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:We are not changing his date of birth. Please see [[Talk:Audie_Murphy/Archive_1#Year_of_birth|Archive_1#Year_of_birth]]. DOB is the most argued issue of Audie Murphy. The last time he entered his date of birth was on his California Driver's License, which showed 1925. In order to be issued his first California driver's license, he had to have showed identification with his birth date to the California Department of Motor Vehicles. The article is protected specifically because of the previous constant edit wars over his birth date. It stays as is. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 19:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC) |
:We are not changing his date of birth. Please see [[Talk:Audie_Murphy/Archive_1#Year_of_birth|Archive_1#Year_of_birth]]. DOB is the most argued issue of Audie Murphy. The last time he entered his date of birth was on his California Driver's License, which showed 1925. In order to be issued his first California driver's license, he had to have showed identification with his birth date to the California Department of Motor Vehicles. The article is protected specifically because of the previous constant edit wars over his birth date. It stays as is. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 19:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC) |
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== Soldier's Medal and Air Medals<br> awarded to 3rd Infantry Div. == |
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Whether you disagree or not, you can see for yourselves that the 3rd Infantry Division was awarded 172 Soldier Medals (SM) and 72 Air Medals (AM) in WWII.http://www.lonesentry.com/usdivisions/history/infantry/division/3rd_infantry_division.html [[User:YahwehSaves|YahwehSaves]] ([[User talk:YahwehSaves|talk]]) 20:10, 17 October 2017 (UTC) |
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Per WT:WikiProject Military history:Military_dates_or_civilian_dates.3F, the U.S. military style DMY format is to be used on this article. Please do not change. — Maile (talk) 12:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Do not change dates, formatting or do rewrites of article
This article is FA. As discussed above, and many places elsewhere, the accepted date format is the military format of DMT. Do not change that. Do not do a rewrite of the article, after it has already been approved as FA. It does not need to be reworded at this point. If anyone has issues on this article, please discuss here. — Maile (talk) 13:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
U.S Army manual on dates, capitalization, etc.
In regards to some recent well-meaning edits and reverts, please see the U.S. Army CMH Style Guide 2011.pdf.
- Regarding dates, section 6.1 specifically says "Use the military day-month-year dating system (without punctuation)."
- Regarding capitalization of ranks, section 1.47 specifically says "Lowercase military titles when standing alone, or when following a name."
Hope this information has been helpful. — Maile (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- One of the examples given in the U. S. Army manual as proper date usage is:
- "On 1 August 2003 General Schoomaker succeeded General Shinseki as chief of staff."
- The Army applies it to people. — Maile (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- One of the examples given in the U. S. Army manual as proper date usage is:
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Ambiguous year of birth
In the brief bio section on the right-hand side of the page it shows Audie's year of birth as 1925, but farther on down in the photo of Audie's gravestone in Arlington cemetery it shows his year of birth as 1924.
Marco Sanguinetti (talk) 02:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)Marco Sanguinetti
- Please see Footnote #1 for a full explanation. He lied about his birthdate to get into the Army, so the military records show the fake birth date of 1924. His California's drivers license showed his real birth date of 1925.— Maile (talk) 11:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Marco Sanguinetti: This has also been discussed before. You can search the talk page archives for answers like these. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- To chime in, the 1930 US census reports his age as 6: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C9SM-83Z
- @Marco Sanguinetti: This has also been discussed before. You can search the talk page archives for answers like these. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Emmitt Murphy Head M 41 Texas Josie Murphy Wife F 38 Texas Corine Murphy Daughter F 19 Texas Charlie Murphy Son M 17 Texas June Murphy Daughter F 11 Texas Audie Murphy Son M 6 Texas Richard Murphy Son M 4 Texas Eugene Murphy Son M 1 Texas
- Maybe 1924 is correct after all? 2602:306:8381:7390:A3:E174:EA50:2F7D (talk) 19:23, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- @2602:306:8381:7390:A3:E174:EA50:2F7D Could be 1924. Could even be 1923 as his birthday was June 20, and the census was on April 11; it all depends on whether the census enumerator was a stickler for details (many seem to have been but misinformation and mistakes still occurred) and who gave him the ages in question. If it was one of the many siblings the age (6) could simply have been a mistake or an approximation. This source supports 1925 as the correct year of birth and has reasonably reliable sources. Too bad there is no birth certificate, which is a little surprising as by the 1920s they were required in Texas, but in a rural area like where Audie Murphy was born I guess, and his family's socioeconomic status and remote homestead they may not have felt it necessary or bothered to get one registered, apparently for any of the kids. 65.88.88.45 (talk) 18:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Politics
Should the article mention that Murphy was a Democrat? (86.144.250.234 (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC))
- Inappropriate. He was not an elected official, and his career was not otherwise tied to political activism. He was a soldier whose allegiance was to the country as a whole. — Maile (talk) 21:47, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2017
2602:30A:C0C1:B570:842A:ABE:E7A5:BA42 (talk) 19:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC) 1924 he was born
- We are not changing his date of birth. Please see Archive_1#Year_of_birth. DOB is the most argued issue of Audie Murphy. The last time he entered his date of birth was on his California Driver's License, which showed 1925. In order to be issued his first California driver's license, he had to have showed identification with his birth date to the California Department of Motor Vehicles. The article is protected specifically because of the previous constant edit wars over his birth date. It stays as is. — Maile (talk) 19:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Soldier's Medal and Air Medals
awarded to 3rd Infantry Div.
Whether you disagree or not, you can see for yourselves that the 3rd Infantry Division was awarded 172 Soldier Medals (SM) and 72 Air Medals (AM) in WWII.http://www.lonesentry.com/usdivisions/history/infantry/division/3rd_infantry_division.html YahwehSaves (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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