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Help decide the future of Wikimania

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Cryonics

Regarding the use of primary sources, I think you are misunderstanding what these mean in the context of Wikipedia. I suggest you refer to the guidelines on Wikipedia sources. Best wishes, Tiddlypeep (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do know about advertising materials, and when the primary sources are to be distrusted on principle. You are literally putting up publicity materials from cryonics organisations, and that's two editors who have removed your attempts to do so so far - David Gerard (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a cryonics organization. It's a research network, non-profit. It showcases that cryonics has some scientific acceptance, which is why it is relevant. Tiddlypeep (talk) 23:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is a cryonics advocacy group, per its name. I've noted it on WP:FTN, in the quest for more eyeballs on the situation - David Gerard (talk) 23:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You noted it with your own personal biases (calling it "advertising material"), but I could be mistaken about its use, so happy to seek out another opinion. Tiddlypeep (talk) 23:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have mentioned this issue in the article talk page following advice on WP:FTN. I look forward to further discussions. Tiddlypeep (talk) 11:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question for regarding Natural News article

Hi are you an admin here? On the Natural News article my opinion is that the story about Adams being investigated for potential calls for violence against Monsanto is more relevant in the opening section than the story about sockpuppets, what's your take on that?--206.255.37.145 (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on third-party coverage really. Might look and opine later - David Gerard (talk) 19:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Transhumanist politics dispute resolution

Hello! I have made a dispute resolution request for the dispute about sources on the transhumanist politics page "too close to the subject". I hope that we can get this problem resolved! --Haptic Feedback (talk) 19:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth round of statements are now up. Discussing the IEET sources. Please respond in 48 hrs if you won't be responding to this section. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 03:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the open letter not a RS? In particular since it's a source in cryonics? Tiddlypeep (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rolf Nelson already detailed the non-notability of the Open Letter on Cryonics at Talk:Cryonics#Cryonics_organizations, responding directly to you - David Gerard (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Shlivovitz listed at Redirects for discussion

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Skyring and Head of State dispute

If you have time, could you help me understand a complex decision made in 2005 and what sort of decision or precedent it sets? Talk:Australian_head_of_state_dispute#AfD_continued_and_ArbCom. Thanks in advance. Travelmite (talk) 19:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Um, nothing. Arbcom didn't do indefinite rulings at that time at all, we limited stuff to one year - David Gerard (talk) 22:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request to restore deleted page - Betty X

Betty X is an influential female musician, conceptual artist, and songwriter that first made her impact in Seattle during the 1990's. She has been described by Seattle publications as a "Dangerously sexy blend of poisonous and volatile apocalyptic-metal with sarcastic aggro female vocals." Betty X has become one of the most recognized names in conceptual art, post-apocalyptic rock - not just in Seattle, but in Austin and Los Angeles, as well. She continues to be a powerful influence for female singers/songwriters/artists/musicians and participates on many panel discussions and appearances along with Patti Quatro and others, in addition to her live performances and collaborations with such bands as Ministry and Pigface.

Betty X is currently gearing up to release her fifth solo album, which is being co-produced by the legendary Al Jourgensen of Ministry fame, confirming her presence as a current and relevant musician. This article supports the claim that Betty X has played with Ministry, [1], and removes any question of the claim's validity.

This article [2], as well as this book excerpt, [3], confirm and validate her work with Martin Atkins and Pigface: Tour Smart.

From her first band, Salon Betty, which performed with Alice In Chains and other influential Seattle bands, to being featured on the new Surgical Meth Machine (Al Jourgensen's new project) to be released April 15th on Nuclear Blast records, Betty X continues to be relevant in the music industry.

Betty X is affiliated with Salon Betty, Satan in High Heels, Ministry, Pigface, Sheep on Drugs, and Surgical Meth Machine. She has current websites and fan pages including [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. It would be a detriment to the history of female artists and musicians, as well as the history of post-apocalyptic rock, music in Seattle, etc.

With all due respect, I am requesting that this page, which has been active for over 10 years, be fully restored. Any claims that were deemed to be without validation will be updated, as well as any other pertinent information. Not only does the removal of this page have an impact on booking agents, etc., to research Betty X, but it also hinders the education of younger generation conceptual artists, musicians, singers, and songwriters.Terivangogo (talk) 20:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.ontourmonthly.com/ministry-spreads-the-word-at-the-bomb-factory-in-dallas/
  2. ^ http://www.xmag.com/archives/13-09-mar06/feature4.html
  3. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=le5Sr5YCyk4C&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130&dq=%22Betty+X%22+%2B+Pigface&source=bl&ots=BRPDTk1w8T&sig=EyYGbKYns_lyApJYIvZJ-0pCsDk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7g8PLhfjKAhWCeSYKHWQQDE04ChDoAQglMAI#v=onepage&q=%22Betty%20X%22%20%2B%20Pigface&f=false
  4. ^ https://bettyx.bandcamp.com/
  5. ^ https://www.facebook.com/BettyXOfficial/?pnref=lhc
  6. ^ https://twitter.com/bettyxofficial
  7. ^ https://www.reverbnation.com/bettyx
  8. ^ https://myspace.com/bettyx
FYI DG this thread Wikipedia:Help desk#Deleted.2Fremoved article - Betty X has already answered this persons questions. I have directed the to WP:DRV as well. Cheers and enjoy your week. MarnetteD|Talk 21:07, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]


The thing that really struck me was not just that I couldn't find "reliable" sources (ones passing WP:RS), I couldn't even find unreliable sources. No fan sites, no discussions of this purported influence. I can find better for almost anyone with five albums that weren't self-released. Her records aren't even on discogs, and I can routinely find the most obscure self-releases there if they were ever in physical form. I mean, that's amazing for someone of the level of influence and fame claimed by the original article and your writeup here. If she's "influential", there's literally no verifiable evidence of it - David Gerard (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-neo-Nazi activism has been nominated for discussion

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ANI

Hello DG. A thread has been opened here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#user:David Gerard. I though I better inform you about it since the OP hasn't. I hope that you enjoy the rest of your week in spite of this. MarnetteD|Talk 06:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Compromised account?

