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Controversy

I have removed the Controversy section, copied from this article, from Julio Granda, Alexander Onischuk, Gilberto Milos, Gata Kamsky and Giovanni Vescovi, due to WP:BLP concerns.

There is a single source, a chessbase.com article, that supports the section. However, the article has the following editorial introduction:

Before the somewhat dramatized account that follows, a quick update. In a brief conversation with young Gastón he said he didn't believe there was any conspiracy against him. We also found out from him that the progression of the tiebreak tournament makes any such collusion very unlikely. Needleman had the bye in the first round and beat Milos in the second round while Felgaer lost to Granda. It would have been crazy to agree to short draws while behind. Gastón added that Kamsky and Granda played a full game at the start. We thank him for his honesty and congratulate him on his tremendous result.

The problematic section makes implicit, but very clear accusations of collusion and dishonesty against the players in question, and yet the source itself is clearly very ambiguous regarding the validity of such accusations, as evidenced by the above quote. I believe therefore that this section violates both WP:BLP and WP:PROPORTION.

For the time being, and for the sake of the discussion, I've left the same section standing in this article (Gastón Needleman), although I must say that the concerns are identical. GregorB (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your argument. Will you also make a note on the talk pages of those five articles? Bob.v.R (talk) 21:02, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think it's better to have a centralized discussion here. All of my edit summaries point to this talk page, so that anyone who wishes to comment will presumably do it here.

I've taken another look at the text of this article and - while obviously the above mentioned issues and concerns still generally apply - I don't think there is a WP:BLP problem here. The event may legitimately be covered in Needleman's bio, and his belief that there was no collusion is duly mentioned, so I'd say this is fine. GregorB (talk) 10:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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 For the time being, and for the sake of the discussion, I've left the same section standing in this article ([[Gastón Needleman]]), although I must say that the ''concerns are identical''. [[User:GregorB|GregorB]] ([[User talk:GregorB|talk]]) 17:40, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 :I understand your argument. Will you also make a note on the talk pages of those five articles? [[User:Bob.v.R|Bob.v.R]] ([[User talk:Bob.v.R|talk]]) 21:02, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
+:: No, I think it's better to have a centralized discussion here. All of my edit summaries point to this talk page, so that anyone who wishes to comment will presumably do it here.
+:: I've taken another look at the text of this article and - while obviously the above mentioned issues and concerns still generally apply - I don't think there is a WP:BLP problem here. The event may legitimately be covered in Needleman's bio, and his belief that there was no collusion is duly mentioned, so I'd say this is fine. [[User:GregorB|GregorB]] ([[User talk:GregorB|talk]]) 10:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)