Talk:Stephen A. Douglas

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The Kansas Nebraska Act

"Leading Southern Senators had met with Douglas, and had insisted on popular sovereignty as a condition for their support of the bill."

I think this is inaccurate. Princeton Historian Sean Wilentz in "The Rise of American Democracy" says that Southern Senators insisted on repealing the Missouri Compromise if they were to support Nebraska. Douglas resisted but finally gave in to them to pass the act.

Southern Senators actually opposed Popular Soverignity. They believed the territories were jointly owned by all of the states. The Constitution provided that the official acts of any state (such as the purchase of property) were equally binding on all states. There was a right to carry property including property in slaves into any territory and that right was protected by the Constitution.

Douglas argued that any such right was a "barren right" if the citizens of a territory opposed slavery because they would not pass the local police laws necessary maintain slaves.

Southern Senators disagreed. They believed that local territorial government had an obligation to uphold the Constitution and could not legally fail to protect property legally acquired.

Lincoln agreed with the southerners. He argued that Popular Soverignity did give territories the right to have slavery but "It don't give them the right not to have slavery if they don't want it." 00:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)John Rydberg

But Kansas voted against slavery, and entered the Union as a free state. Valetude (talk) 20:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Judge

Lincoln mentions that Douglas is a "judge" but it is not mentioned that Douglas served on the state supreme court for a few years. Can someone confirm and add that into the profile? Gautam ^Discuss 07:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Many factual Mistakes

This article is filled with factual mistakes. I don't think Douglas died anytime in the past fifty years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.118.192 (talk) 22:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Second wife

Did Adele survive him? If so, what happened to her? Valetude (talk) 23:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Diacritic in spelling of first wife's name

I have reverted the addition of spelling changes which introduce diacritics. In short, reliable sources when considered on a whole do not spell it that way. Please see this Ngram comparison to see that the diacritic spelling doesn't merit mention in the graph.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

We should probably get her headstone replaced at Arlington National Cemetery. Obviously, she and her children had no idea how to spell her name and we should rely on the internet for spelling in this case. http://www.ourfamtree.org/attach/w/i/williams,robert,adele-cutts,james1.jpg

Don't change the headstone but do change your glasses...that photo has the word Adele with the diacritic on the last "e" and not the first "e" so your own source shoots your argument in the foot. Your changes were wrong from the beginning. I looked at a blow up of that photo of the headstone to see that. The person who wrote this looks to have made a spelling mistake...and you were going to propagate it. Leave off diacritics, period. Stone carvers were never known as great spellers.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 20:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is a whole thread that you can edit. Apparently there is an umlaut on the pages for Wurttemberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_W%C3%BCrttemberg. Also, could you maybe not be such a condescending prick? Thanks!!

That is rich coming from the one who posted this. Nothing in my original post above was so snarky and sarcastic as your demeanor.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is another page that uses an umlaut in the article for Claus von Bülow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_B%C3%BClow You should edit that, as well, since this is SUCH an important thing. I'm sure von Bülow himself is no authority on the spelling of his own name....

Charlotte Brontë: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Bront%C3%AB Emily Brontë: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Bront%C3%AB Noël Coward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No%C3%ABl_Coward Emeli Sandé: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emeli_Sand%C3%A9 Beyoncé: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonc%C3%A9 Renée Zellweger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Zellweger

And a few other words you MUST fix to adhere to your personal tastes: exposé, lamé, maté, öre, øre, pâté, and rosé.

Also, I'm sorry, but with Von Bülow, plenty of sources omitted the umlaut...So which is correct?

Here is your source: https://archive.org/stream/famousamericanbe00peac#page/178/mode/2up

My comments above about leaving diacritics off are pertaining to this article. Try using sources that deal with the subject of this article.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 20:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Again, here is your source. It's from a book. That counts, right? https://archive.org/stream/famousamericanbe00peac#page/178/mode/2up

Yes, that is one. The overwhelming majority of books seem to have left the diacritic off. This search reflects that.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, again, people omit the diacritic - just like with Beyoncé and Von Bülow. However, her tombstone and this book seem to back this up, would you like me to find OTHER sources? I'm getting the feeling that even if I do find overwhelming evidence, like bringing her back from the dead, you would still have a problem with this.

The tombstone makes an argument for a diacritic on the latter "e" and so isn't really a good source here. Other sources do exist with the diacritic on the first "e" and aren't necessary. I concede that sources do exist but my argument is that they are in the minority. If we were to have an article on her then we would use the most common name for recognizability.

We should wait for other editors to chime in and offer opinions which may take several days to a week. No hurry.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Fancy a cup of hot cocoa while we wait?

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Also, after reviewing the common name page you sent, that is not in reference to the correct spelling of names - it is going with a person's commonly known stage-name. Ie. Norma Jean Mortenson versus Marilyn Monroe - it would be correct to go with her stage name. I agree with you and Wikipedia that much. I'm not insisting that we go by her first name of Rose. It's Adele versus Adèle.

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Here are two more links from the University of Chicago. One is a signed letter, the other is a dinner invitation - both using Adèle. Maybe she didn't know her own name - which makes sense for someone who was upper class and received the absolute best education at the time. :-| Kind of funny to have any doubts about her name when the source is her own personal documents...

https://catalog.lib.uchicago.edu/vufind/Record/4861710

https://catalog.lib.uchicago.edu/vufind/Record/4861514