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Large margins of the Iranian peoples

The estimates vary. (By the way I have counted the different estimates and they were not as large as White Cat says, but OK) Not in all countries censuses are taken in which ethnicity is asked, so for an elaborate discussion on numbers you should go to the demographics of those countries mentioned. I myself have named a few sources for my edits the Soviet census of 1989 and ethnologue, all the other numbers are based on sources too. Margins are large because we are dealing with estimates in a large number of countries. I do not see the problem. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A fair point. But let's keep the discussion to one place (Talk:Iranian peoples) - you say the same thing there, so I have replied there. Neıl ☎ 11:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dane Rauschenberg

Thank you for administratively closing the AfD on fiddy2. However, the subsequent editing has been the source of great frustration. As you know, User:fiddy2, who has since identified himself as Dane's brother Greg, posted a lot of this material in the Dane Rauschenberg and fiddy2 articles. When you closed the merger, you wisely stated, "Feel free to edit down as required." However, any attempt at ending this excessive self-promotion is immediately changed by IP address editors, or User:Alansohn. I think we need a neutral third party to take a stab at cutting down all of this non-notable (and by any objective measure mediocre) running autobiography. Please help. Xcstar (talk) 02:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm. I don't think there can be any quibbles that the guy is notable, even if he is a self-publicist, and even if he made a relatively lame amount of money for running 52 marathons, and even though a bunch of people have managed far more impressive feats around multiple marathons. There's been a veritable crapload of media coverage. I've given it a good editing, though. Neıl ☎ 09:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your efforts, although Dane's advocates have done some back-sliding since. I guess my concern is that the article has held Wikipedia up for ridicule in some running circles. Do you think the wikitable is appropriate? (The data was entered by Gregg Rauschenberg.)identifying himself as user Fiddy2 Cal Ripken played in a streak of 2,632 baseball games, but we do not have a wikitable listing the circumstances of each of those games. I think that the table is over-the-top. Thanks again. Xcstar (talk) 22:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again. You changes were a big improvement. As expected your change was reverted, and I reverted it back. Xcstar (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parrot

I feel that you have closed the discussion on the name of Sun Parakeet or Sun Conure when discussion was still in progress. Snowman (talk) 10:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion had been going on for almost a month, and only yourself and Casliber were in opposition to the move. If there were any other points you needed to raise, I would imagine you would have raised them at some point in the last 3 weeks. This is why Requested Moves gets backlogged, because the closing administrator simply cannot win, thus nobody wants to help out there. For the reader, the link is Talk:Sun Parakeet. Neıl ☎ 10:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Repost of Aggrotech

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Aggrotech, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Aggrotech was previously deleted as a result of an articles for deletion (or another XfD)

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Aggrotech, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. To see the user who deleted the page, click here CSDWarnBot (talk) 01:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are misusing your job as administrator. Delete this redirect or i'll report your arbitrary edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.19.101 (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've suggested that this page be redirected to List_of_post-industrial_music_genres_and_related_fusion_genres#Aggrotech. It provides enough information about the genre, making a dedicated article unnecessary. The current redirect, Industrial Music, does not provide any information on the subject. Sovex (talk) 00:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of Christian, Jewish, and Messianic terms‎

Just in case you don't ~~stalk~~ watchlist my talkpage, I feel there wasn't a strong consensus either way, though there were definitely some significant problems pointed out by those opining delete and enough irregularities that I nearly just relisted it for a fresh AFD. I'd be fine with a deletion review of my close. There was enough wackiness at that AFD that I perhaps should have just followed my first instinct and relisted it.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That RfC thing again

Hello Neil. I just wanted to remark that I (along with many others) agree with your opinion, but I wonder if you meant to use 'harass' in the normal sense or in the WP:HARASS sense when you mentioned it in the text. I understand it seems like splitting hairs, but thought you may want to consider clarifying there if necessary. Thanks, Epthorn (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the normal sense of the word (repeated threatening behaviour toward an individual). Neıl ☎ 10:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your clarification although I assume that hotlinking it means you also believe it is WP:HARASS. Epthorn (talk) 12:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are they not the same thing? Neıl ☎ 12:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History of computer hardware in Soviet Bloc countries

Everything's been very busy... Looks like you did a pretty good job of fixing many of the errors on the page. I just went through and fixed a few more. There are still a few places where it is a little awkward though. Dustybunny (talk) 02:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:HARASS?

