Talk:Baekje

Facts

Hata Clan is Korean clan from Baekje Kingdom. Not Chinese or Jewish. The logic does not make sense Hata Clan migrated from BaekJe/ Kudara Kingdom but the clan came from far far away from China or Isreal????? Its says Hata clan came from Korean Kingdom Baekje Kingdom. Hata clan is Korean clan from Baekje Kingdom.

Some historical "facts" are apparently fake, would someone with a better understanding in history correct them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.77.145 (talk) 04:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

What "facts" are you referring to? --Korsentry 00:17, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Baekje and Gwangetto

it is a unrelation info.[1] Gwangetto is a King fo Gogutyeo. not baekje. Manacpowers (talk) 02:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Gwanggaeto Stele

• 而 倭 以 辛 卯 年 來 渡 海 破 百 殘 X X [X斤 (新)] 羅 以 爲 臣 民

description about Baekje.Do not ignore the history document. --Bentecbye (talk) 02:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

OK.Cleary, in Gwanggaeto Stele,百 殘 word exist. However, your edit is not relation with Baekje. if Chinese Stele mentioned Japan word, is it relation topic of Japan? Manacpowers (talk) 02:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The first Korean scholar's study was reported by Chang in 1955.(鄭寅普, 庸斎白楽濬博士還甲記念国学論叢, 1995) He supposed that the subjects of the sentence 渡海破 and 以爲臣民 are respectively Goguryeo and Baekje.

Korean scholar said Baekje.--Bentecbye (talk) 03:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

any reason that why unrelated material must be include? Manacpowers (talk) 03:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Your claim is not necessary.Korean scholar said Baekje. Jananese scholar said Baekje.Gwanggaeto Stele is necessary.--Bentecbye (talk) 03:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

What? Gwangetto is a King fo Gogutyeo. not baekje. if Chinese Stele mentioned Japan word, is it relation topic of Japan? Manacpowers (talk) 03:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Gwangetto is reason why Baekje became part of Goguryeo-Baekje alliance partner; also Baekje founder came from Goguryeo as well. Both Kingdoms are result of Buyeo migration. When Baekje Kingdom is mentioned we can't ignore Goguryeo factor. Two Kingdoms shared blood, royal lines, similar language and once served same Gods.--Korsentry 01:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

translation

隋書 東夷伝 第81巻列伝46 : 新羅、百濟皆以倭為大國，多珍物，並敬仰之，恆通使往來

• translation

Book of Sui"Silla and Baekje both take Wa to be a great country, with many rare and precious things; also [Silla and Baekje] respect and look up to them, and regularly send embassies there."

User:Kuebie　Do not describe false translation.[2]　--Bentecbye (talk) 19:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

to User:Kuebie

Why do you edit this？[3]　

Book of Sui;隋書 東夷伝 第81巻列伝46 : 新羅、百濟皆以倭為大國，多珍物，並敬仰之，恆通使往來

" Silla and Baekje take Wa (Japan) to be a big country, many rare and precious things; also [Silla and Baekje] respect and look up to them, regularly send emissary there."

"並" is also[4]. "敬仰" is respect and look up. "敬" is respect[5]. "仰 " is look up[6].

your translation[7]." Sui Dynasty says that Japan provided military support to Baekje and Silla" . Where of the source is YOUR translation written? Please Teach.--Propastop (talk) 02:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

This edit

"Most likely the origin of Japan as a state lies in Korea. "Peakche of Korea and the origin of Yamato Japan" is the standard most historians follow." This is not true. It is true that there are some historians who claim such a thing, but it is not true that "most historians follow" that claim. Who are the "most historians"? I removed these sentences because of that. This is an original research.

I find no reason to hide the information on Chinese and Japanese study on Gwanggaeto Stele. Although there are scholars who controvert the Conspiracy theories, stating only the information on Korean study on the stele is not fair.--Michael Friedrich (talk) 10:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Why would you add edited versions of Gwanggaeto Stele from China & Japan? Who study Gwanggaeto Stele the most? Koreans/Chinese/Japanese? Koreans of course. Also, There are little information to support that Yamato Japan ruled parts of Korea, why would Yamato royals served Shaman gods? Why all the Yamato archaeological evidence connects with Baekje and Gaya confederacy and Silla which is much more older than Yamato?--Korsentry 02:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

edited？ where is proof？ and that's fact Peakche and Silla sent royal hostages to Wa. advanced culture can't explain superiority on power. 61.99.38.227 (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

