Talk:Tegucigalpa

Pronounciation

Could someone please add pronounciation info for the word "Tegucigalpa"? Ideally, this information should be connected with the word origin data that's already in the first paragraph. --LostLeviathan 00:06, 22 April 2005 (UTC)

I know how to pronounce it but wouldn't begin to know how to explain that. it is affectionately called the goose by some English speakers as teh goose is how you pronounce the first part. --SqueakBox 00:22, 22 April 2005 (UTC)

From a honduran in tegucigalpa

It's teh (the e as in bed) goose cee gal pa

most people just call it tegus (teh goose) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.240.200.116 (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

__ IPA: [tegusiˈgalpa] __. Anyone see anything wrong in that? –Hajor 23:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks good, SqueakBox 23:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ta. I'll put it in the article, get laughed at later, then. Btw, your recently deceased president: is he José Azcona del Hoyo or just plain José Azcona Hoyo? Our article is at the former, but you see both forms knocking about. And, in the obits I've seen, the the one without the del seems to predominate. Any ideas? –Hajor 00:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

The pronunciation has been recently changed from (Spanish pronunciation: [teɣusiˈɣalpa]) to (Spanish pronunciation: [teɣuθiˈɣalpa]). The new pronunciation reflects a northern Spain dialect, rather than a Latin American (including Honduran) pronunciation, so I'm reverting it. Pfhreak (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Tegus or Tegús

I'm in Tegucigalpa right now. My Lonely Planet guidebook says its nickname in Spanish is "Tegús", but via Google I can only find the unaccented spelling "Tegus". Which is correct, and in any case, on which syllable is the stress? — Hippietrail 00:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You can pronounce it either way. Skanking 20:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying I can both spell and pronounce it both ways (te-GOOSe and TE-goose)? — Hippietrail 01:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The abbreviation is pronounced TE-goose, I'm from tegucigalpa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunsetterxxx (talk • contribs) 13:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Bilingual schools

Do others think the "Bilingual schools" is useful and apropriate to have in the article? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 23:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Not especially, and certainly not reflective of the city, SqueakBox 00:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

To any foreigner who is going to move to the city, it is useful to know what billingual schools there are. But, I doubt there are going to be alot of people going to move to Tegucigalpa. So I don't think it is needed; it's extra.Valdez007 00:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

took out Hamilton school from the list of important bilingual schools.

this school has not a very good reputation, that's known by everybody including who added it to the list so I had to take it out, sorry, I don't know if what I did is right without showing reliable proof it is not but I am a local and had to take it out. (Sunsetterxxx (talk) 20:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC))

Wikipedia is not the place make personal assesments. Original Research is against Wikipedia policy . The whole section labeled "important" bilingual schools will be re-labeled, any school which exists can be added. Please seee wp:No_original_research to read about this policy part of the five pillars. Wikihonduras (talk) 01:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Photos

The first photo in the article depicting the city at dusk is a bit of a joke... It depicts a Pizza Hut, a McDonald's and a Burger King within 200m =/

I'm not quite sure it sends the right message about Teguz, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.134.38 (talk) 09:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

If the picture is in fact of Tegucigalpa and the picture doesn't violate any Copyright or any other Wikipedia policy I don't see any reason to remove it. There are other sites were "proper" pictures which send what you perceive to be the right message can be posted. Wikihonduras (talk) 18:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sister Sister of Tegucigalpa

Please note before you read below that this shouldn't be the place to debate China politics, but since the article was reverted due to political standpoint about China, I thought appropriate to explain the reversion.

Taipei was listed as a Sister sister of Tegucigalpa. All other cities are listed, next to their countries' official name.

In the case of Taipei, capital of the Republic of China it was replaced with Taiwan. Reason given was that: "Sister city is not a political relationship that recognizes national government (US doesn't even recognize ROC). It is better to refer to the country or location than to the state that governs it.)"

