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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Prefall (talk | contribs) at 17:49, 6 October 2024 (→Requested move 6 October 2024: re). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Superman & Lois

I can't find any source for DC Studios being a producer on the show. At best the editors have cited the article from James Gunn and Peter Safran that they expect the show to continue for one or two seasons on DC Studios page.

I fail to understand how does an expectation by someone equate to being involved in production though. I know DC Studios now has the right to take decisions on every DC media, but that doesn't mean production involvement. For example Flash season 9 doesn't have DC Studios listed. Linkin Prankster (talk) 09:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DC Studios dosen't just have rights for decisions, Gunn said here that every DC media would fall under DC Studios. And apparently, they don't have an actual logo. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DC Studios is NOT a rebranded DC Films

THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/

Variety: “James Gunn and Peter Safran have been tapped as co-chairmen and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly created production entity that will oversee DC properties for Warner Bros. Discovery.” https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-warner-bros-discovery-1235414228/

The Verge: “Warner Bros. Discovery has chosen director James Gunn and producer Peter Safran to lead its recently formed DC Studios division.” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23423484/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-ceo-dceu

USA Today: “The studio on Tuesday named Gunn and veteran executive Peter Safran co-chairmen and CEOs of the newly formed DC Studios.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/10/25/james-gunn-peter-safran-become-ceos-newly-formed-dc-studios/10601719002/

Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran

James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354

”When Peter and I formed DC Studios we immediately knew what logo we wanted to use.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1816954985760100536

“Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935

This whole page needs to be split into two and rewritten. DC Films was a separate, now defunct, division, which was replaced with a new studio. 90% of the contents of this page are irrelevant to DC Studios. The production library of this new studio began this week with The Penguin and Super/Man. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DC Studios succeeded DC Films and took over its operations and production. The history of DC Films directly affected what became DC Studios, so that is why they share an article. A split of these closely connected articles is not warranted at this time because there is not an excessive amount of detail. Also, rebrands come with different leaders and corporate structures, not always just in name alone. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even thought James Gunn confirmed it is its own seperate entity entirely in this post? ScottSullivan01 (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DC Studios was formed as the successor to DC Films and it was reorganized differently from that prior entity. Yes, it is a different entity, but it is still a successor to what was DC Films. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 October 2024

DC Studios → DC Films – We should revert this page back to DC Films.

The three 2024 projects, such as Super/Man, The Penguin, and Creature Commandos (along with any 2025 projects movie forwards), will leave this article. As confirmed by CEO James Gunn, in this post on Threads, DC Studios is its OWN entity separate from DC Films. The Super/Man documentary was the first movie to be released by the studio, and The Penguin was the first show released by the studio. As he confirmed on this post here, the Joker sequel is NOT a DC Studios film, though some of 2024 projects mentioned earlier are are, as he explained in this post.

