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Please oh please. When we know who Harris' veep successor-to-be is. Let's <u>not</u> change "Incumbent" to "Outgoing", in Harris' infobox. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
Please oh please. When we know who Harris' veep successor-to-be is. Let's <u>not</u> change "Incumbent" to "Outgoing", in Harris' infobox. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
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this article is biased towards the left, Trump will win 100% [[User:Benjamins5320|Benjamins5320]] ([[User talk:Benjamins5320|talk]]) 02:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Harris` interview on Fox News...
should be added, because of the clarification of her political positions. My poposal (without links to sources):
On October 16, 2024, during the presidential campaign, Harris took the opportunity to clarify her political position during an interview on Fox News Channel. “Anchorman” Bret Baier, who made the interview highly confrontational, turned it into a sometimes heated debate and raised questions related to illegal immigration, transgender health care for prisoners, and tax relief. On the important issue of the threat to American democracy, „the enemy from within”, Harris corrected the questioner and also stated that her presidency was not a continuation of Joe Biden’s presidency. She stands for a new generation and will bring her own ideas and experiences into office. In doing so, she has made it clear that she wants “not a repeat of Donald Trump, not the continuation of Joe Biden, but something new”. Peter Christian Riemann (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing to suggest that this interview will be regarded as an important moment in all of Harris' life. It might merit some mention on 2024 Kamala Harris presidential campaign. No need to refer to Baier as "the questioner", just use his surname. 331dot (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- i feel that it was a de facto second debate with a trump surrogate Nohorizonss (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also this seems more about her campaign, so should be three, is anywhere. Slatersteven (talk) 13:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- But wherever (if anywhere) it ends up, it certainly can't be saying stuff like
She stands for a new generation and will bring her own ideas and experiences into office. In doing so, she has made it clear that [whatever]
in WP's voice. EEng 05:49, 24 October 2024 (UTC)- If so , the political positions article needs to be updated too Nohorizonss (talk) 07:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's not appropriate language; I think it should go on the presidential campaign page, as it won't seem very significant on the main page in a year's time. 300AD (talk) 21:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- But wherever (if anywhere) it ends up, it certainly can't be saying stuff like
Coconut tree and accent
I fail to see the significance of this content in the article. In fact, I don't even the the point of either paragraph. They seem to be nothing more than standard, insanely shallow political nonsense. HiLo48 (talk) 23:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 I think it relates fairly well under 'public image'. Yeah, some of it seems stupid, but I think that weirdly enough, it concerns people enough to have them feel differently about her. Honestly, I see no harm in having it. The article can have the facts and people can form their own opinion of the political weirdness from it. Coulomb1 (talk) 02:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's just a single opinion piece by a right-leaning talking head dismissing the idea. If, as you say, it
concerns people enough to have them feel differently about her
, you should be able to find WP:SUSTAINED non-opinion coverage of it emphasizing its significance to her public image; but right now, the coverage makes it seem more like a single failed barb by Vance that failed to land. For articles on subjects this prominent, we don't cover every single political zinger that fell flat - only ones that got enough traction to have significant secondary coverage. --Aquillion (talk) 02:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's just a single opinion piece by a right-leaning talking head dismissing the idea. If, as you say, it
A "consensus" based on an all-too-brief discussion
user:Antony-22 has interpreted this discussion to establish a consensus for including racial categories such as Afro-Jamaican or dubious ethnic categories such as Indian-American in the lead paragraph of this article. The discussion, in which four editors participated, lasted but two days (October 1 to October 3). The first three respondents (user:Jack Upland, user:JohnAdams1800 and user:Valereee didn't exactly agree with the user:Antony-22's proposal.
On the heels of an exhaustive RfC—which had begun on July 31 and was closed by user:S Marshall on September 26 and in which there was little support for including racial categories of descent—to claim that such a brief and perfunctory discussion constitutes a consensus for revision is a slap in the face of the RfC participants (who had cited dozens of sources). I have therefore undone user:Antony-22's changes in the lead. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- We had an RFC, a discussion had between 4 editors can't overturn that. Slatersteven (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Antony-22's edit should be reverted and not reinstated.—S Marshall T/C 16:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- In agreement with Fowler&fowler's revert, as it maintains the RFC result. GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
I won't edit the lead again. But I do want to point out that the RfC was specifically about the "Black" vs. "African-American" terminology, and there wasn't discussion there about whether to use "Afro-Jamaican". As I've mentioned, some readers seem to not be aware that Black Jamaicans have ancestors from Africa and aren't fully indigenous, and my intent was just that a link to Afro-Jamaicans somewhere prominent helps our readers learn that if they're not aware of it. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 23:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- And African-Americans are none of those? Slatersteven (talk) 11:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Incumbent, until Jan 20, 2025
Please oh please. When we know who Harris' veep successor-to-be is. Let's not change "Incumbent" to "Outgoing", in Harris' infobox. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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this article is biased towards the left, Trump will win 100% Benjamins5320 (talk) 02:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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