- Republic of China is the Official name, used even in Wikipedia. It's not a recognition of the State. This separates it from the Peoples Republic of China

- Taipei in wikipedia is defined as: "Taipei has been the de facto capital of the Republic of China (ROC), commonly known as Taiwan"

- Taiwan is both the name of the island and a common name, not official name for the Country. - The moment you introduce a City name and it's corresponding country the Official Name should be used. It's like saying "Washington DC, America" Since the United States of America is known by its own citizens just as "America"

- Forcing it to be Taiwan, actually does make a political statement of not recognizing it, since China (PRC) refers to it as the "Taiwan Authority"

I am reverting back to Republic of China, since is the name officially accepted, regardless if you accept or recognize statehood and the name also used in Wikipedia then it would be politically neutral. If the Taipei and Republic Of China articles define it differently, then it would be appropriate to change it here too. Wikihonduras (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

All other cities are listed, next to their countries' official name.

That is simply not true. Assuming that by "countries" you intend to mean "states", one can see right away that "United States of America" is not listed by its formal name but instead uses "United States". Similarly, "United Mexican States" (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) is listed as "Mexico". Official names of the states are not being used.

I am reverting back to Republic of China, since is the name officially accepted

"official" has to be made official by someone or some institution. It is not NPOV, it is the POV of that institution or person.

Republic of China is the Official name, used even in Wikipedia

It is the official name of the government.

Taiwan is both the name of the island and a common name, not official name for the Country

States have official names, countries do not. From Wikipedia (with empahasis added), "Usually, but not always, a country coincides with a sovereign territory and is associated with a state, nation and government." "Also, Some entities which constitute cohesive geographical entities, and may be former states, but which are not presently sovereign states are commonly regarded and referred to as countries."

A state, from Wikipedia, is " is a political association with effective sovereignty over a geographic area and representing a population." Republic of China is a political association, not a location or land area. If it were a land area, how could it have changed from encompassing China to emcompassing Taiwan? The only thing it kept in common in moving from its former location (1911 to 1945) to it's current location (1949 to present) is the tiny islands of Kinmen and Matsu. Taipei has always been in Taiwan. It has only been ruled by the ROC for less than 2/3 of the ROC's existence.

The moment you introduce a City name and it's corresponding country the Official Name should be used. It's like saying "Washington DC, America"

A poor example because most people just say "Washington, DC" without attaching either the country name or the state name.

It's more like saying "Edinburgh, Scotland" instead of "Edinburgh, United Kingdom" or saying "Paris, France" instead of "Paris, French Republic".

Forcing it to be Taiwan, actually does make a political statement of not recognizing it, since China (PRC) refers to it as the "Taiwan Authority"

Newspapers, in their strive to be objective, usually say "Taipei, Taiwan". Try looking at the Washington Post web search for "Taipei". When I ran the search, the references I saw either just said "Taipei" or said "Taipei, Taiwan". None said "Tapei, Republic of China". I daresay that if you run the search again you'll get very similar results.

There is no need to bring politics into this. Taiwan is a place. Whether it is more than that is something you may argue is POV. But it is undeniable that Taiwan is a place. It serves to distinguish the Taipei in question from any other Taipei's that may exist. It also provides a location. If you want to specify the government, then your point about the PRC claiming Taiwan could become a factor. But even the PRC agrees that Taipei is in Taiwan. :It is apolitical.

I am reverting back to Taiwan, as there is no need for this article to push a particular POV as to whether Taipei is in the ROC, the PRC, or even China. No one disputes that Taipei is in Taiwan. Readin (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Reading I think that you should've discussed the reversion first.

I checked other sister cities and all of them either have ROC or Taiwan, but the ones that have Taiwan point to the Republic of China article. I am reverting to the original linkage before the changes were made, to Taiwan, but pointing to Republic Of China. This is what historically was in this article and other similar articles. Please refrain to change it back since it should be discussed first since it seems that POV is being pushed here. 151.196.124.171 (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Instead of going into a battle of edits, I think your recommendation is probably the best course of action. Definitely I do agree there is POV here, the user has engaged in similar edit wars and similar arguments in the past. I do think that the whole argument about the distinction about country and state presented has no bearing into the merit of one against the other. I do agree in something with Readin, is that no one disputes Taipei is in Taiwan, but it seems to disagree (which I don't share) that Taipei is not in the Republic Of China or at least that besides specific cases they shouldn't be used next to each other.

