Talk:All Time Low

AfD?

How does this meet the Notability requirement for an Article in Wikipedia? Briefly stated, a band needs to meet at least one of these requirements, otherwise the Article should be deleted:

• has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable, e.g., newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries
• has had a charted hit on any national music chart
• has gone on an international or national concert tour
• has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)
• has won a major music award, such as a Grammy
• has won or placed in a major music competition
• has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network

JGHowes 22:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, the first (most recently named one of Alternative Press's bands to watch in 2007 [1]) and the third (see article, many U.S. tours including the Warped Tour) requirements are met. --HarryCane 13:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I've added the significant Alternative Press "bands to watch in 2007" info. to the lead. JGHowes 20:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

And they've also had a national tour...headlining it, in fact. They're definitely worthy of their own article. 165.235.8.8 (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what happened to the article about Jack!? Mrs. Barakat

That was a borderline attack article, and besides, the guy really doensn't have much going for him beyond the band itself, so it makes more sense to put relevant information here instead. That article now redirects here. Chubbles 02:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey just wondering why theres not a pictures on here? I cant figure out how to put one, can anyone else? And what about an article on Jack? Sowrongitsjoeeeeee (talk) 00:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for putting the picture up, but what about a new picture. 69.255.115.12 (talk) 23:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger Discussion All Time Low's 2nd Record

• Agree The two articles are so short that combining them seems like a good idea JGHowes ^talk - 14:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Maria

Just wondering what their new song "dear maria" counts as. Its only one song long but itunes considers it a CD and it comes with a book. Single or CD?Sheepeh 21:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow we really need to add to this article. There's hardly anything there. --Sophiakorichi (talk) 01:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Genre - Pop?

Why is All Time Low's genre stated as simply being "Pop" in the box on the right. Surely it should be Pop-punk/alternative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.202.197 (talk) 22:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah they consider themselves and are very proud of being Pop/Punk. Sowrongitsjoeeeeee (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd call them Power Pop. Don't know where you're getting pop punk from. You clearly haven't listened to Screaching Weasel, Descdendents, or NOFX.

Those bands are punk rock though, not pop punk.

Screeching Weasel not pop punk? Okay NOFX and Descendents have some stuff that would be considered punk, but a large amount of their stuff is pop punk. Descendents have "I'm The One", "When I Get Old", "Nothing With You", "Coolidge", "Clean Sheats", "Good Good Things" and so many others. Are you gonna tell me that that's not pop punk? NOFX has "Franco Un-American", "Stickin' In My Eye", "The Brews", and many more. You have either:

a.) not listened to them before, and just found their genre classification from allmusic or wikipedia.

b.) have an incorrect view of what pop punk (or maybe punk as a whole) is in the first place.

All Time Low sounds nothing like real punk, or even pop-punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SumwhatDecent (talk • contribs) 15:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You can't call something power pop, just because its powerful. and they are certainley not alternative rock, they are more straight up rock, but the only label here is pop punk for this band.

loveyourfaith Loveyourfaith (talk) 21:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Erm.... every heard of myspace? thats were Pop Punk Comes from, althought i do agree that power pop could go in the genres too. Matt 2601 atl (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

MCR calls themselves metal on their myspace. Are they metal? No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SumwhatDecent (talk • contribs) 20:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

How about EMO? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.187.104 (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

All Time Low is not Emo. They are pop-punk. They are not pop, they are not punk, they are not powerpop...they are pop-punk. That's really where they fit best and that's what they claim to be. Well, Alex sometimes claimse they're "dirty-sweaty-fun", but I think that can translate to pop-punk as well. 12.185.22.200 (talk) 20:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

You people fuss to much over genres. Personally, I agree with the above that it isn't very appropriate to label them as pop punk but evidently they are more or less. However, they are undeniably a little emo. Just look at the way they present themselves. The hair and tight jeans speak for themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.137.84 (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

It's just guitar based pop. Calling it punk in any way is pretty insulting.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.74.239 (talk) 23:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• Okay, I just saw this band yesterday live. No way on this damned earth are they punk in any way. No way are they pop punk too. Pop Punk would mean they would have to fall in line with punk roots, with a little bit of pop in it. They don't have a little bit of pop, they have TONS of it. Just call it pop or even emo. They are like the Jonas Brothers but attract less young perverted females. I see no reason NOT to change it. Seriously, for it to be called punk is quite insulting for those bands that actually ARE punk (in any form). 98.28.163.219 (talk) 11:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

So you think your opinion is worth more than Allmusic, Alternative Press and AbsolutePunk.net? Wow... your arrogance is just sky high! Cite reliable sources, oh and don't even bother trying to remove pop punk, your edit will be reverted. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 14:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

i'd like to piont out that pop music is simply music that has a verse, chorus, verse2 sounds like verse1, chorus, bride or verse3 that sounds different, and goes back to chorus or verse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.147.212 (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Nope, The Party Scene is an album, and Put Up or Shut Up is an EP. (Lewi1989 (talk) 17:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC))

Band Members

does anyone else think that there should be articles about the band members? I tried making them before but someone kept deleting them and i don't know why. does anyone else think there should be articles about them?Matt 2601 atl (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I definitely do. They are a band that's recognized enough and at least Alex and Jack deserve their own pages. Zack and Rian tend to stay in the background more and there isn't much to say about them (that I know of), but Alex especially because he writes the songs and well...there's a lot to say about him. Same goes for Jack...just not as much as Alex. 165.235.8.8 (talk) 17:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