B. in "China"

The section starts with "Although controversial, some Chinese and Korean records indicate that Baekje territory included parts of present-day China, across the Yellow Sea," but then goes on, as far as I can tell, to only give examples that support the claim. so, what is the reason for saying that it is controversial? 07:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Because Chinese Wiki members complaint.Korsentry 03:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

Paekje Kingdom covered from Korean Peninsula, Kyushu, Kansai, Shikoku Japan, land surrouding Korea and China. Please check out wikipedia china geography site. Go down the page and you will see China cultural map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.63.207.12 (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wa's Invasion/related to Invasion records in Samguk Sagi

삼국사기 신라편(Samguk Sagi - Silla Chronicle)

• A.D 73(Talhae Isageum 17) : 왜인이 목출도를 침범해왔다. 각간 우오를 보내 물리치게 했으나 이기지 못하고, 우오는 전사했다.(Wa peoples invade Mok-chul island. king sent gak-gan Uoh for defeat them, but can't win and Uoh had been died in war.)
• A.D 123 봄 3월, 왜국과 강화했다. (in march, Silla make peace with Wa.)
• A.D 208 여름 4월, 왜적이 국경을 침범하므로 이벌찬 이음에게 군사를 주어 적을 막게 했다.(King give command of military to Ibeolchan I-eum for defend Wa army's invade to Silla's border.)
• A.D 232 여름 4월, 왜인이 갑자기 쳐들어와 금성을 포위했다.(in April, Wa suddenly invade to Silla and seige Kyongju)
• A.D 249 여름 4월, 왜인이 서불한 우로를 죽였다. (in April, Wa killed Seobulhan Uro.)
• A.D 292 여름, 왜병이 쳐들어와 사도성이 함락되었다. (in Summer, Wa army occupy Sado Castle)

• • • A.D 295 봄, 왕이 신하들에게 물었다. "왜인이 자주 우리 성읍을 침범하여 백성들이 편히 살 수 없다. 백제와 모의하여 함께 바다를 건너 왜국을 치고자 하는데 어떻겠는가" 서불한 홍권이 대답했다. "우리는 수전에 익숙지 못한데 위험을 무릅쓰고 원정하면 예측할 수 없는 위험이 있을 것이옵니다. 게다가 백제는 거짓이 많고 항상 우리 나라를 삼킬 생각을 가지고 있으니 함께 모의하기가 어려울 듯하옵니다. 왕이 옳게 여겼다.(in Summer, king said to subjects. "Wa oftenly invade our territory that cause the people's hardship. how about across sea and attack to Wa with Peakche？"Seobulhan Hong-gwon said, "we don't good at naval war and Peakche is deceitful also wants take our country, that makes allience with Peakche impossible." King concluded that opinion is right.)

it says Wa already good at naval war than Silla and Silla had a lots of invade from Wa Japan. in Samguk Sagi Silla Chronicle, their is more than 30 records about Wa's invasion.

so, I think this(↓) KPOV section is highly one-sided and even violate most believable Korean source.

[[Scholars believe that the "Nihon Shoki" gives the invasion date of Silla and Baekje as the late 4th century. However, by this time, Japan was a confederation of local tribes, while the Three Kingdoms of Korea were fully developed, centralized powers. It is very unlikely that a developing state such as Yamato had the capacity to cross the sea and engage in battles with Baekje and Silla.]]

in addition, I don't want discuss about who made this article's criterion of developing state and fully developed state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.99.38.227 (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I would question the "Wa" origin, this is the time when height of Gaya and Shilla went war.--Korsentry 06:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

I knew you want to say this chronicle's Wa means Gaya. then, I also question to you, why Silla need to across sea for attack Gaya？ 61.99.38.227 (talk) 07:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

thus, this chronicle mention Gaya and in Baekje chronicle of Samguk Sagi, it also mention Beakje allied with Wa and often attacked the Gaya. those facts doesn't mean this chronicle's Gaya is not Wa？ In my opinion, Wa is Wa.

It is last question, you don't know Gaya was also confederation state？ why you think Gaya has capacity to attack Silla but same confederation state Yamato has no ability to attack Silla？ 61.99.38.227 (talk) 08:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)