In order to avoid any POV issues I'd propose to use either: Taiwan (Republic Of China) OR Republic Of China (Taiwan) which seem to be suggested in ROC naming convention, although it's just a guideline not a policy, it helps to solve similar disputes. Wikihonduras (talk) 19:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The naming conventions give this description for Taiwan (Republic Of China) OR Republic Of China (Taiwan)

• When identifying the state and attempting to differentiate it from the PRC (eg. "Taipei is the capital of the Republic of China (Taiwan).") In general, this only needs to be done once, subsequent references to the ROC need not include "(Taiwan)". Exceptions can be made if there is a very long separation between mentions of the ROC.
• When identifying the state in a general, non-specific way (eg. "The American Institute in Taiwan serves as the de facto embassy of the United States to the Republic of China (Taiwan).")
• When providing disambiguation in articles with Republic of China in their titles, though generally this only needs to be done once (eg. The Republic of China Navy is the maritime branch of the armed forces of the Republic of China (Taiwan))
• When identifying nationality (eg. "Lee Teng-hui is a citizen of the Republic of China (Taiwan).")
• When identifying a location outside the island of Taiwan (eg. "Magong City is the capital of Penghu County, Taiwan (Republic of China).")

The naming conventions give this description for Taiwan

• When identifying a geographic location on the island of Taiwan (eg. "Kaohsiung is a large city on the southern coast of Taiwan.")
• When identifying a birthplace or origin in the context of a geographical location (eg. "Lee Teng-hui was born in Sanchih, Taipei County, Taiwan.")
• When referring to an article or subject specific to the island of Taiwan (eg. Culture of Taiwan, Rail transport in Taiwan)

Taipei is a city just like Kaohsiung. Readin (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Reading fo copy-pasting the contents of the provided link. The issue here is that were are not saying exactly neither, that is, we are not saying, "Taipei, Capital of the ROC", nor we are saying "Taipei, a city located in Taiwan". The listing says only "Taiwan, <country>".

What I did is to see how in this exact context Taiwan itself uses it. So I went to http://www.gio.gov.tw/ (This is the Government information Office)

What I found right on the Main Page as the contact information was: "...Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C. "

If the Information Office uses "Taipei, Taiwan ROC", I think that should be the way to use it in this exact context. Wikihonduras (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

You have a point. Although the name reflects the biases of the current administration (Taiwan is democratic so the government has gone back and forth over time), Wikipedia does respect self-naming and the sister-city relationship is with the Taipei city government, not precisely with the city (the people, places, etc.). However we should find something on the Taipei government page rather than the ROC page. Readin (talk) 23:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

My search didn't come up with much in text, but there were some addresses that used "Taipei, Taiwan,...R.O.C" so I guess we should use that. Readin (talk) 23:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Photo suggestion

I'm not sure if anyones mentioned it yet but there's a huge blank space at the top of this article. I believe the image of the south side of the city under the heading "history" could be moved there to help fill that area and if necessary use more images of the beau city with similar dimensions to go with it. It's a good way to begin a city's geographic feature enticing people to learn and read more about it and perhaps a little more professional looking than a blank space. --Polynesian Lad (talk) 09:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

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Ministereo Publico or Fiscalia?

Relating to the Law Enforcement section, I am not completely sure, but I believe that the Fiscalia is the prosecutor/district attorney, not the Ministereo Publico. When a local police department or detective completes a criminal investigation, they send the file to the Fiscalia. I believe that the Ministereo Publico is a watchdog over the police departments, and an individual with a complaint against a police department would report the issue to the Ministereo Publico. For instance, I was subject to a roadside search at km 9.5 in the Carreterra Olancho outside Tegucigalpa. After the search, I noticed that my digital camera was missing from my truck. I reported this issue to the Ministereo Publico officer who was on the scene. He conducted an on the spot investigation and my camera was apparently found in the pocket of one of the searching National Police officers. The Ministereo Publico officer returned the camera to me on the spot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodsrat (talk • contribs) 21:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Splitting material

The material of this article needs to be split in three: Distrito Central (the municipality and the capital of Honduras, the city of Tegucigalpa and the city of Comayagüela (which has a distinct history, used to be a municipality of its own, etc.). --Soman (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Timeline of Tegucigalpa

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 10:45, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Lizards

Any connections between the Tegu lizard and the name of this city? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.79.193 (talk) 10:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced sister cites

There have been a number of unsourced and unexplained edits to the list of sister cities, and at least some of them don't appear to be legitimate. Also, some of the edits replaced other cities previously on the list. For example: [1], [2], [3], etc. I'm not sure how far back this goes, and I don't have confidence that any of the unsourced entries on the list are correct. It's also made more difficult because there doesn't seem to be a working official website for Tegucigalpa, it's been taken over by some weird porn site...