Hi Neil, I saw that you edited your previous comment in the Kmweber RFC and was hoping you could clarify something. You pipelinked "harass" to WP:HARASS#Threats, which I am confused about. The guideline reads: "Threatening another person is considered harassment. This may include threats to harm another person, to disrupt their work on Wikipedia, or to otherwise hurt them. Legal threats are considered a special case, with their own settled policy. Users who make legal threats will typically be blocked from editing indefinitely, while legal threats are outstanding." What, if any, physical-, legal- or work-related threats were made against Kmweber? This is a serious question, I'm not being facetious - just wanted to check and see. Thanks, bwowen talk•contribs 11:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt was being warned he could be blocked, banned from participating in RFA discussions, and subject to various other remedies if he did not change his behaviour. These were threats to disrupt his work on Wikipedia. They were particularly unfair as his RFA commenting had already been okayed by a previous RFC. Neıl ☎ 11:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for the clarification. bwowen talk•contribs 19:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My Hero

I just have to tell you that, for reasons I can't politically disclose on wiki, that you are my wiki-hero. Keep fighting the good fight! Takenages (talk) 21:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Although now I'm intrigued as to why as I've never been a hero before... you can always email me if you want to keep it on the downlow. :) Neıl ☎ 22:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption

Do you know when you might have an adoption slot open? I'm not in a big hurry or anything.Landcamera900 (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on holiday soon - if I forget to drop you a line in the New Year, poke me on this page. Neıl ☎ 15:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of religion

Neil, could you also protect Origins of religion as per this--I believe you only protected Origin in the singular. Thanks.PelleSmith (talk) 15:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. Done! Neıl ☎ 15:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Neil, I think that you have acted prematurely and you have not even gotten to hear my side of the story. I have a reasonable argument that has that other editors have expressed support for. See Anthropology talk page. I posted comments there so that I could get input from editors who are actually specialized or experts in Anthropology. I think that there was valid conversations on the talk page that have been deleted, that for the sake of conversation, I would like the discussions to be retrieved. Muntuwandi (talk) 16:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Muntuwandi went ahead and recreated the page. Cheers.PelleSmith (talk) 20:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some comment here for which I would appreciate a response. Muntuwandi (talk) 22:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

It is refreshing to know that at least one administrator understands that consensus is based on reasons, not votes. I am guessing that if someone else had come along to close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hydran Kingdom (2nd nomination), the result would be no consensus or keep—simply because there were 5 keep votes and 4 delete votes. Punctured Bicycle (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help?

Neil,

I noticed you have stepped back from the Origin of religion situation and I don't blame you. I was wondering, however, if you could help me with something related to this mess. Muntuwandi didn't just recreate that page but proceeded to again wipe out information from another entry Prehistoric religion and then to change the name to Neolithic religion to reflect the new content which no longer contains any information about the Paleolithic since he removed all of that information. While I can restore the Paleolithic information I've been working on I can't seem to move the page back to its previous title. I get an error when I try. Do you know what I can do. Thanks.PelleSmith (talk) 13:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You have to have the admin buttons to move an article to a "non-red-link" location (such as where a redirect now sits). Neıl ☎ 14:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Prehistoric_religion#Consensus, I have posted some comments here if you have any time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muntuwandi (talk • contribs) 17:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: (User talk:ais523) Protection

There are two ways to do it. The lazy way involves placing JavaScript into MediaWiki:Sysop.js, which any admin can do, to automatically prefill the relevant textbox when the action=protect page loads; probably asking on MediaWiki talk:Common.js is the best way to find someone to write the script. Prefilling the box could also be done by the servers, but that would require a software change and a bugzilla report; that would be marginally more efficient and also work for admins who had JavaScript turned off. Hope that helps! --ais523 09:58, 20 December 2007 (U T C)

Muntuwandi unblock request

Ryulong has blocked User:Muntuwandi indefinitely after seeing him on multiple AN/I threads, "never in a positive light". In his unblock request, he has requested that you and another admin look it over as you are, he says, more familiar with the case. Could you? Daniel Case (talk) 05:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'll take a look. Neıl ☎ 10:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

some comments have been posted at User_talk:Muntuwandi#Consensus_can_change. Systemicbias (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Neil, Muntuwandi (talk) 16:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Romulan and Hydran SFB pages

