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NB. This page is only covering the Southern sections of IFA-IAF, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_International .I have added a note on this (Anna Quist (talk) 05:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks for that Anna. What do you mean by Southern exactly? Southern Europe? Southern Hemisphere? Skomorokh 06:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Southern IFA-federations are the ones mentioned in the article. The divide between the Northern and Southern sections of IFA-IAF is historical, and there is a conflict between these sections, see [1] and several issues of International Journal of Anarchism. (Anna Quist (talk) 10:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Note on the IFA-IAF-Wiki-page

I have added a small note on the IFA-IAF-Wiki-page about the existence of the Northern sections. It is based on reliable third party sources from the Southern IFA-IAF-federations, and should thus not be deleted. The note is also at my talk page. If anybody should propose changes, it should be discussed here, before any change. I can quote the most relevant texts confirming the affiliation of the Northern sections to IFA-IAF from these sources, if it is requested. To remove my note is history falsification. Wikipedia should not be involved in history falsification. (Anna Quist (talk) 09:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

While I can agree that Wikipedia should not be involved in history falsification, you should be aware of a couple of things. First, Wikipedia cares more about verification than truth, so, if you are more worried about the "truth", you may want to avoid Wikipedia. Someone may come along, and change or remove material you add, cite relevant Wikipedia policy, and make you angry. Murderbike (talk) 01:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The sources from the organs of the Southern IFA-IAF federations are independent verifiable third party sources, independent of the Northen sections of IFA_IAF and AI, official homepage http://www.anarchy.no . If IFA-IAF-Wiki-pag page is changed, I will just repost it, because the page, with my note, is 100% according to the principle of verification at Wikipedia. (Anna Quist (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Well, the joke has gone too far already. The AIF-IFA website has a link on its main page to a document where they dennounce all information on anarchy.no to be untrustworthy [2]. The main page makes specific mention of wikipedia entries. In other words, it's easily verifiable that the official site of the federation has a prominent warning rejecting this organization. --Enric Naval (talk) 13:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This so called "anorg-warning" at the un-official IFA-IAF page of the Southern IFA-IAF-federations is totally false, see http://www.anarchy.no/anorgwarning.html. (Anna Quist (talk) 14:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

RfC: Is anarchy.no a reliable source for IAF?

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Is anarchy.no a reliable source for IAF?

I certainly is, see my talk page (Anna Quist (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Quotes from the Southern IFA-IAF's own journals, confirming the Northern Sections of IFA-IAF

Here are the relevant quotes in the Southern IFA-IAF's own journals, confirming the Northern Sections of IFA-IAF:

The Northern section(s) of IFA was founded at the first Nordic anarchist congress in Oslo, 15-18 October 1982. The Bulletin C.R.I.F.A no 42 novembre-février 1982 declared :

(There were a Spanish (p. 4) and an English (p. 5) report in this issue of the Bulletin C.R.I.F.A, but the Spanish version seems to be the most correct of the two, compared to the Swedish and Norwegian reports printed in Folkebladet, and other material. Thus we will quote the Spanish version here. Where the English version is more precise, this is noted in [...] brackets):

EL PRIMER CONGRESO ANARQUISTA NÓRDICO

El primer congreso anarquista nordico se ha celebrado del 15 al 17 de octubre del [19]82 en Oslo (Folkets Hus, Youngstorget). Ha estado organizado por la ANORG/IFA (Federación anarquista noruega afiliada a la IFA). Este congreso se ha celebrado según el deseo de Umberto Marzocchi, secretario de la [IFA/]CRIFA, siendo expressado en una carta el 12 de mayo del [19]82 a la ANORG. Estaban presentes los delegados de varios paises nórdicos así que los observadores de la SAC (Sveriges Arbetares Centralorganisation) ... y un representante de la Federación anarquista francesa [a delegate from the French Anarchist Federation (FAF/IFA), was also present].

El principal tema de este congreso ha sido la cooperación anarquista nórdica. El acuerdo se ha hecho sobre la aceptación de una cooperación muy ampllia. La cooperación ideológica [political] económica y cultural ha sido enfocada sobre los ountos siguientes: la acción de los anarquistas en los sindicatos, el movimiento colectivista, cooperativista, el movimiento ecologista, feminista, el apoyo a los jovenes... [politic solidarity work (for instance the Anarchist Black Cross)] y a los movimientos que luchan contra el alcoholismo y la droga. Ha sido abordado tambien todo el trabajo a efectuar concerniendo la documentación y el análisis... La meta a alcanzar es la adhesión de los anarquistas a una sección nórdica de la IFA a través de sus propios Federaciones nacionales. A este fin el congreso unánime decide la puesta en marcha de un secretariado nórdico de la IFA. Por el momento ese papel será tenido por el secretarioado administrativo [the expeditionary group] de la ANORG.... Los anarquistas que quieran adherir a la IFA podrán hacerio teniendo como intermediario el secretariado nórdico de la IFA. Estos anarquistas se encontrarán en la misma situación con respecto a la IFA que los miembros de la ANORG (decidiones, cotisaciones, etc.)

