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Former American politician. [[User:Sirpsa|Sirpsa]] ([[User talk:Sirpsa|talk]]) 03:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
Former American politician. [[User:Sirpsa|Sirpsa]] ([[User talk:Sirpsa|talk]]) 03:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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{{Not done}} She lost reelection, no indication she has retired from politics. [[User:Safiel|Safiel]] ([[User talk:Safiel|talk]]) 04:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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MAHSA Act
@Innisfree987 The discussion regarding the MAHSA Act happened here: User talk:IranianDiaspora#Cori Bush
If there is no objections, can you please move it back. IranianDiaspora (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see "consent to add it back". I oppose a mere mention of voting against the MAHSA Act unless (1) you can demonstrate that the vote is significant enough to add to her biography, given all of the votes that she takes that don't get added, and (2) it includes some statement from her about why she voted as she voted. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Voting records that are relatively unique are used on most politician's pages. She was one of the three individuals out of 435 representatives to vote no on the bill. I am feeling uncomfortable for the dual standard being applied here because of my nationality. Just the line above my post was another voting record and there is't this kind of scrutiny and/or arbitrary requirements. This is a piece of information that is not only important to the Americans but also the people in the Middle East whether they support it or not. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- This has nothing to do with your nationality. Well, whether or not to include the content doesn't, but it does seem that your nationality is highly influencing your behavior here. There are tons of votes that go this way (430-3 or so), and you haven't demonstrated why you think that this is
important to the Americans but also the people in the Middle East
– Muboshgu (talk) 21:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)- My nationality is not highly influencing my behavior but being targeted is. My addition first got reverted for not having secondary sources which I understood and complied with, then I was baselessly accused of Islamophobia which had nothing to do with this or her and now I see there are higher standards for adding a line about her foreign policy decision. If this was about the Russian president sanctions for example (which I can find references that by no means comply with your standards), I would never have been challenged or labeled like this. IranianDiaspora (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- There are many policies and explanatory essays here. One important piece of the policy on verifiability is that verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Just because Bush voted on the bill doesn't mean that we have to include it. We have to measure the WP:WEIGHT of the vote. Since I don't see any mainstream U.S. publications covering it, I don't think it's DUE to include. Her stances on the Russian invasion may well have more significant coverage and could be due. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Nail and a sledge hammer. I am not suggesting a theory or alleging anything strange (like flat-earth, etc), I backed it with resources but hey, they are not from Pulitzer prize winning authors that the mainstream media covers.
- You can feel proud of yourself from suppressing the voice of a minority. Good luck IranianDiaspora (talk) 02:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed, this is harassment 173.67.0.225 (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- My nationality is not highly influencing my behavior but being targeted is. My addition first got reverted for not having secondary sources which I understood and complied with, then I was baselessly accused of Islamophobia which had nothing to do with this or her and now I see there are higher standards for adding a line about her foreign policy decision. If this was about the Russian president sanctions for example (which I can find references that by no means comply with your standards), I would never have been challenged or labeled like this. IranianDiaspora (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- If you look at the edit history you’ll see that on November 11, I made five edits cutting back material that similarly lacked indication of significance so the allegation this is about nationality is baseless. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- This has nothing to do with your nationality. Well, whether or not to include the content doesn't, but it does seem that your nationality is highly influencing your behavior here. There are tons of votes that go this way (430-3 or so), and you haven't demonstrated why you think that this is
- Voting records that are relatively unique are used on most politician's pages. She was one of the three individuals out of 435 representatives to vote no on the bill. I am feeling uncomfortable for the dual standard being applied here because of my nationality. Just the line above my post was another voting record and there is't this kind of scrutiny and/or arbitrary requirements. This is a piece of information that is not only important to the Americans but also the people in the Middle East whether they support it or not. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Discussion on personal talk pages don’t imply consensus especially not when multiple editors have reverted your change; you need to have the discussion on the entry’s talk page where all interested editors can participate. Additionally, voting records are not sufficient basis for inclusion, per WP:NOR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Thank you for pointing to the problems with the Barbara Lee page; I have removed the original research there too. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- As to the secondary sources cited, the All Arab News appears to be a solo blog with no indication of a fact-checking process or editorial oversight, and is therefore not a reliable source. The auto translation of the Independent Persian is too poor for me to be able to see whether it is a fact-checked source. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- I can cross out the All Arab News and instead put the roll call as a third reference. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023384
- You might be able to get a much better result if you try the Independent Persian content on chat gpt and ask for it to translate it. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Respectfully I have to argue that this reflects on her foreign policy (more specifically with Iran), and perhaps her views on targeted sanctions on individuals. IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- That’s your opinion. For inclusion on WP, we need independent WP:Secondary sources indicating the significance. The roll call is a primary source and we do not indiscriminately include every vote people make in Congress—only the ones secondary sources show to be significant. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Can this be used as secondary sources? https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/09/13/iran-proxies-have-rained-hell-us-house-passes-trio-bills-targeting-islamic-republic/ Also, were you able to verify it using Independent Persian which has an editorial oversight process? IranianDiaspora (talk) 21:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- That’s your opinion. For inclusion on WP, we need independent WP:Secondary sources indicating the significance. The roll call is a primary source and we do not indiscriminately include every vote people make in Congress—only the ones secondary sources show to be significant. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- As to the secondary sources cited, the All Arab News appears to be a solo blog with no indication of a fact-checking process or editorial oversight, and is therefore not a reliable source. The auto translation of the Independent Persian is too poor for me to be able to see whether it is a fact-checked source. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Are there any sources on why she voted against it? Did she put out any statements about it? I'm not opposed to it being on her page, but it doesn't seem to be a very notable vote, but I could be wrong. Catboy69 (talk) 15:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Healing claim
Thoughts on inclusion of her claim that she performed a miracle by removing a homeless woman's tumors by touching her. She wrote it in her 2022 biography "Forerunner" and stated it again in a 2022 interview with Margaret Hoover on PBS.The One I Left (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Listen if a person claims to perform a miracle and it's reported on that should easily be in their biography. 65.194.76.18 (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even if its a lie 173.67.0.225 (talk) 03:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2024
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Former American politician. Sirpsa (talk) 03:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done She lost reelection, no indication she has retired from politics. Safiel (talk) 04:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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