Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 14
March 14
Category:People of Arab-Jewish descent
- Propose deleting Category:People of Arab-Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Brazilian people of Arab-Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Canadian people of Arab-Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:French people of Arab-Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:British people of Arab-Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:American people of Arab-Jewish descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The term "Arab-Jewish" simply combines Jewish descent with being from Arab countries. This grouping is loosely based on whether a country is part of the Arab League or mostly speaks Arabic. "Arab-Jewish" isn't a specific ethnicity, unlike groups like Sephardi or Mizrahi Jews. Yorkporter (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle per nom, but merge to Category:Brazilian people of Jewish descent etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Danish historians
- Propose merging Category:12th-century Danish historians to Category:12th-century Danish people and Category:Danish historians and Category:12th-century historians
- Propose merging Category:13th-century Danish historians to Category:13th-century Danish people and Category:Danish historians and Category:13th-century historians
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now there's only one or two people in these categories, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Agree, except that the categories should be merged into Category:12th-century Danish writers and Category:13th-century Danish writers etc. And other categories eg Category:16th-century Danish historians should be subcategories of Category:16th-century Danish writers (or Category:16th-century Danish non-fiction writers if the subcategory is warranted). Writers by centuy is a catch-all category, like Category:19th-century Danish musicians which is a “catch-all” category for Danish composers, pianists, violinists etc where subcategories are not warranted. Hugo999 (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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- In principle I do not object to Category:12th-century Danish writers and Category:13th-century Danish writers, except I do not know if they can be populated well enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Moroccan educators by century
- Propose merging Category:Moroccan educators by century to Category:Moroccan educators
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one century in it. Mason (talk) 04:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added Category:21st-century Moroccan educators. Most countries can manage two century categories unless htey have ceased to exist. Hugo999 (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Just two century subcategories can sit perfectly well in Category:Moroccan educators, it does not help here to have an extra category layer. 09:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fernández de la Cueva
- Propose renaming Category:Fernández de la Cueva to Category:???
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if this is supposed to be an eponoymous category Francisco Fernández de la Cueva, 2nd Duke of Alburquerque or if the entire family is called Fernández de la Cueva. I think that this category should be renamed to reflect either the family name or merged to Spanish nobility. Mason (talk) 04:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, it largely overlaps with Category:Dukes of Alburquerque. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Category:21st-century Danish metalsmiths
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Danish metalsmiths to Category:21st-century Danish artisans and Category:21st-century metalsmiths and Category:Danish metalsmiths
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Danish metalsmiths to Category:18th-century metalsmiths and Category:18th-century Danish artisans and Category:Danish metalsmiths
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. There's only one page in each, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 05:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Just dual merge, not to Category:Danish metalsmiths because the articles are already in Category:Danish goldsmiths or Category:Danish coppersmiths.Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)- Keep I have added a couple of new articles to both categories. The number of pages is now similar to that of the 19th-century category, which wasn't listed for deletion, so I assume that is enough. But a few more articles will follow within the next couple of days.Ramblersen2 (talk) 12:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Now keep the 18th century but delete the 21st century. The latter consists of articles about people who were mainly active in the 20th century, per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I have now added four new biographies and weeded out a couple of the oldest people who did not seem to ghave been very active after the turn of the century. The four new biographies are all about people who are either still active or have been so until fairly recently.Ramblersen2 (talk) 11:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Now keep the 18th century but delete the 21st century. The latter consists of articles about people who were mainly active in the 20th century, per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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Category:13th-century Catalan clergy
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not necessary as the content is still in another subcategory of each of the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, but if other pages can be added, then I'd support keeping the category. (I looked, but couldn't find any). Mason (talk) 06:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- There is e.g. Berenguer de Palou II but still the category wouldn't make too much sense after the County of Barcelona was incorporated in the Crown of Aragon a century earlier. There is also no other category of this kind. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, but if other pages can be added, then I'd support keeping the category. (I looked, but couldn't find any). Mason (talk) 06:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Italic archaeology
- Propose upmerging Category:Italic archaeology to Category:Archaeology in Europe
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer 1C 0P. Item already in other two parent cat trees. NLeeuw (talk) 07:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, possibly delete because there is also Asian and some African content in the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or delete?
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IIHF Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:1999 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:1999 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2000 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2000 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2001 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2001 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2011 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2011 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2012 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2012 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2013 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2013 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2014 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2014 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2015 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2015 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships
- Nominator's rationale: Harmonizing subcategory names in the Category:IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships. Maiō T. (talk) 16:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I support the initiative to harmonize subcategory names, I don’t support the selected naming format and would prefer to change the parent category name before altering the subcategories. The tournament is called the "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" in all official IIHF documentation and I strongly feel we should be using that nomenclature, rather than "IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships." Spitzmauskc (talk) 23:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I've tagged the categories.
