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Comment from blocked user Asdisis, confirmed and blocked. I was reading some about Tesla-Macek Telegram and while I was reading the discussions I saw something interesting. An editor recently posted Tesla's diploma. Some already said that it is an interesting document and I think it should enter the article. I suggest we put it instead of baptismal record since there are already some images there, and since it is far more interesting to the readers to see how well Tesla did in school.

Also I would appreciate if someone more familiar could direct me to the right discussion where I can see the consensus about telegram removal. I saw telegram mentioned in several secondary sources, and the discussions I read were full of original research and invalid sources. Thank you. Detoner (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Detoner. You are autoconfirmed, so you should be able to edit semi-protected articles unless you are editing through Tor. I think the diploma is interesting, but the scan is of worse quality than the baptismal record, so perhaps you could add it as an external link at the end. There are several discussions about the Tesla-Macek telegram in the fifth archive of this talk page. From a casual glance, I don't see a particular consensus for including or excluding the telegram from the article, but I doubt reopening discussion on it will be productive. Debates about Tesla's nationality are unlikely to ever stop. Altamel (talk) 03:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Detoner (former IP2001), you say "I saw telegram mentioned in several secondary sources", can you point us which secondary sources are those? Scholar English-language ones? FkpCascais (talk) 10:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Yes. Detoner (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)~~[reply]

Why don't you bring the links of those sources here then? FkpCascais (talk) 22:04, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I wanted to establish a consensus since there are already many images, and I thought that the baptismal record is not as much interesting as Tesla's diploma. I will try to find a better image. Maybe the editor who posted it can help. Thank you for the discussion about the Telegram. I was under impression that it was removed from the article because it lacked sources. I know I saw someone saying it is removed because of that. The telegram is not very related to Tesla's nationality. It is simply just another document. It does not state anything about nationality. I came here to help with the question of Military Frontier since some users were making up certain claims that go against the sources, and while I was doing that I found out that the same goes for the telegram. I think I resolved the Military Froniter issue based on the sources and I think we won't have further discussions about Tesla's birthplace. He was born in Croatian Military Frontier, and the king himself had defined Military Frontier as formally Croatian land under separate administration. The readers can now read this article and if they want to find more about the whereabouts of Tesla's birthplace they can just follow the link. Detoner (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All discussion relating to Tesla's nationality goes on the page Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity, see top of this page. If you want to continue this discussion, continue it there. --Chetvorno^TALK 19:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not related to Tesla's nationality. This is a request to introduce Tesla's diploma to the article. Detoner (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why a telegram would add biographic value to this article, but if someone can present some reliable sources to establish that it does, then we can discuss adding it.- Mr X 20:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment from blocked user Asdisis, confirmed and blocked.~~
I think it's an interesting document, like all such Tesla's documents which are sparse. Also I don't think the article is think on space so a link couldn't be included. It doesn't have to be a picture, and there are already enough pictures. I would just like to establish that telegram as reliable, and whether is it enough to include it in the article is less important. Other user motivated me to investigate, because he used totally unreliable source to prove it is a forgery. I went to previous discussions and saw even worst situation. I don't know how that went unnoticed and how original research was considered a valid argument. Let's return to the topic of this request, and leave the telegram for another discussion. Maybe you could help to find a better image of Tesla's diploma. Detoner (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can't help you find a better image, but it would easy to improve the one linked to. I think the best place for such a document image would be Category:Nikola Tesla.- Mr X 21:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Ok, it seems that there is no interest to include Tesla's diploma to the article, so I won't insist on it. I just thought it is more interesting than some other images since the readers could see Tesla's grades in school. Detoner (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
That is his final exam record. This is his high school matura (maturitätszeugnis) copy, and here is a duplicate of his high school certificate for 1872/3, issued in 1885.[1] Tzowu (talk) 21:28, 17 July 2015 (UTC) Comment from blocked user Asdisis, confirmed and blocked. [reply]
