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Campbell's 1931 record

The list has been reverted to show the location as Verneukpan, but that article states explicitly that "In 1929 the pan was used by Sir Malcolm Campbell, who unsuccessfully attempted to break the land speed record in his Napier-Campbell Blue Bird". [This documentary] states at 44:02 that Campbell broke the record on 5 Febraury 1931 at Daytona Beach.DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not at all sure YouTube qualifies as reliable. In any case, Northey says Campbell set the 11 March 1929 record (231.446 mph (372.476 km/h)) at Daytona & the later record (246.09 mph (396.04 km/h)), assisted by the government of South Africa, at Verneuk Pan. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 12:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube is not RS, but the footage is taken from this original news footage from British Pathe. Can't see any reason that this would not be considered reliable. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair 'nuf. I can't resolve this with the sources I've got. Newsies are known for getting it wrong on occasion. (And Campbell does set a record at Daytona in '29.) Northey might also be wrong. I seem to recall reading somewhere about Campbell believing Daytona Beach was unsafe, after what happened to Keech. Absent a source that can settle the issue.... This page might, but I don't have the credentials to use it... TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 02:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A More Complete Table

Found a more complete table of land speed records. If no one has any objections I'm adding the entries that our version is missing.2001:56A:7573:7A00:8090:1707:4557:68DD (talk) 20:34, 8 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Campbell

Since the Admins here don't give a damn, & since the Campbell partisans continue to insist a record that was lower than the one previously set, a circumstance that doesn't apply to any other effort on this page, I will make one more appeal for rationality, since this isn't 1963. Then I will tell the Campbell partisans, every one, they can go to hell. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 17:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's very sweet and balanced of you, Trekphiler. But here's the deal. This is a list of land speed records. On the 17th July 1964, Campbell set a record. It is the case that another person had gone faster before Campbell; but as at 17th July 1964 that person's effort had been disallowed. Later, the rules were changed and that person's effort was ratified. It should not be a great bone of contention to list Capmbell's record in the table, with a note pointing to the unusual circumstances which meant that Campbell's record stood only until the prior effort had been ratified, and ergo thereafter did not stand. What is not acceptable is a) to pretend that Campbell's record was not awarded b) to remove Campbell from the table - since this, rather than the narrative, is where people will look for this stuff and c) to get so hot & bothered about the righteousness of your self-sanctified position that you start telling people who disagree with you to go to hell. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And - not to put to fine a point on it - you are /still/ in breach of 3RR. The rules there are very clear. The rules apply to you. Please do what the rules say. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Phx138: Campbell is not "so special'. It's simply that for a period - until the ratification of Breedlove's record - his July 17th run was considered record breaking. Would you perhaps do us the courtesy of discussing this here please. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This has been a settled issue more than 40 years. Breedlove's record is universally accepted as standing. The only people trying to rewrite history are you, Andy, and User:Grubcrawl, both here & here, & with the same rationale: the claim Campbell held the absolute record. It may have been in dispute in 1963. It isn't now. It hasn't been for more than 40yr. Campbell's is the only one you defend for inclusion after it has been exceeded by somebody else. Not Goldenrod, I notice, just Campbell. That's irrational & partisan; removing Campbell might be justified for violating NPOV, if keeping it in wasn't just plain stupidity. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 22:33, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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	:{{ping\|Phx138}} Campbell is not "so special'. It's simply that for a period - until the ratification of Breedlove's record - his July 17th run was considered record breaking. Would you perhaps do us the courtesy of discussing this here please. --[[User:Tagishsimon\|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon\|talk]]) 22:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)		:{{ping\|Phx138}} Campbell is not "so special'. It's simply that for a period - until the ratification of Breedlove's record - his July 17th run was considered record breaking. Would you perhaps do us the courtesy of discussing this here please. --[[User:Tagishsimon\|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon\|talk]]) 22:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
	::This has been a settled issue more than ''40 years''. Breedlove's record is ''universally accepted as standing''. The only people trying to rewrite history are you, Andy, and [[User:Grubcrawl]], both here & [[Land speed racing\|here]], & with the same rationale: the claim Campbell held the absolute record. It may have been in dispute in 1963. ''It isn't now''. It ''hasn't'' been ''for more than 40yr''. Campbell's is ''the only one'' you defend for inclusion ''after it has been exceeded by somebody ~~eles~~''. Not ''Goldenrod'', I notice, just Campbell. That's irrational & partisan; removing Campbell might be justified for violating NPOV, if keeping it in wasn't just plain stupidity. [[User:Trekphiler\|<span style="font-family: cursive; color: #1DACD6;">TREKphiler</span>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler\|<sup style="font-family: cursive; color: #880085;">any time you're ready, Uhura</sup>]] 22:33, 17 June 2019 (UTC)		::This has been a settled issue more than ''40 years''. Breedlove's record is ''universally accepted as standing''. The only people trying to rewrite history are you, Andy, and [[User:Grubcrawl]], both here & [[Land speed racing\|here]], & with the same rationale: the claim Campbell held the absolute record. It may have been in dispute in 1963. ''It isn't now''. It ''hasn't'' been ''for more than 40yr''. Campbell's is ''the only one'' you defend for inclusion ''after it has been exceeded by somebody else''. Not ''Goldenrod'', I notice, just Campbell. That's irrational & partisan; removing Campbell might be justified for violating NPOV, if keeping it in wasn't just plain stupidity. [[User:Trekphiler\|<span style="font-family: cursive; color: #1DACD6;">TREKphiler</span>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler\|<sup style="font-family: cursive; color: #880085;">any time you're ready, Uhura</sup>]] 22:33, 17 June 2019 (UTC)