Talk:Hanna-Barbera

Use of computers

I'm curious about this sentence from the Joseph Barbera article in Ephraim Katz's Encyclopedia of Film:

"In 1957, Hanna and Barbera left MGM and set up their own production company, Hanna-Barbera, a virtual factory turning out television cartoons at an astonishing rate through a computerized numbering system."

Does anyone know any details about exactly when and how the company began using such a system? The sentence implies that it was unusual at the time. Richard K. Carson 07:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

@Richard K. Carson, HB was always pretty "forward thinking". I was a System Engineer there in the 1990's and part of the specialized animation technology group called the "Production Technology Group" or PTG. We were separate from the regular Turner IT staff called "WITS" which stood for "Worldwide Information Technology Service".

When I was there I heard stories about "guys in white lab coats" who operated big (think room size with air conditioning) IBM computers to aid with the production of the animation. Essentially they tracked just about every frame so that it could be used and re-used over and over again saving them the production costs associated with creating a new frame or segment of film. There might be more out there in books, but not that I've personally run across. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

1944 start date issue

Hi folks, I just read through this discussion (now archived) and for what its worth I hope my efforts are not partially to blame for the use of "1944". I'm the owner (and founder) of the Hanna Barbera employee alumni group on LinkedIn.com. The official title of the group is "Hanna Barbera Studios Alumni (1944 - 2006)". I used 1944 because that was the year that was "tossed around the water cooler" when I worked at the studio. But this doesn't amount to anything more than WP:OR and gossip. Quite honestly I was just trying to give the group as broad a range as possible in order for people to join. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you're okay. Thanks! --FuriousFreddy (talk) 20:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

One more show for lead paragraph.

I know we're trying to tame the long list of HB shows in the lead, but I realized while reading the Joseph Barbera article that one important one is missing: Super Friends. It ran for 13 years, making it HB's second-longest running series next to Scooby-Doo. Just wanted transparency and a consensus before adding. Thanks. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 20:57, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

"[…]prayerfully, never sold their souls."

I first question the use of the word "prayerfully" anywhere by anyone. It doesn't seem to work here regardless. But isn't this whole notion completely subjective? What's the citation for their never having sold their souls? That's quite an assertion. I recommend the removal of the entire phrase.

Mbshick (talk) 19:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Mbshick: It sure looks like it doesn't belong. I can't see who added it, but I've removed it. —C.Fred (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Renaming

On 2017-05-31, this article was renamed from Hanna-Barbera (with hyphen) to Hanna–Barbera (with endash). As far as I can see this was done without any prior discussion. It had been stable at the old name for years. My inclination is to reinstate the old title. There's guidance at WP:ENDASH:

Generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities.

• Guinea-Bissau; Bissau is the capital, and this distinguishes the country from neighboring Guinea
• Wilkes-Barre, a single city named after two people, but Minneapolis–Saint Paul, a union of two cities
• John Lennard-Jones, an individual named after two families

Any objections? Colonies Chris (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose Per the page you cited: WP:DASH. This isn't a compound name of a single person like a woman who hyphenates her name when she gets married. This is a conjunction of two separate entities. "Use an en dash for the names of two or more entities in an attributive compound.: the Seifert–van Kampen theorem; the Alpher–Bethe–Gamow theory, the Seeliger–Donker-Voet scheme (developed by Seeliger and Donker-Voet), Comet Hale–Bopp or just Hale–Bopp (discovered by Hale and Bopp)" (for those who can't tell, those latter examples all use ndashes). This isn't a person who was renamed but a company whose name is a conjunction of two distinct names. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

The closest example to this case is Wilkes-Barre. It's a single entity, but it's named after two people. Hanna-Barbera has the same form. It's not a conjunction of separate entities, it's a single entity named after two people. Colonies Chris (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Colonies Chris: How is it not like the ones listed above? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

The guideline says the use of endash applies to "attributive compounds"; all the examples you quoted are exactly that. But H-B is not - there is no noun for which the conjoined names are an attribute. Colonies Chris (talk) 22:06, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

"or just Hale–Bopp (discovered by Hale and Bopp)". ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:30, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

But that's just a shortened form of the attributive compound "Comet Hale–Bopp". Hanna-Barbera is the full name. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Colonies Chris: Okay, but this is "Hanna–Barbera Productions, Inc." How is that not the same thing? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Because the title of the comet article is Comet Hale–Bopp, so the endash is retained when referring to it in a shortened form. With HB, the situation is reversed. The title is not Hanna–Barbera Productions, Inc, it's just the commonly used short form Hanna-Barbera. In any case the situation is rather similar to Thừa Thiên-Huế Province, which is a single province in Vietnam originally compounded from Thừa Thiên Province and Huế Province, but we refer it now using a hyphen because it has an established separate identity from its components - as does HB. Colonies Chris (talk) 14:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support – I'm no English major, but from the explanations I've seen on Wikipedia and elsewhere, the hyphen is generally preferred when a single entity is involved. Hanna and Barbera are two entities, yes, but their company is one entity. If I was describing something other than a company name, I'd side with the en dash argument. Two related examples I can think of are Bristol-Myers Squibb and Kimberly-Clark. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support – Per reasons given above. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 00:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

