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Image is supposedly taken from the FCPS website, but I could not find any copy of the image on that website and I have never known FCPS to license any of their media freely. I suspect that this file was indeed taken from somewhere on the FCPS website, but that it is un-free. I certainly don't think that it is in the Public Domain, and as the uploader is new, I suspect they misunderstood what Public Domain means. Zell Faze (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:The New Frederick High Front Drawing.jpg

File:The New Frederick High Front Drawing.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

See Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3#File:Frederick_High_School_common_area.jpg Zell Faze (talk) 11:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:A schematic drawing of the back of the new Frederick High School.jpg

File:A schematic drawing of the back of the new Frederick High School.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

See Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3#File:Frederick_High_School_common_area.jpg Zell Faze (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Frederick Cafe.jpg

File:Frederick Cafe.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

See Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3#File:Frederick_High_School_common_area.jpg Zell Faze (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Frederick high atrium.jpg

File:Frederick high atrium.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

See Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_July_3#File:Frederick_High_School_common_area.jpg Zell Faze (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Koch Cup Trophy.jpg

File:Koch Cup Trophy.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

This is a work of artistic silverware, and as such may need additional information on the copyright status of the object. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We would need OTRS permission for the photo since the source is given as seascoutcup.org, the uploader's username suggests they are connected to the organisation but this needs evidence. January (talk) 21:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Eamon Gilmore with the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the OSCE Ministerial meeting held in Dublin, December 2012.jpg

File:Eamon Gilmore with the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the OSCE Ministerial meeting held in Dublin, December 2012.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

EXIF: "Copyright© DFA/ 2012 Fennell Photography" Eeekster (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Eamon Gilmore speaking to US Congressman Paul Ryan.jpg

File:Eamon Gilmore speaking to US Congressman Paul Ryan.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

EXIF: "Copyright 2013 by DC photographer Marty Katz" Eeekster (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Eamon Gilmore with Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness.jpg

File:Eamon Gilmore with Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

EXIF: "Fennell Photography @ Copyright 2012" Eeekster (talk) 19:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Eamon Gilmore with NI First Minister Peter Robinson in Belfast on Remembrance Sunday.jpg

File:Eamon Gilmore with NI First Minister Peter Robinson in Belfast on Remembrance Sunday.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

EXIF: "Copyright holder www.paulmcerlane.net" Eeekster (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Lucknow Railway Station.jpg

File:Lucknow Railway Station.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Appears to be cropped from the image at http://www.panoramio.com/photo/90432313 Eeekster (talk) 19:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Logo of lucknow metro.jpg

File:Logo of lucknow metro.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Derivative work of official logo. Eeekster (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:The arrest of Ibrahim Kaypakkaya.jpg

File:The arrest of Ibrahim Kaypakkaya.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Appears to be a scan of printed material. Eeekster (talk) 21:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Northwestern High School Wildcat Logo.svg

File:Northwestern High School Wildcat Logo.svg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Author claims image is "fair use" for Northwestern High School (Hyattsville, Maryland), while stating in his rationale that he himself took a copyrighted image from an archive copy of a subpage of the school's website and then modified it and uploaded the result. Changing a copyrighted image and then using it to symbolize the owner of the copyright is in and of itself a violation of copyright laws. John from Idegon (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:The Chair of Thomasville at an angle.jpg