Hello, I'd like to ask you to reconsider these decisions on Romulan_Star_Empire_(Star_Fleet_Universe) and [[Hyrdran Romulan_Star_Empire_(Star_Fleet_Universe)

1 They went against consensus. While the delete requests are not a vote, the sense of those involved was that having a vote again after one month was bogus. I personally didn't choose to make any other arguments because I felt it was so clearly bogus that no more effort was needed.
2 as posted on the discussion: "Renominations: After a deletion debate concludes and the page is kept, users should allow a reasonable amount of time to pass before nominating the same page for deletion again, to give editors the time to improve the page. Renominations shortly after the earlier debate are generally closed quickly. It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hopes of getting a different outcome." One month, during the holidays, is not a lot of time.

If the policy of #2 is just ignored, you are encouraging people to bring these nominations up even more than they currently do. Hobit (talk) 23:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hobit. I just logged on very quickly to leave a note saying I am now away til early Jan. I appreciate your point but I closed it correctly in my view. I don't have perfect judgement - nobody does - so I'll point you towards Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Thanks. Hobit (talk) 14:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Away

I'm on a wikibreak now. If anyone needs me for anything, you'll just have to wait - I won't be checking my email, either. Merry Christmas everybody, I'll be back in early January. Neıl ☎ 08:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppetry in AFD

Good evening, Neil. One of the participants in an AFD you recently closed has since been confirmed as a sockpuppet of another participant in the discussion. Both accounts have now been indef-blocked. I don't know if you'd make the decision any differently but wanted to make sure you had all the available facts. Thanks.

By the way, thank you for your comment at Talk:Sapere aude. I did my best to respond there. Rossami (talk) 08:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Rescue

Template:Rescue has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Benjiboi 21:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Me too! :) Cheers, Master of Puppets ^{Care to share?} 03:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Vyner Brooke

Re. your moving this page. I agree that most users seemed to be against Vyner of Sarawak, however I certainly thought there was a growing consensus towards incorporating his monarchical title, especially considering almost all other monarchs on Wiki. do not have their surnames mentioned. Further to this the article misleadingly is entitled Charles Vyner Brooke, even though he was not known by his first name Charles. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 12:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right; I don't know anything about the subject other than what I garnered from the discussion (with no preconceptions, I simply closed the discussion as fairly as I could). There can always be further discussion on the talk page on whether his monarchic title ought to be strung on the end of the article name. Neıl ☎ 12:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup

Hi there, I noticed you expressed interest in the Birmingham meetup last October. Just letting you know, another UK meetup is in planning stages, here. We need input on where and when we will meet so comments would be much appreciated. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on 20,000

Congratulations on your 20,000^th edit! We haven't interacted, but I've seen your good work and calm good judgement lots of places. Well done. --Reuben (talk) 19:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption

Hey Neil,

ok so here's the deal: I'm very new to this wikipedia world and have been trying for some time now to edit some MTV Canada Host Profiles which were up are running perfectly until I messed around with it and are noe being deleted. YIKES! I know you probably dont have time for this fairly large project however after reading almost everyone's wikipedia ad to adopt sad sorry lameO's like myself I'd thought I'd ask. Are you interested? Jamierush (talk) 18:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Jamie[reply]

Sorry Jamie, someone further up asked me first. I will see if they still need me. Neıl ☎ 09:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I guess your back, I am a little busy with finals right now, so I'd be fine with you lending them a hand. I'm too busy to even start right now as it is, We can start after you're done helping them.Landcamera900 (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

email

Hi, saw you on the admin list and I needed help so I emailed you something. did you get my email? Tkguy (talk) 00:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep! Neıl ☎ 09:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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-:::: Hi I guess your back, I am a little busy with finals right now, so I'd be fine with you lending them a hand. I'm too busy to even start right now as it is, I'd be fine with starting after you're done helping them.[[User:Landcamera900|Landcamera900]] ([[User talk:Landcamera900|talk]]) 16:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
+:::: Hi I guess your back, I am a little busy with finals right now, so I'd be fine with you lending them a hand. I'm too busy to even start right now as it is, We can start after you're done helping them.[[User:Landcamera900|Landcamera900]] ([[User talk:Landcamera900|talk]]) 16:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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