•  Moved -- Alex^TW 09:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2018

Can someone please add Warner Bros. Animation and Warner Animation Group back as successors in the company infobox? Hanna-Barbera was absorbed into Warner Bros. Animation, not Cartoon Network Studios, and currently H-B operates as an in-name-only division of WBA, which owns most of its physical assets and makes new productions derived from its library, so that's what makes WBA (and Warner Animation Group in terms of theatrical movies) successors to H-B in the first place. Cartoon Network Studios was only created as a spin-off of H-B. 186.149.155.123 (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Partially implemented. I added Warner Bros. Animation into the infobox as a successor entity per your comment about Hanna-Barbera being absorbed into Warner Bros. Animation upon its dissolution. I didn't add Warner Animation Group as it does not appear to have any relation to Hanna-Barbera as an entity; let me know if you have a source that says otherwise. Thank you for your contributions. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

You didn't notice that WAG is making movies based on Scooby-Doo and The Jetsons, did you? 88.66.240.173 (talk) 19:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

That doesn't mean it's a successor entity. Find a source that says "WAG is a successor to Hanna Barbera". Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:37, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Spintendo  13:33, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe

@Jerrylewis528: thank you for your work on improving this page. I wanted to explain some changes I made to the "2001-present" section of this article:

1. First, I reorganized the paragraphs so that each separate theme is a paragraph – so one paragraph on Warner's work using Hanna-Barbera properties, one paragraph on films in development, and one paragraph on comics. It didn't make sense to have final paragraph discuss films and comics when the previous paragraph already discussed the SCOOB film, so I put all the information on films in one place.
2. Second, I removed a reference to the Hanna-Barbera cinematic universe including films on The Flintstones, Wacky Races, and The Jetsons. None of the articles cited actually say that the films being developed on these properties will be part of the cinematic universe; they only say that the films are in development. (By the way, thanks for removing the sentence fragment that I left during my edits yesterday.)

Thanks, Aoi (青い) (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Removed "International expansion and educational projects" section

I removed the section entitled "International expansion and educational projects" because it was completely unsourced. If sources can be found, this material can probably be reintegrated into the article but probably shouldn't be restored in the same place as it was illy fitted under the "1969-1979" heading as the majority of what the section discusses is post-1979.

International expansion and educational projects

In Australia, Hanna-Barbera Pty. Ltd. was formed in 1972 as an Australian unit of the American studio. In 1974, 50% of the studio was acquired by the Hamlyn Group, which in 1978 was acquired by James Hardie Industries. In 1983, both Taft and James Hardie Industries reorganized the division as Taft-Hardie Group Pty. Ltd. The company established a division in Los Angeles known as Southern Star Productions, headed by Buzz Potamkin in 1984. New cartoons produced by this unit, would be animated by the Australian Hanna-Barbera studio in Sydney and carried the name Southern Star/Hanna-Barbera Australia.

In 1987, Hanna-Barbera Poland was established to produce cartoon shows and VHS videocassettes for Polish-speaking audiences. It operated under that name until 1993. In Italy, Hanna-Barbera's cartoons had become very popular. The studio launched a major thrust into the European market with the introduction of The Hanna-Barbera Hour, which was supported by an integrated European marketing program. For earthquake preparedness, Barbera and the studio teamed with Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich for a new project called the Shakey Quakey Schoolhouse Van, headlined by Yogi Bear.

Aoi (青い) (talk) 23:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Cahuena studio discussion

@Jerrylewis528: I just wanted to let you know why I partially reverted this edit: it seemed to me that it would make sense to put the information regarding the Cahuenga studio in one place, mostly because it might be confusing to mention the studio's possible demolition before the discussion about Hanna-Barbera moving out of the studio. Thanks, Aoi (青い) (talk) 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

I also put together information about the deaths of key studio employees together in one location because it didn't flow well having the information in different paragraphs, though I understand your reasoning for keeping the information in chronological order. If you disagree, I request that you please reply here instead of edit warring. Aoi (青い) (talk) 05:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Aoi I now gave that user a level 3 warning as a result of another edit he made. --IanDBeacon (talk) 21:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jerrylewis528: I noticed you changed the item back again. Can you please just leave a note here and let us know why you prefer discussing the items in the order you keep editing it to? Aoi (青い) (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Sound effects citations

There are many, many discussions of the Hanna-Barbera's extensive sound library in sound forums and blogs. However, the only source I could locate that would be up to Wiki standards was an exhibition at the Norman Rockwell Museum. I replaced the more detailed text with a simple descriptor and source-- better to acknowledge their library than have the whole section deleted. Perhaps someone will find a more extensive link at some point when older media is archived online (or a link I couldn't find is uncovered by someone). Technutt (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

New page

there is a new page now in Draft:Hanna-barbera cinematic universe if anyone want to comeover and help devpolmt Fanoflionking 14:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)