For example, I can't find evidence that Berlin is a sister city: [4], or Gainesville: [5], Manado, etc.

If anyone, especially Spanish speakers, can help track down a reliable list, that would be helpful, thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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🤔 It is in Spanish one

Yeah it must be in Spanish one so I put a interlanguage link in it, in which it says comayagüela Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 13:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2021 (2)

The religious building name is incorrect. Its not a Mormon Church, its a "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints Temple" or "Latter Days Saints Temple". While Mormon churches are just place of meetings, the temple holds a different function, as for rituals and ceremonies considered sacred for this religious community that are exclusively done in this temples.

{{Infobox settlement | name = Tegucigalpa | official_name = Tegucigalpa, Municipio del Distrito Central | settlement_type = City and Capital | image_skyline = Tegucigalpa collage 2021.jpg | image_caption = From top, left to right: Panoramic view of the north of the city, View towards the hotel district at night, National flag on Suyapa Boulevard, Mormon Church in the south of the city

Please, change "Mormon Church in the south of the city" (in bolds) to "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints Temple in the south of the city" Lulumarumaru (talk) 22:12, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I've changed "Church" to "temple"; I'm checking MOS to see what is a caption-suitable short form for the church. —C.Fred (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Per MOS:LDS, it now reads "LDS Church temple in the south of the city". —C.Fred (talk) 22:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Comayaguëla ≠ Comayagua

This article seems extremely confused about the difference between Comayaguëla and Comayagua.

Here's what I can figure out from staring at Google Maps and from es.wikipedia ('cause I sure as heck wouldn't have learned it from here):

• Comayaguëla is a city that has fused into a conurbation with Tegucigalpa, like you'd expect from a “twin city”. The country's current constitution makes the twin cities jointly the national capital: “Las ciudades de Tegucigalpa, y Comayaguëla, conjuntamente, constituyen la capital de la República.”
• Comayagua is a completely different city 80 km away, in the next department over (also named Comayagua). It used to be the national capital. Then there was a period when the capital was supposed to ping-pong between Comayagua and Tegucigalpa (kind of like the peripatetic European Union parliament). Now it's just a regular city.

So statements like the following are just wrong: “The 1936 constitution established Tegucigalpa and Comayagua as a Central District, and the current 1982 Honduran Constitution continues to define the sister cities as a Central District that serves as the permanent national capital.” Just one example.

Somebody please fix it. Preferably somebody who actually knows more about what's going on than I've gotten from 5 minutes with Google. If nobody can do better, at least just translate what's in es.wikipedia. 2604:3D09:A984:A600:AD84:395F:88BF:90EE (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, somebody please fix it. Comayagua and Comayagüela are not the same thing. I used to live in Honduras and have been to both cities and can tell you they are not the same. 2600:1011:B1CA:4916:A5F4:3D66:B02:99CF (talk) 11:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Crime and Violence

While the sourced file (Citation 103) does claim that Honduras has the highest murder rate in the world, other official sources disagree, including those on Wikipedia. Consider revising this section with statistics more in line with other sources. On the "List of countries by intentional homicide rate" page, Honduras is listed 8th. On the "List of cities by homicide rate" page, Distrito Central is listed #45 (population of 300,000 or more) and Tegucigalpa is listed #78, as sourced from statista.com ThomasSchroeder (talk) 18:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Article confuses Comayagua and Comayagüela

There are numerous instances in this article where Comayagüela (Tegucigalpa's twin city) is referred to as Comayagua (a separate city entirely) 2600:1011:B1CA:4916:A5F4:3D66:B02:99CF (talk) 11:27, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Comayagua vs comayaguela

The article repeatedly confuses Comayagua with comayaguela. Comayagua is the former capital about 60km up the CA-5, Comayaguela is the sister city physically abutting Tegucigalpa on the other bank of the Rio Choluteca. They are used interchangeably throughout the article, which is incorrect 190.5.70.204 (talk) 01:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)