I mentioned you on that administrators noticeboard/i thingy. BrxBrx (talk) 07:13, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Ron Newman

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Ethereum

Please don't mess with the Ethereum page. Thanks! Legionof7 (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This contains a strange implicit accusation. Do you have any particular diff of editing you consider "messing with" it? I must note that with the recent pump'n'dump of Ethereum, the Ethereum article will need the closest of disinterested editorial monitoring - David Gerard (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? You have been obviously making useless edits to that page. Legionof7 (talk) 04:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't. Legionof7 (talk) 14:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Citizencard

Hi. Back in February, you removed a CSD tag from a redirect for the name CitizenCard, which points the reader to Proof of Age Standards Scheme, of which Citizencard is an example. However, the draft has been developed to the point where there appear to be enough independent sources to warrant a stand-alone article. Do you have still have an objection to deleting the redirect so that the draft can be moved to the mainspace? Onel5969 TT me 13:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a good enough standalone article, go for it - David Gerard (talk) 18:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Information-theoretic death

Please go to the talk page of the article to explain why you keep reverting my edits.

WP:OR, cites not supporting claims - David Gerard (talk) 07:42, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did not list any original research, just like the conclusion that "50 + 39 = 89" is not original research despite not having a source for it. I provided a source for the claim that all information is conserved; if you accept the brain is a physical entity and not some magical entity then all the information follows pretty easily.
So I think you are lying about the original research thing, and using it as a way to keep views you don't like off the page.
That's probably not a good start to getting information into Wikipedia. In any case, your conclusion more closely resembles "2 + 2 = 22" - David Gerard (talk) 10:02, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, my conclusion doesn't require any leaps of logic, it follows DIRECTLY from the sourced fact that information is preserved. Many other people have attempted to put on the page the same thing as me, unfortunately your vandalism has locked the page up. You should consider whether vandalising Wikipedia is a good use of your time. This discussion should be continued on the page's talk page.
It's only a blog post, not an RS, but this post from a physicist, following up another physicist, gives a rough outline of just what a high burden of proof the claim of quantum computation in the brain faces - David Gerard (talk) 17:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Note

Hello David,

I would very much appreciate if you would block someone who has been harassing me. I have tried to reason with him, but he has not responded in a favorable or mature manner. They do not even have a real name! They are: User talk:32.218.152.93. Please help me. Thank you sir! Splendidworld12 (talk) 23:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a word with Splendidworld12 about the need to accept criticism from other users, including IPs. ~!Acroterion (talk)

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AfD Request for Comment

Hey there. I heard from a friend of a friend that you might be interested in weighing in on [[1]]? It's been a bit of a weird discussion, the deletion attempt may have been made in bad faith, and the thread's gotten chaotic. I heard you'd seen the page and thought it was a keep, so I'm wondering if you wanted to comment? Plankhead (talk) 00:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's an obvious keep and I'd speedy it myself if the friend of a friend hadn't asked me directly to opine on it. The actual evidence it was a bad faith nom for the specific purpose of trolling will do the nominator's reputation no good, assuming they care - David Gerard (talk) 07:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:RationalWiki

I've just username blocked User:RationalWiki , thought I'd let you know in case you want to advise them - or if it really is someone representing RationalWiki. It's a routine username block and the editor can easily get a new name. The fact that there 2nd edit was to take something to AfD is interesting but that is a seriously bad article. Doug Weller talk 11:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

cheers :-) Not anyone I know of and certainly not an official account - David Gerard (talk) 12:03, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm guessing they're the new account which added a PROD to the article at AfD. Doug Weller talk 15:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 2016

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The above is from someone edit-warring to restore a BLP violation - David Gerard (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, David Gerard. Your massive removal of consensus content from a stable article was disruptive. My two reverts were not edit warring. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 16:44, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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AE_LIVE

I dunno why the AE_LIVE article is any less notable than any other band's live releases, particularly one of this scale. I mean, this has much information as Kraftwerk's Minimum Maximum album page but that is still about. I'm not saying i'm right, i'm just saying this bloke wasn't correct in his statement of lack of notability. Drneroli (talk) 20:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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about ifsloc in

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.413.4352&rep=rep1&type=pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yzyzyz1979 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

about if SLOC including comment lines

please talk with me ! please！ please！


It 'is a disputed, I dont think it edit-war. please！ please talk with me !

please see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.413.4352&rep=rep1&type=pdf

see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Source_lines_of_code&oldid=672185307

see http://www.projectcodemeter.com/cost_estimation/help/GL_sloc.htm

see Emacs SLOC, is including comment lines!

see https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOC they count lines, too including comment lines.


please write，help ， please two points double appear on web. my english poor. no back , no The dictatorship； to Coexistence！ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yzyzyz1979 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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