism, religionism, etc. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I think we've had enough here.--Jayron32 16:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)}}[reply]

apparently I'm a troll now?

Hello Take a look at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment where some guy with a long number username tries to do this big huge exposé on me. He links some IP addresses with similar numbers to the one I use, and tha thave some similarities to me (one's blind the 23 one that I'm wondering if he messed u pwith that one), but hasn't explained how I match this troll to a T. By the looks of things, the troll is anti-American while I just ask that they not essentially boss me around due to the war in yemen. As for the blind guy at the 23 IP address this perosn mentions, he's Eritrean, and I have no idea where the 199 addresses are from. We geolocate to the same general area, maybe there's a wiki troll in the area I am in, i don't know. I can see we both are bad typists too (not insulting anyone) Can you please weigh in on my talk page and help me move the discussion there rather than on the ref desk? thanks 199.101.61.34 (talk) 01:38, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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