User talk:John from Idegon

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Moved to Talk:Northwestern High School (Hyattsville, Maryland), where it belongs John from Idegon (talk) 13:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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John, I wondered if you could take a look at Daniel R. Gernatt, Sr. and Flavia C. Gernatt, see what you think, let me know, and make a comment regarding User:Carriearchdale's nomination for deletion of the latter. I'm interested in knowing your views. Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

When you have a moment, I would like to ask if you would take a look at this [1] and give me some suggestions on how to proceed regarding the editor's unfounded and untrue accusations. Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:35, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Daniella, could you give me a diff (that's the url, from the history, of the change you want me to look at)? I am not sure what you are looking for. John from Idegon (talk) 21:51, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Carrie has been stalking me, now, on 6 articles that I recently created. She has accused me of paid editing. Those issues are reflected in the attachment that I included in my above-comment. I understand from reading other editors' comments that this is her MO, making Wikipedia her personal battleground. She clearly has an issue with me and my editing, now having unreviewed 3 articles I created. I've experienced some really ugly things here lately, and I'm getting quite discouraged. Most people generally don't act in this fashion, but there have been a couple lately. I'm just wondering how to proceed. Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, the proper place to report a problem with user behavior is WP:ANI. Would I take this there? Most likely not. Why? WP:BOOMERANG! As I already mentioned to you, your behavior regarding this particular AfD is not beyond reproach. Besides the WP:CANVAS issue, all the personal level bickering at the AfD is simply not appropriate. Is Carriearchdale's behavior appropriate? I don't at this time know, but will look into it. One thing that is not ever appropriate is to be arguing about another editor's behavior in the body of an afD discussion. Realize that your own behavior has been called into question by some very respected editors of late. Please take this for what it is, Daniella: a piece of advice that I hope you heed. You seem to take what happens here way too seriously. The articles you write are just that: Wikipedia articles. Articles that will get changed and modified over and over again. Articles that some may not see the utility of. They are not your children and you need to learn to let go. This place is very political as we have discussed before. The single most political place in all of Wikipedia is probably ANI. I am not telling you not to go there (yet...after I analyze your interactions with the editor in question that may change). I am telling you that you may get burned by going there and in any case, I would not do it without a thorough reading of the board, both currently and some of the archives.

What I would advise you is to seriously consider taking a break for a while. There are too many issues spinning around you for them all to be coincidental or not at least somewhat attributable to you. You are a good editor. However, you seem to be not doing too well with your interpersonal skills here. There are some real pricks here. There are some super successful editors who couldn't get along with another soul if they had to. We made some jokes about how addicting Wikipedia is when you were starting. You may have thought I was kidding, but Wikipedia was contributory to the breakup of my marriage. I think you may need some time to get some perspective. So, in short, stay away from the Afd in question and let the chips fall where they may. At this point the worst outcome will be what I asked for (merge). Take a break and after a bit maybe spend some time working to analyze others work; either by being an active contributor at AfD or possibly reviewing at WP:AFC. It will give you some better perspective on what works here and what doesn't. Good luck. I will email you late tonite with what I figure out about your initial question. John from Idegon (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Inappropriate user conduct

Per the guidelines found on Wikipedia's Dispute Resolution page, I am adding this grievance to your user talk page, citing your inappropriate attitude in your edits to the Northwestern High School) article. It is clear that you have hurt feelings from this on-going editors ordeal. Lots of snide, condescending, rude, and inappropriate commentary in your comments for the edits you have made. If you want to behave like a seasoned and well-versed Wikipedia editor, it would behoove you to abide by ALL policies, not just cherry picked one's the support your agenda. I have never claimed to be an expert on Wikipedia policy, but from what I do know, I see a lot of policy violations from you. Wikipedia explicitly states: "To help other editors understand the reasoning behind your edits, always explain your changes in the edit summary. If an edit is too complex to explain in an edit summary, or the change is contentious, add a section to the talk page that explains your rationale. Be prepared to justify your changes to other editors on the talk page. If you are reverted, continue to explain yourself; do not start an edit war." In addition to that, running off to find one of your editor buddies, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)—which not only helps your cause—but causes a conflict of interest, is not the answer, either.

Kudpung erroneous claimed, "Prior to your last edit, there was, in this ongoing discussion, a consensus not to re-increase the image size." Could someone point out the consensus?? A consensus has to be majority conclusion. In regards to the issue at hand (infobox image size) the only dispute regarding this has been the one currently going on in the articles talk page, never a prior one as I can recall. Since there have only been two editors disagreeing on this, a consensus would mean there would have to be at the very least, a third editor involved, who (in this case) sided against me and claimed I refused to comply with the said consensus. Please point out the other editor involved?? The good part about things written down, is that the evidence is always there. This wasn't a verbal conversation. My last reply specifically stated that I had no issues going through a FORMAL third party process, if neither one of us TWO editors could come to an amicable agreement. Out of the blue, here come some random third editor, who has conveniently sided with John from Idegon, and who is speaking in a manner that suggests he's been a part of this dispute the entire time. I have not discussed anything with him, prior this. I take issue with being accused of doing something wrong, when that hasn't been the case. Finding buddies to side with you isn't the way to go. Wrong is wrong, and if I'm wrong, I have no problem dealing with being wrong and following guidelines or constructive criticism or someone showing me specific guidelines that I should comply with. So far, it seems like the only wrong I'm seeing is from the two people I have mentioned.

You (John from Idegon) keep citing things that I have supposedly done wrong that are either entirely frivolous or they have no relevance to any of my edits, and you use irrelebant Wikipedia policies that reflect your attempt at justifying your claims against me. I am not a novice. When I add photos, such as the infobox logo of the school in question, I thoroughly read Wikipedia guidelines to make sure I haven't violated copyright policies. Since apparently I didn't make myself clear the first time I mentioned this, I will reiterate that this IS NOT my first rodeo when it comes to editor disputes or attempting to get more knowledgeable editors to critique the edits or contributions I have made. I have had more than one expert Wikipedia editor look at the logo that you found issues with, and NONE of them cited there were any copyright violations or even questionable violation issues. Moreover, you run to a non-school official PSTA Facebook page, which has no official affiliation with Northwestern High School, and take a self-made logo that is not an official logo of the school, then throw it up on the page, just so you can get your "HA! I'll get the last laugh moment." Then, you even go as far as to state that I just wrongfully modified the schools official logo (not true), uploaded it to Wikipedia and the schools' page without citing I had made any changes to the logo (also not true), and then replace it with some radom logo that YOU erroneously cited as being a logo of an organization, which it is not! I won't even bother entertaining the other questionable edits that you made, some of which are edits I will not spend time disputing and will accept, but others that were once again either (A) made because of your own personal preferences and not actual policy violations or (B) you made due to having an attitude because you couldn't prove your original point about me having violated infobox image size policies, something your buddy Kudoung didn't manage to do, either.

BTW, I would suggest that both users cited take a look at the Featured Articles page. It states: "Featured articles are considered to be the best articles Wikipedia has to offer, as determined by Wikipedia's editors. They are used by editors as examples for writing other articles." So, for Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) to argue that Plano Senior High School's article was last assessed more than seven years ago, and therefore isn't an appropriate article to use as a article building example, is the fault of Wikipedia and its school article editors, and not me! I followed exactly what Wikipedia, itself, has stated which is the featured articles are used as examples for creating other articles. --Khemistry (talk) 08:27, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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