File:The Chair of Thomasville at an angle.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Work of art in US, Later than 1923 so additional confirmation of status is needed. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that any public artwork installed before 1978 without a copyright notice is also in the public domain, just as it is on Commons. It was uploaded with the original plaque showing it was erected in 1950. File:The Chair of Thomasville plaque.jpg Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Even ignoring the copyright notice issue, that it was installed in 1950 means to be copyrighted still it would have to have been renewed at some point. An inspection of the Copyright Office records for any entries under the name "Duncan Phyfe" or for works titled "Chair of Thomasville" returned zero results. Therefore, this work is in the public domain. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If this is accurate (and I believe in the good faith of these two editors) then we need to be more careful with public art deletions in the future.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The main thing I might advise Dennis and others to do in the future is include a standard statement of an attempt to find evidence of copyright (e.g., "I checked all plaques and visible markings on the statute and its pedestal where it was published, and discovered that it was published in (YEAR), but did not include the required copyright formalities. A photograph of the pedestal/plaque has been uploaded to (FILENAME)."). Might seem a bit silly to have to go through all those hoops, but as the old saying goes, "an ounce of prevention..." By the way, Mark, the case study you link to below is particularly valuable. I won't say it's comprehensive, but it's a great introduction to the issues you need to watch for. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 23:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be honest, I have avoided photography of all public art, believing that the US freedom of panorama law covered this, but I did not realize that copyright before 1978 had to be established and registered with public art as well as photos. This was very informative and I am glad I happened on the discussion.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The plaque was uploaded at the same time, it was tagged by the same person for upload at Commons, the only place that those images are currently used is User:Dennis Brown/Articles/The Chair of Thomasville, which clearly says that the work was erected in 1950. I had this same issue on Commons with Dinah the Pink Dinosaur but it was because the editor didn't understand the policy [1]. I can't help but think that the spirit of WP:BEFORE applies. My first ping was a notification to come here. I can handle policy fine, but adding a bunch of extra steps make this very unfriendly for new users and isn't supported by policy. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - *Yep.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:The Chair of Thomasville.jpg

File:The Chair of Thomasville.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Work of art in US, Later than 1923 so additional confirmation of status is needed. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that any public artwork installed before 1978 without a copyright notice is also in the public domain, just as it is on Commons. It was uploaded with the original plaque showing it was erected in 1950. File:The Chair of Thomasville plaque.jpg Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Even ignoring the copyright notice issue, that it was installed in 1950 means to be copyrighted still it would have to have been renewed at some point. An inspection of the Copyright Office records for any entries under the name "Duncan Phyfe" or for works titled "Chair of Thomasville" returned zero results. Therefore, this work is in the public domain. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep free file. See above.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::*The main thing I might advise Dennis and others to do in the future is include a standard statement of an attempt to find evidence of copyright (e.g., "I checked all plaques and visible markings on the statute and its pedestal where it was published, and discovered that it was published in (YEAR), but did not include the required copyright formalities. A photograph of the pedestal/plaque has been uploaded to (FILENAME)."). Might seem a bit silly to have to go through all those hoops, but as the old saying goes, "an ounce of prevention..." By the way, Mark, the [[:Commons:Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US|case study you link to below]] is particularly valuable. I won't say it's comprehensive, but it's a great introduction to the issues you need to watch for. —/[[User:Mendaliv|'''M'''<small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 23:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 ::::I'll be honest, I have avoided photography of all public art, believing that the US freedom of panorama law covered this, but I did not realize that copyright before 1978 had to be established and registered with public art as well as photos. This was very informative and I am glad I happened on the discussion.--[[User:Mark Miller|Mark Miller]] ([[User talk:Mark Miller|talk]]) 00:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
-:::*The plaque was uploaded at the same time, it was tagged by the same person for upload at Commons, the only place that those images are currently used is [[User:Dennis Brown/Articles/The Chair of Thomasville]], which clearly says that the work was erected in 1950. I had this same issue on Commons with [[Dinah the Pink Dinosaur]] but it was because the editor didn't understand the policy  [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Dinah_the_Pink_Dinosaur.jpg].  I can't help but think that the spirit of [[WP:BEFORE]] applies.  My first ping was a notification to come here. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis&nbsp;Brown</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User talk:Dennis Brown|2¢]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|<small>WER</small>]] 00:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
+:::*The plaque was uploaded at the same time, it was tagged by the same person for upload at Commons, the only place that those images are currently used is [[User:Dennis Brown/Articles/The Chair of Thomasville]], which clearly says that the work was erected in 1950. I had this same issue on Commons with [[Dinah the Pink Dinosaur]] but it was because the editor didn't understand the policy  [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Dinah_the_Pink_Dinosaur.jpg].  I can't help but think that the spirit of [[WP:BEFORE]] applies.  My first ping was a notification to come here. I can handle policy fine, but adding a bunch of extra steps make this very unfriendly for new users and isn't supported by policy.  [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis&nbsp;Brown</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User talk:Dennis Brown|2¢]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|<small>WER</small>]] 00:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' - *[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Public_art_and_copyrights_in_the_US Yep].--[[User:Mark Miller|Mark Miller]] ([[User talk:Mark Miller|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)