El secretariado nórdico publicará ocho bolitinos al año que serán adjuntos a Folkebladet ... o sea al boletin interior, o bién según el caso, un sepacio será reservado en sus publicaciones para las informaciones procedentes del secretariodo...

El secretariado nórdico a través del boletin deberá contribuir a organizar actividas comunes, entre otras, congresos, conferencieas, tribunas anarquistas, simposios, seminarios, encuentros estivales y actividades culturales... El secretariado deberá encargase de la coordinación de las actividades [direct actions of different kinds] nórdicas. ____ El primer número del "Boletin Nórdico" editado por el congreso, ha sido publicado en suplement del número 4 de Folkebladet (año 1982). Su título es "IFA-Solidaritet" (órgano de las secciones nórdicas de la IFA).

(The reports were signed by the COMMISION DE REDACTION DU BULLETIN CRIFA. Editors note)

The Northern sections of IFA-IAF's, and the Nordic IFA-IAF-secretariate's affiliation the IFA-IAF is also confirmed in:

Congrès anarchiste nordique et camp d'été 83 The second congress , Le Monde Libertaire, no 509 1983 p 9, French

Folkebladet , The creation of IIFOR in Norway , Le Monde Libertaire, no 591 1985 p 9, French

Sacchetti ed. , The second Nordic anarchist congress , Bulletin CRIFA, no 46 1983

The relevant quotes, confirming the Northern sections affiliation to IFA-IAF is:

1. From Le Monde Libertaire p 9 no 509: "Le second congrès anarchiste nordique s'est déroulé du 10 au 16 juillet 1983 à Oslo... Cette rencontre organisée conjointement par 'A.N.O.R.G., l'I.F.A. et le secrétariat de l'I.F.A. nordique... Après un résumé, la résolution suivante fut approuvée à l'unanimité: "Les sections nordiques de l'I.F.A. adoptent comme projets: * Les résolutions du 1er Congrès anarchiste nordique, qui, sont bâtis sur les principes de l'I.F.A., et les rèsolutions contenues dans le présent rapport du IIe Congrès nordique...".

2. From Le Monde Libertaire no 591 1985 p 9: " L'I.F.O.R. (institut de recherche sur le mouvement anarchiste) a été créé comme la résultante d'une décision unanime de la N.I.F.A (secrétariat nordique de l'I.F.A.) et de la Fédération anarchiste universitaire le 15 août 1985 à Oslo. L'origine de ce projet s'inspire des principes de l'Internationale des fédérations anarchistes et du manifeste de l'A.N.O.R.G... Ce nouvel institut se situe dans la lignée du travail sur le "projet de recherches économique et sociale" mené par un groupe de l'A.N.O.R.G. (fédération anarchiste nordique)*... L'I.F.O.R. effectue également des recherches dans les secteurs de la documentation, de l'information et de l'éducation. L'institut publie un "Bulletin international de recherche sur l'organisation" et le "Séminaire d'économie politique" organise des cours d'étude à l'université et dans les grandes écoles, en collaboration étroite avec d'autres secteurs de l'A.N.O.R.G., tel le N.I.F.A., "Folkebladet" (journal de l'A.N.O.R.G.), les éditions de l'A.N.O.R.G..." *) The Northern Anarchist Confederation, NAC.

3. From Bulletin CRIFA no 46 1983 pp 9-12: The second Nordic Anarchist Congress. The second nordic anarchist congres took place on July 10th-16th, 1983. The organizer was the ANORG/IFA, associated with the International of the Federations of Anarchists and the NIFA, the Nordic IFA-secretariat... After summing up the following was unanimously approved of: The nordic sections of the IFA take as their program of further efforts: a) the resolutions from the 1st nordic anarchist congress, which in their turn are build on the principles of the IFA and the programm and decision of ANORG/IFA: b) the reported resolutions from the 2nd nordic congress. The report was read aloud and approved of on Saturday july 16th 1983.

The affiliation of the Northern sections/federations to IFA-IAF is also confirmed in a circular sent to the Northern sections: Circ. no 14, 18.12.1985, To all sections of IFA - About the IV congress - France, November 1986, from CRIFA/Sacchetti (in Italian). More information about the Northern Anarchist Confederation, NAC, Anarkistenes organisasjon i Norden, ANORG, is published on http://www.anarchy.no/anorg.html . From the most reliable source: The history of IFA-IAF etc http://www.anarchy.no/ifadok.html. There are more relibale sources... (Anna Quist (talk) 14:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]