Thank you. I just suggested it enters the article without making any edit. I left it to the people participating in this article. I personally do not understand that someone wouldn't find Tesla's grades interesting , but that's just me. I'm investigating on the telegram, and I've seen this in the previous discussions and I found it interesting and it seems no one else noticed it so I mentioned it here again. Detoner (talk) 21:42, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide those alleged secondary sources I asked you about above, please? FkpCascais (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I provided the link to Tesla's grades in a previous discussion. I think it would be better off to show it on the Croatian or Serbian Wikipedia pages for Nikola Tesla. I remember years ago there was a copy of Tesla's grades shown in the article but it was taken down, probably because it stated that the Croatian language was Tesla's mother tongue. Some editors didn't take too much of a liking to that. I wonder why?--Michael Cambridge 04:50, 18 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Cambridge (talk • contribs)
I am asking for the alleged secondary sources that deal with the telegram. Detoner made a statement that they exist, so I am asking him to provide them here or otherwise admit there are no sources. Making unfounded claims is disruptive. FkpCascais (talk) 11:18, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment from blocked user Asdisis, confirmed and blocked.~~
This is not the discussion about the Telegram and I have no intent to digress. Detoner (talk) 12:13, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nice excuse for not having to admit you said you have secondary sources but you don't. It just sounded nice and more convincing to say that you saw some, didn't it? FkpCascais (talk) 12:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment from blocked user Asdisis, confirmed and blocked.~~
Would you stop with the digression. It is being very disruptive. This is not the discussion about the telegram. I have no intention to post the sources here and start another pointless debate with you. Leave me alone and stop following me across other articles. Detoner (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Detoner is banned because he is a POV pusher and his comments should be disregarded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.104.83.208 (talk) 19:52, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]~~
~~...and so should yours. --Michael Cambridge 13:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Cambridge (talk • contribs)~~
~~So why don't you just disregard them then? Chillum 13:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]~~
~~Tesla has nothing to do with Croatia~~
~~Moved to Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity#Tesla has nothing to do with Croatia per 16 June 2015 RfC consensus~~
~~Tesla's father Serbian-Orthodox priest~~
~~Moved to Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity#Tesla's father Serbian-Orthodox priest per 16 June 2015 RfC consensus~~
~~Serbian American~~
~~Moved to Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity#Serbian American per 16 June 2015 RfC consensus --Chetvorno^TALK 20:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]~~
~~whilst~~
"whilst" is not American English. It is an attempt at sounding sophisticated by using a novel, fad word associated with British English. It's twee, and silly and makes me cringe every time I read an American misusing it. Please purge it from this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.72.178.117 (talk) 09:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Methinks also it doth suck and twere far, far better confined to its natural milieu, faux 19th century novels written by puerile sophomore English majors at small pretentious New England girls schools, and Bulwar-Lytton Contest entries. --Chetvorno^TALK 16:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Anti-Semitism?~~
The only other discussion I saw about this was the usual Cheney quote a while back in the archive. Setting that aside, though, this seems to indicate he was. an analysis of these quotes here seems to be a bit more vague, while erring on the side of "likely." There's a lot of GHits to derivatives of these quotes as well, but they don't likely meet RS. As there are several sections in this article based on a single quote, are two disparate sources (Cheney and the first ref) and the analysis (third ref) enough to indicate that he was and put it into the article? MSJapan (talk) 03:53, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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How come a source listed under 1 is interpreted? There's a difference between "listed" and "had". I also would like to know the answer to why a number of sources neglect are neglected. Sources that speak of Tesla birthplace to be Croatia, Military Frontier, Croatian Military Frontier, some say Montenegro, and some say Serbia. Don't tell me there's a consensus because I see those questions raised in the former discussions and no consensus. Wikipedia should sum what the sources say, and the sources on Tesla's birthplace are all over the place, yet that isn't mentioned. It seems to me that sources are not being followed. 104.238.83.28 (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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+How come a source listed under 1 is interpreted? There's a difference between "listed" and "had". I also would like to know the answer to why a number of sources neglect are neglected. Sources that speak of Tesla birthplace to be Croatia, Military Frontier, Croatian Military Frontier, some say Montenegro, and some say Serbia. Don't tell me there's a consensus because I see those questions raised in the former discussions and no consensus. Wikipedia should sum what the sources say, and the sources on Tesla's birthplace are all over the place, yet that isn't mentioned. It seems to me that sources are not being followed.  [[Special:Contributions/104.238.83.28|104.238.83.28]] ([[User talk:104.238.83.28|talk]]) 17:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)