Talk:Stony Brook Independent

This entry should not be trimmed. It provides a comprehensive overview of an award-winning campus publication. "Circulation" does not figure into the equation: the Independent is primarily available online and has even made it to the front page of Google News. I don't see what the purpose of shortening this entry would be, other than making changes for the sake of making changes. Neoellinas (talk) 22:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a really long entry for a paper with rather limited circulation... even on the Stony Brook campus. I'm guessing it should be trimmed. - Steve 11/1/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.7.125 (talk) 14:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Several citations have also been added. Neoellinas 20:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I vehemently object to the deletion of this page. The Independent has won campus awards similar in prestige for its work as other campus organizations. For instance, the Buskin Journalism Committee is not an actual University body, though some of its members are University faculty or staff, and even so, the Buskin Committee still has a choice of student journalists from the other, more "recognized" campus publications to choose from for an award, yet, for two years, gave its awards exclusively to journalists from the Independent. It should also be mentioned, and this is straight from the Buskin website, that the Buskin Awards are sponsored by Newsday, which is one of the largest daily newspapers in the United Sates, and which has no ties to Stony Brook University or SPJ. Also, while SPJ was the "parent organization" of the campus chapter of SPJ, the way you have analyzed the significance of the award is wrong. SPJ does not have any control over what its student chapters do. They can do whatever they want, and indeed, some chapters are more active than others. However, many universities do have SPJ chapters, as can be seen from the SPJ Region 1 website (where Stony Brook falls): http://www.spj.org/region1.asp. Many of these chapters compete for annual awards in a number of different categories, the most prestigious of which is "Chapter of the Year." SPJ is the "parent organization" for all of these campus chapters, but that does not mean that it is under any obligation to award all of these chapters for any reason. The fact is that the Stony Brook chapter was named Region 1 campus chapter of the year, and was the only chapter from Region 1 to win such an award. See also the December 2005 edition of Quill Magazine, p. 14, or https://www.spj.org/quill_issue.asp?ref=841 (membership required). Also, see: https://www.spj.org/news.asp?ref=421. All of this tells me that the Independent is quite notable and has earned a reputation among Stony Brook University publications that is similar to the Statesman or Press, despite being much newer and less-established and despite being primarily an online publication.

The Independent is credentialed by the University with the same credentials received by the Press and Statesman. It is officially recognized by the student government (http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/sac/media#independent), and the School of Journalism. In fact, when students in the School of Journalism have a choice of which campus publication to write for, as part of their class and degree requirements, the Independent is a perfectly valid and acceptable choice, and one which many students have chosen. The Independent's staff size is also comparable to that of the Statesman, its more established competitor. The Statesman no longer lists its staff list on its website, however, a search of articles from the past semester will turn up the names of its writers and editors, which can then be compared to: http://www.sbindependent.org/staff. Certainly, a "fringe," "non-notable" publication should have trouble attracting writers and editors, compared to an established competitor, yet we see that this is not the case. That is because the Independent is not a fringe, non-notable publication.

It is also rather unfair to propose deletion of the article based on a lack of citations, when articles for the Statesman and Press are also in need of citations (especially the article on the Stony Brook Statesman), yet are not deleted due to some people's subjective view of which publication is "notable" and which is not. Outside coverage? Check this out: http://www.sbstatesman.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=903e4f19-aa5f-4032-bcfe-3d178e05fe3a. and http://thestonybrookpress.com/?q=node/489. Here, the Independent's main competitors recognize the Independent and cite it in their very own articles. In addition, here's another online publication at Stony Brook, the Asian American E-Zine (which, incidentally, has existed for many more years than the Independent and is also officially recognized by the University), referencing the Independent: http://www.aa2sbu.org/aaezine/articles/vol12/N9ElectionFioreRosenfeld.shtml. Other places where the Independent has been referenced, based on a very quick Google search:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/23/1237256&from=rss http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/24/17048/677 http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2007/05/dhs_daily_report_2007-05-22.pdf http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php/email/words/index.php?id=536 (third link from the top) http://www.blackcrowes.com/BOAF_INFO.htm http://www.911ea.org/News_Stories_from_April_2006.htm http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2006_04_16_fosblogarchive.html http://www.msmagazine.com/news/printnews.asp?id=9585 http://www.positiveuniverse.com/2005/June/TheDowningStreetMemo.html http://www.ticketfinder.com/angels_and_airwaves_tickets.html http://digg.com/users/Toniee/news/dugg/page7 http://www.theautoshow.info/2007/04/ http://www.attrition.org/dataloss/2007/05/stony01.html http://schema-root.org/region/asia/southwest_asia/afghanistan/us_bases/bagram/ http://studenttravel.about.com/b/a/257479.htm http://wool.tradeworlds.com/section_31_489.html http://www.music.lt/?groups;id.939 http://www.jwj.org/news/updates/2006/10.html https://www.learnprivacy.com/Calendar_of_Events.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_and_Fez http://withoutirony.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:u7_W4S-l4v0J:procurement.oregon.gov/DAS/EISPD/ESO/InfoSecNews_2007_05_23.shtml+%22stony+brook+independent%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=30&gl=us&client=firefox-a (article cached by Google) http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:p2SxZ6xJUkYJ:www.infowatch.com/threats%3Fchapter%3D148831545%26tnews%3D149034136%26page%3D2+%22sbindependent%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us&client=firefox-a (cached by Google)

And this in addition to the Independent's articles appearing on the front page of Google News, beating out articles from much more well known media organizations. The Press and the Statesman cannot claim to have a similar achievement.

Neoellinas 19:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)