The reason why is because Wikipedia has criteria on what topics deserve their own article. The guideline involved is Wikipedia:Notability. For music topics, there is a secondary article discussing minimum criteria at WP:BAND. Chances are, the article was deleted because the information was not supported by independent secondary sources. Individual articles for the band members probably shouldn't be created until such an article can meet those criteria. -Verdatum (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Specifically, "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases."  JGHowes ^talk 03:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• • I see no one's going to clean up Wiki. You only want to delete the independent articles of smaller, less popular bands. No one's going to do jack shit about the Kele Okereke article or any of his band members because Bloc Party's popular. If you're going to not allow an article on Alex Gaskarth (I agree that the other members don't need their own articles, but Alex deserves one), then don't allow articles for each and every single one of Bloc Party's members. The same goes for other bands, I just don't feel like pointing them all out right now. 12.185.22.200 (talk) 19:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Well there definitely needs to be quite a bit of cleanup around Wiki because I've seen quite a few independent pages for band members that do not meet that criteria. Check Anberlin's members. Really only Stephen has the right to have his independent page. The pages for the other band members should be deleted. Also, all the guys from Bloc Party have their individual pages. Their pages simply give detailed information on their backgrounds and their personal lives along with info on the instruments they play. Those seem to be accepted. If we were to make an individual page for Alex Gaskarth that resembeled the one for Kele Okereke, would it be kept or deleted?

Isn't it Alexx?

i thought the guy's name had two x's.

No, you're wrong. His name is Alexander William Gaskarth. One X. Check their Buzznet page, which they have control of themselves. It's one X.

All Time Low's UK debutt

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This article says that All Time Low made their UK debut at the 2008 Give It A Name festival supporting the Plain White T's. This is incorrect. They did play at the 2008 GIAN fest., as did Plain White T's, but All Time Low's UK debut was back in September 2007 supporting the Plain White T's on their UK tour.

(Lewi1989 (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC))

Hi, Lewi1989! Can you give any documentation to back that up? Maybe a link to a news article? Or even something on ATL's website? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi SatyrTN. Here's a link: http://www.freewebs.com/alltimelowrock/tourdates.htm Scroll down to the bottom. There's also a piece here that speaks of it briefly: http://www.livedaily.com/news/14252.html

12.185.22.200 (talk) 20:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

General Clean Up and some fixing up

I think that over the next week I am going to try and clean up this article and find more sources for the information. Everything in the article just seems too lumped together. Mygerardromance (talk) 14:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm doing this at the moment too. Just some rewording, fixing casing. Some of it doesn't read so well. cheers, Rebecca 210.54.6.17 (talk) 04:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

All time low tours

Do they do a holiday tour every year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.26.39 (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Weightless not a single

Weightless isn't a single. They're simply showing it to us before the album comes out. I'm gonna see if I can find it, but I distinctly remember Jack (maybe it was Alex, but I'm sure it was Jack) saying that it wasn't a single.

Nope, its the single.... Its the first single off the new album, They released it shortly before starting the Believers Never die part deux tour in order to allow fans to get a taste of the new record, and build up anticipation for the release.

Yes, but that doesn't make it a single. Releasing a song to the public doesn't mean it's a single off the album. I'm gonna try to gather some evidence and present it to Kiac. TanisterATL (talk) 22:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Can we have references for this? I've seen multiple people on either side of the argument, but neither has provided a valid citation. It should be removed until evidence is added from a WP:Reliable source. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 04:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

It is a single. They have a cover and eveything. It's the first single off of Nothing Personal. Check iTunes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sctms5 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

This conversation was in April haha. Before it was confirmed! :) kiac. (talk-contrib) 04:56, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Clean Up, Correct sources?

Surely the page is due for a clean up now and any poor sources removed now? It's been tagged for ages. Most of the sources seem correct. I'm going to edit and structure the article better. (LostLikeTearsInRain) 07 July 2009

I have been intending to do it! Just haven't gotten around to it! We have semi-protection at the moment so no IP vandals to waste our time! :) k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 06:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I have completed clean up and edit. Added proper sources for charting positions and removed any improper sources. Rearranged some text to reduce introduction and moved relevant text under "History" section. (LostLikeTearsInRain - contribs) 01:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've done a lot of work on it in the last couple of days. Mocked up a neat little photomontage for the infobox (which took ages getting all of the copyright notices done!). Discog is A-okay (thinking about making it its own article). Sources are a lot stronger now, maybe one or two would help, hopefully I come across some interviews or something with the new release having come out. Tours section needs to be merged into the History section, with references. Info on the first EP and album could be extended, but we'll obviously have trouble finding any significant coverage considering they were minimal releases by teenagers. Lead needs fixing up too. Could do with a Musical Style and Influences section and possibly Critical Reception or something, just for a more extensive coverage of the topic at hand. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 12:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} Alanna Markham is not a member of the band. This needs to be deleted

76.112.239.77 (talk) 06:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done DMacks (talk) 06:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from AllTimeLydia, 22 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In the introduction on the page for the band "All Time Low" two of the members are introduced incorrectly. It is only a minor error, however the paragraph states "The band consists of vocalist and rhythm guitarist Alexander Gaskarth, lead guitarist and backing vocalist Jack Barakat...". It is true that Barakat is a backing vocalist and Gaskarth is lead vocals. It is not true however that Gaskarth is rhythm guitarist. The paragraph should state "...vocalist and lead guitarist Alexander Gaskarth, rhythm guitarist and backing vocalist Jack Barakat...". This information is correct according to the band's official Myspace music page (http://myspace.com/alltimelow).

AllTimeLydia (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done -- œ^™ 09:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)