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Neutrality Edits

Many of these items were recently added by, what appears to be, an employee of the college. Algorithmatic (talk) 03:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits have greatly improved the neutrality of the article, and I currently have no complaints with it. If there is no further discussion and NPOV tag is still there in another day or two, I'll go ahead and remove it.

67.252.52.125 (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NEUTRALITY DISPUTE

Many edits made by 'Linda Soltis' between 2 Sept. 2010 and 7 Sept. 2010 add what is essentially no more than a bunch of biased garbage with 0 citations. A quick google search for Ms. Soltis reveals somebody on LinkedIn who claims to have attended Thomas Edison State College and currently works as a "Media Outreach Specialist at Thomas Edison State College".

If there is no connection between that person and the one who edited this article, then I apologize for the insinuation, but I would wager large sums of money that there is.

If you're reading this, Ms. Soltis, the main reason that I came across this page is because I was trying to get a general idea of how reputable the institution is, as I have been considering several degree options from online universities. Your willingness to cram a wikipedia article with blatantly transparent marketing verbiage and your inability to do even a 1/2 ass job of covering your tracks speak very poorly of both the school itself and your qualifications for your job title.

My Points of Objection:

"The college was aptly named..." How is that "apt"? Who cares?

"...Thomas Edison State College has emerged as an international leader in education of the highest quality for adult learners..." According to who?

"Thomas Edison State College’s history is as intriguing as its rise to the pinnacle of American higher education for adults." What? And this entire paragraph - according to who?

The entire 'History' section, really. According to who? There are 0 sources for any of this.

"The rapid progression from vision to institution illustrates two traits that have characterized Thomas Edison State College from the beginning — pioneering spirit matched by a determination to get things done." That spirit and determination apparently includes the willingness to post crap on wikipedia, and an inability to teach future Media Outreach Specialists how to source material or hide their very biased viewpoint.

"Thomas Edison State College moved into downtown Trenton in September 1979, at a time when other institutions were leaving cities." Self congratulations, not relevant, no source.

"These buildings are complemented by the modern Academic Center..." I disagree, I think the Academic Center is grossly incongruous with those other buildings. Of course, I have no sources to back up my claims, either.

"Today, Thomas Edison State College is proud to occupy the Kelsey Building and the rest of its campus buildings in Trenton as it continues its mission of providing flexible, high-quality, collegiate learning opportunities for self-directed adults, while preserving the essence of the city’s legendary past and stimulating economic development." This (one sentence) paragraph is exceptional. Exhilarating. Notable, powerful, and profound. Perhaps even distinguished. It is also full of crap adjectives and has 0 sources.

There are plenty more specifics to complain about here, but do I really need to? You should be ashamed, Ms. Soltis. Ashamed for what you attempted to do to this article, and ashamed to have learned so little from a college you paid so much money to for a degree that apparently doesn't qualify you for your job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.252.52.125 (talk) 04:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BSAST

I want to address the Bachelor of Science in Applied Science and Technology (BSAST). Many U.S. sailors who graduate from the Naval Nuclear Power School are awarded close to half of all the credits needed for the BSAST. Some things to consider.

1.TESC seems to give the most credit for this military training while many other schools refuse to acknowledge NNPTC as a source of valid credits.

2.What percentage of the students awarded the BSAST are former navy nucs (graduates of NNPTC)?

3.Why has TESC not obtained Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET) status? Could this have anything to do with the leniant standards on military training?

4.How important is it to have graduated from an ABET school?

Being a nuc myself, who is close to completing the BSAST, these issues are important to me. I hope there are others who want to shed some light on these matters.

--Hydro 00:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hydro:

I am a graduate of TESC (albeit with a Bachelor of Arts Degree) and an Alumni Ambassador. Have you directed your comments to TESC faculty and staff? If so, have you mentioned your concerns to them? I have networked with a number of people at TESC and would be willing to assist in trying to work out some answers for you to the best of my ability.

Ardicius Greenknight 26 April 2007

POV issues

Some examples:

The School of Applied Science and Technology provides students with innovative degree programs to gain expertise in the fields of the applied sciences and technology.
The School of Nursing provides students with innovative degree programs that meet the educational and career needs of licensed registered nurses who want an alternative to campus-based instruction.

The term innovative is very POV.Autarch (talk) 02:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flesh Out the History of the College

I am not an expert on the history of Thomas Edison State College, but the mere descriptive listing in this article does not provide a context for the college's historical importance. Those with more knowledge than I should write on at least the following topics:

1. The historical context for the creation of the college in the early 1970s, including (but not limited to) the involvement of ETS, the Carnegie Commission and its goal to identify and create new methods for assessing learning outside the classroom, and other public institutions formed during the same period (e.g., Empire State College)created with similar missions.

2. The development and use of portfolio assessment in addressing the mission, as well as other means to assign college credit for learning outside the classroom.

3. The evolution of the mission of the college from predominantly one of prior learning assessment into a major provider of distance education in higher education and continuing adult education.

4. The host and primary sponsor of the annual "National Institute for the Assessment of Adult Learning" (formerly the "National Institute for the Assessment of Experiential Learning"), which dates back to the 1980s.

5. The creation and development of the college's John S. Watson Institute for Public Policy.

These should be considered only a subset of key sections that should be included in the article. In my view, key figures in the evolution of the college should also be included along with their roles and the historical context in which they operated. To the extent these figures have separate Wikipedia articles, these can be referenced as appropriate.--Drbb01 (talk) 03:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 The term ''innovative'' is very POV.[[User:Autarch|Autarch]] ([[User talk:Autarch|talk]]) 02:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
+== Flesh Out the History of the College ==
+I am not an expert on the history of Thomas Edison State College, but the mere descriptive listing in this article does not provide a context for the college's historical importance. Those with more knowledge than I should write on ''at least'' the following topics:
+. The ''historical context'' for the creation of the college in the early 1970s, including (but not limited to) the involvement of ETS, the Carnegie Commission and its goal to identify and create new methods for assessing learning outside the classroom, and other public institutions formed during the same period (e.g., Empire State College)created with similar missions.
+. The development and use of portfolio assessment in addressing the mission, as well as other means to assign college credit for learning outside the classroom.
+. The evolution of the mission of the college from predominantly one of prior learning assessment into a major provider of distance education in higher education and continuing adult education.
+. The host and primary sponsor of the annual "National Institute for the Assessment of Adult Learning" (formerly the "National Institute for the Assessment of Experiential Learning"), which dates back to the 1980s.
+. The creation and development of the college's John S. Watson Institute for Public Policy.
+These should be considered only a subset of key sections that should be included in the article. In my view, key figures in the evolution of the college should also be included along with their roles and the historical context in which they operated. To the extent these figures have separate Wikipedia articles, these can be referenced as appropriate.--[[User:Drbb01|Drbb01]] ([[User talk:Drbb01|talk]]) 03:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)