Given this information, directly from the source, I think this move is in the best interest to make things clear. Even if you disagree with this move propsal, please state if you agree/disagree that the movies Shazam! 2 to Joker 2 should fall under DC Films, as confirmed by the CEO of the company. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 00:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What? No. What you are requesting is an article split, which you already proposed on here before removing because you didn't agree with my response. Stop trying to game the system. DC Studios is still the successor of DC Films and inherited its prior projects and saw them to completion. DC Films was structured under Warner Bros. Pictures (which mainly oversaw the Joker sequel), while it was replaced with DC Studios and was restructured. These are NOT two completely unrelated companies. What banner recent projects are released under does not mean a split should occur. From a real-world perspective, these share a history and should not be split. Do you have any source aside from your interpretation of Gunn's comments that confirm DC Studios is not at all related to DC Films or that none of the 2023 works were inherited by DC Studios? If not, there is no verifiable rationale to warrant a move or a split. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While DC Studios is the 'successor', it's important to note these are two SEPARATE entities, as stated by James Gunn himself. Homeofdcu (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Film/Comic book films task force, WikiProject Film, and WikiProject Comics/DC Comics work group have been notified of this discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Trailblazer, this move request is inappropriate. You need consensus that there is no relationship between the two companies, and if that is the case then the article would be split. But renaming this to the old name makes no sense. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I would like to share my opinion on this matter. DC Studios is indeed a new division under WB Entertainment, a production studio. Logically, they were bound to inherit all DC Films projects, but DC Studios goes beyond that. It is now a studio responsible not only for theatrical releases but also for animation, television, and video games. Therefore, they have also inherited all animated projects, but that doesn't mean every project should be listed under the DC Studios article just because they are now under its supervision. As James Gunn himself has stated, not all of these projects are DC Studios productions.
The ideal solution would be to create a separate article for DC Studios and only include the projects the studio itself is working on. There are also inconsistencies in the current article, such as the exclusion of series like Gotham Knights (2023), Superman & Lois, Suicide Squad Isekai, and video games released after the establishment of DC Studios.
If the goal is to group all existing DC audiovisual material under DC Studios, then everything should be included, not just select projects. However, the correct approach is to leave the DC Films article as it was, with its films (and they didn’t even manage all of them, such as The Kitchen in 2019), and create a new article for DC Studios featuring ONLY the productions the studio has produced or acquired and released under the DC Studios label, such as Super/Man, Superman (2025), Creature Commandos, or The Penguin. Drapionsito (talk) 14:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Drapionsito. It is clear they are two separate entities, as mentioned by James Gunn himself. For anyone who clicks on the page too, they are bombarded with the entire history of a completely different entity before they can see anything about the newly formed DC Studios, which is probably why they're going to the article. Ideally, we should only include DC Studios projects that contain its logo or its name in the credits. Brayden8881 (talk) 14:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We go by what reliable sources state. Per sources in the article, DC Studios was formed to replace DC Films, and it did inherit some of DC Films' productions. The studio was restructured as DC Studios. That cannot be ignored. This whole move request is very revisionist and these suggestions are not backed by any reliable sources to verify the claims. Everything on Wikipedia needs a reliable source. Content like Gotham Knights has not been said to be a DC Studios production, while others have been. Productions started under DC Films, ie the Joker sequel, should still be included in this article as that is where they started, even if DC Films' replacement is not involved in it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no continuity between DC Films and DC Studios; it is an entirely new and separate division created within WB Entertainment, which handles something that has never been done before at the company: overseeing all of DC's audiovisual branches, outside of the comics. As I’ve already told you, by pure logic, they inherit all of DC Films' projects, as well as DC’s animation and video games, but these are not projects of the studio. And the sources that Wikipedia requires have already been provided, in the words of James Gunn, the head of the studio. Drapionsito (talk) 15:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DC Studios needs to have its own article because it is a newly created division. It’s referred to as the successor to DC Films because that division, under Warner Bros. Pictures, ceased to exist with the birth of DC Studios, a fully-fledged and totally independent production studio under Warner Bros. Entertainment. It now takes on not only films but also DC's animation, television, and video games. Cartoon Network Studios has its own article because it split from Hanna-Barbera, so why can’t DC Studios, which is a completely new entity? I've provided plenty of reasons for this change. Even James Gunn, the head of DC Studios, has said countless times that DC Studios is something new and entirely separate from what DC Films was. Drapionsito (talk) 15:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems quite ridiculous to me that you say Wikipedia needs sources for everything, we provide them, and despite the fact that they are words from the head of DC Studios himself, you don't take them into account. Yet, at the same time, you allow the article to be filled with productions that the studio has nothing to do with, like Batman Ninja 2 (from WB Japan) or Batman Azteca (from Max Mexico). DC Studios can give notes for everything, but only productions from the studio itself should be included, in its own article, because it is an independent entity. Drapionsito (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drapionsito is correct. This is not just a name change. This is a separate entity which was created after DC Films disbanded. The two are even structurally different, one being its own studio ran by co-CEOs under WBD, and the other being ran directly by WB executives. Homeofdcu (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The continuity of the company from DC Films to DC Studios is consistent. Yes the status of the company changed, but it's not entirely new and it would be confusing to readers to have two separate articles with similar names. Spanneraol (talk) 15:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no continuity between DC Films and DC Studios; it is an entirely new and separate division created within WB Entertainment, which handles something that has never been done before at the company: overseeing all of DC's audiovisual branches, outside of the comics. As I’ve already told you, by pure logic, they inherit all of DC Films' projects, as well as DC’s animation and video games, but these are not projects of the studio. And the sources that Wikipedia requires have already been provided, in the words of James Gunn, the head of the studio. Drapionsito (talk) 15:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Example of this on Wikipedia. Cartoon Network Studios became its own studio separate from Hanna-Barbera in 2000, and in their Wikipedia article they do not count series produced at Hanna-Barbera, that is in the Hanna-Barbera article, they only count CNS productions since the formation of the studio Drapionsito (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is simply untrue. It was elevated to it's own division of WB... but kept the continuity of the projects that had been in the works. Again, it would create confusion to have two articles with similar titles. There is no need for that.. Spanneraol (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - DC Films and DC Studios are separate entities with separate purviews that are each notable enough for their own articles. Mushing them together gives undue weight to their connection. No reliable sources would ever claim that DC Studios was founded in 2016 by Geoff Johns and Jon Berg. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 17:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know if a split is justified, however, the presentation of DC Studios projects definitely needs to be changed. There is a major distinction between projects that may technically have DC Studios oversight (Shazam 2 through Joker 2) with projects that are directly attributed to DC Studios (The Penguin, Super/Man, etc), and the current format does not make this clear. Prefall 17:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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