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Merge proposal

I propose merging Jewish fascism into Revisionist Maximalism. The majority of this article is simply summarizing other articles, particularly this one but also Otzma Yehudit.A. Rosenberg (talk) 14:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge and redirect, this article is an unnecessary fork. Otzma Yehudit is linked to the topic only by reference in op-eds, which does not justify a dedicated article. Marokwitz (talk) 11:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Jewish fascism is a wider conceptual category than that particular political movement and deserves its own article 49.183.0.118 (talk) 09:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The topic here is a broad political framework, and the target being suggested is a specific political movement. The relationship between the two pages is parent and child, and the page clearly states that the target is just an early example of the broader subject. The application of the term to the Kach movement is another piece of currently absent discourse. The page is presently just a start-class encyclopedia entry and needs expanding. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support per Marokwitz to allow for a more nuanced discussion in the new article, but amenable to a different solution if one is found FortunateSons (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge and redirect also pero Marokwitz and the point that this is an unnecessary fork. Hogo-2020 (talk) 06:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Jewish fascism is a long-running movement with many iterations and facets, those include revisionist maximalism but other streams exist and folding them under maximalism obfuscates the differences. Majdal.cc (talk) 18:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is a relevant and growing topic, given its history and the current political climate where some increasingly disturbing views are being aired openly by politicians in Israel Mrfuzzydwagginz (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Most of these comments you are referring to would regardless be better classified as Kahanist than "Jewish Fascism," as fascism has many distinguishing aspects besides nationalism or bigotry. So I would consider this point in particular moot. A. Rosenberg (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This article is poorly written right now but it can be rewritten to one that properly examines both radical early Zionists, Kahanists, and potentially Jewish supporters of white nationalism in the US. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 23:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This topic has a long history and the term "Jewish Fascism" needs its own article. 2A01:5EC0:7027:93E8:15F1:4CF3:F15D:7DF7 (talk) 18:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The renaming proposal is clear to point. Outside of light use by the Revisionist Maximalists, the term "Jewish fascism" finds no basis outside of external accusation, which I do not believe achieves the threshold for an independent article supporting the term (most especially when historical fascists proudly used the term and that is not the case here). Mistamystery (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is extremely incoherent. First, this is a merger proposal, not a renaming one. Secondly, subjects are not named based on what they call themselves. That is not, and will never be, a naming criterion (let alone a criterion for whether a subject qualifies as having standalone notability). Thirdly, it's rather by the by, but fascism is a term derived from Latin by way of Italian politics in the 1910s. But non-Italian groups did not call themselves this; they called themselves "national socialists" and the like, so I'm not sure where this idea that fascists call themselves "fascists" even comes from frankly. Although Smotrich has incidentally noted his indifference to being called a fascist. [1] Iskandar323 (talk) 19:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a renaming proposal, but certainly much of this article could be moved to the other. A. Rosenberg (talk) 20:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]