Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ain't That Life (album)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete as a non-notable albums. If/when it is released & covered by third-party references, recreate. As to WP:CHANCE, it suggests giving authors a chance - say a week or so - to bring articles up to the minimum guidelines. This article is ten months old, and the AfD lasted a week. Pastordavid (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ain't That Life (album)

Note: See discussion on Talk:Ain't That Life (album).

This is another article on an unreleased album by Jessica Andrews (even though two of its singles were issued). The only "source" is her MySpace page, which definitely doesn't meet WP:RS; the only other source the page's creator could turn up was an unofficial fansite, which doesn't appear reliable either. Therefore, this phantom album cannot possibly be verified. (Also, Andrews doesn't seem to have had a record deal since the collapse of DreamWorks, her previous label, in 2005, so there's almost no chance that this could be released anytime soon.) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 07:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now if the album isn't going to be (and probably never will be) released. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 08:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no reliable sources, and since it's not an official release probably not notable under WP:MUSIC. Lankiveil (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Keep What is the point of deleting this album? When it gets released, this article will just be recreated. So leave it. Yes, I know I wrote the same thing on the other one but I don't have anything different to write.

Vala M (talk) 15:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Wikipedia:Give an article a chance. Happy New Year! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would think that two years is enough of a chance. The album clearly isn't being released, and there aren't any sources to verify that it was even recorded. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin. The page that Le Grand posted is an essay, and not a policy or guideline. He has recently been using it in various AFDs, as he can't find any other reason to keep it. RobJ1981 (talk) 06:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To give a possible article a chance is solidly based on WP:Deletion policy--that deletion is the last resort. Anyway, closing admins know what things are essays, and which essays have general support. Where this article stands, of course, I dont know enough to say.DGG (talk) 04:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No sources after 2 years means no sources, ever. On the off chance that someone ever writes anything about this album, the article can be created using that reliable information.Kww (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Three songs from the album have been released and it may eventually be released, I see no reason to delete. Cerebellum (talk) 20:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 17:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom MiracleMat (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't think this album is notable enough to wait longer than two years to find a source for it. It will probably never be released, so this page serves little purpose. Kavanagh21 (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see the need for a relist. Vala M's argument is not based on any recognizable policy, nor is the one used by Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles. Cerebellum's argument at least has wishful thinking going for it, but no policy that I can detect. The deletes have it.Kww (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I found a bit on the album on Jessica Andrews GAC biography page. http://www.gactv.com/gac/ar_artists_a-z/article/0,,GAC_26071_4885839,00.html Does this help? Vala M (talk) 21:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good find. However, that's just one source, and probably not enough for a full page. That might be good enough for a section on the album on the main Jessica Andrews page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I also found a few other links. Including her website's biography page. http://www.jessicaandrews.com/bio/index.html I don't know how credible this is but I'll add it anyway. http://countrymusic.about.com/od/festivalstn/a/riverfront_thu.htm

And this http://www.tv.com/jessica-andrews/person/183274/summary.html http://todayscountrymusicvideos.blogspot.com/2007/12/jessica-andrews-who-i-am.html

There are many different pages on the album on the internet. I don't know why this isn't considered notable.

Vala M (talk) 03:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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