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Category:Anniston (minor league baseball) players
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NARROWCAT. The league itself was around for only one season (in 1904) and, according to the article, had five notable players. So this isn't going to grow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films
- Propose renaming Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films to Category:Indian Paintbrush films
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation; extremely unlikely to be confused with the flower called the Indian paintbrush (Castilleja). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ice hockey people from Kansas
- Propose merging Category:Ice hockey people from Kansas to Category:Sportspeople from Kansas
- Nominator's rationale: Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ice hockey people by state
- Propose merging Category:Ice hockey people from Tennessee to Category:Sportspeople from Tennessee
- Propose merging Category:Ice hockey people from South Carolina to Category:Sportspeople from South Carolina
- Propose merging Category:Ice hockey people from Delaware to Category:Sportspeople from Delaware
- Propose merging Category:Ice hockey people from Hawaii to Category:Sportspeople from Hawaii
- Nominator's rationale: Only one article each; merge, for now, with parent category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The primary category tree for these articles is the ice hockey people tree and American Ice hockey people by state. Merging to the generic sportspeople category would remove the articles from the more important category tree. DJSasso (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tennis players by state
- Propose merging Category:Tennis players from Delaware to Category:Sportspeople from Delaware
- Propose merging Category:Tennis players from Idaho to Category:Sportspeople from Idaho
- Nominator's rationale: Categories have only have two and one article respectively (already in appropriate categories in Category:American tennis players); if there are more articles on tennis players from Idaho and Delaware then these can be recreated in the future but, for now, merge to parent cat. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Children of Ottoman sultans
- Propose renaming Category:Children of Ottoman sultans to Category:Ottoman royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Not all of the princes and princesses included in this list are children of the sultan, some are grandchildren. Векочел (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. It is also a redudant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The fact that you mentioned is good reason to keep the category, it should be used for specifically children of Sultans, illegitimate ones too.★Trekker (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:18th-century Indigenous Mexican painters
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. only one page in here Mason (talk) 12:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician conquistadors
- Propose merging Category:Galician conquistadors to Category:Spanish conquistadors and Category:Medieval Galician people
- Propose merging Category:Cantabrian conquistadors to Category:People from Cantabria and Category:Spanish conquistadors
- Propose merging Category:Conquistadors from Aragon to Category:People from Aragon and Category:Spanish conquistadors
- Propose merging Category:Canarian conquistadors to Category:People from the Canary Islands and Category:Spanish conquistadors
- Propose merging Category:Asturian conquistadors to Category:Spanish conquistadors and Category:People from Asturias
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is not a helpful category with only one or two people in it. Mason (talk) 03:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCLOCATION. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Medieval Serbian people of Greek descent
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between era of birth AND nationality AND country of descent Mason (talk) 03:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Medieval Serbian people. Quite a few articles do not mention anything about descent and the other articles are already in a Byzantine category, which is more appropriate than Greek. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films about diseases
- Propose merging Category:Films about diseases to Category:Films about diseases and disorders
- Nominator's rationale: I don't understand why we have two such similiar categories. I'm finding articles put in both categories. Either the categories need to be renamed to make their distinction clear or one needs to be merged into the other. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. I think we should leave a redirect to prevent this from happening again. Mason (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect, unclear distinction between diseases and disorders. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There might even be an argument that these are two distinct things and there should be two separate categories, Category:Films about diseases which is about physical health and Category:Films about disorders which primarily seems to be about mental health conditions. Liz Read! Talk! 00:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- That distinction would be better accomplished by a subcat of Films about diseases, and seeing as we already have Category:Films about mental health and Category:Films about mental disorders, it is done. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:5th-century Galician bishops
- Propose splitting Category:5th-century Galician bishops to Category:Bishops from Galicia (Spain) and Category:5th-century bishops
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 01:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge but the whole Category:Bishops from Galicia (Spain) does not make sense either. Galicia was an independent state for only short periods, not throughout the entire middle ages. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Spanish high school teachers
- Propose merging Category:Spanish high school teachers to Category:Spanish schoolteachers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection. between type of teacher and period of schooling Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Category:Austin John Winkler albums
- Nominator's rationale: Contains one non-notable entry, now redirected to the artist. Upmerge the redirect to Category:Rock albums by American artists. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)