Talk:De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball

Requested move 25 June 2024

• De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball → De La Salle Green Archers volleyball
• De La Salle Lady Spikers volleyball → De La Salle Lady Archers volleyball
• De La Salle Lady Booters football → De La Salle Lady Archers football
• UST Golden Spikers volleyball → UST Growling Tigers volleyball
• UST Golden Tigresses volleyball → UST Tigresses volleyball
• UST Lady Booters football → UST Tigresses football

– The above existing pages have titles that do emulate the placement of a disambiguating sports descriptor after the team name, per WP:QUALIFIER. This style of adding descriptors has been prescribed by example by, among other similar college-sports WikiProjects, this page under WP:CBBALL and this page under WP:CFB for titles of pages about United States college teams. Clearly, these descriptors were prescribed in order to naturally disambiguate (by WP:NATURAL) a page about a team playing a certain sport from pages about namesake teams that are playing in other sports.

In each of the team pages above being requested for moving, however,

1) the team name used is not that of its institution's team's uniform or collective name but the special nickname or unique moniker given to that specific team playing in its sport, so much so that the need for disambiguation disappears.

2) what is produced by the addition of a disambiguating sport descriptor after the team's special nickname is a redundancy. For example, there are no other De La Salle Green Spikers other than the De La Salle Green Archers team playing men's volleyball. For having a redundant title, the page's title then creates WP:OVERPRECISION and breaches the WP:CONCISE rule. That, however, can be salvaged by replacing the special moniker with the institution's team's uniform or collective name, a replacement which is what would have the need for disambiguation and erase the redundancy. Bagoto (talk) 09:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• I note that articles of this type are somewhat common in U.S. college athletics on the women's level. For instance, Texas Tech Lady Raiders basketball — the women's basketball program at Texas Tech — is the only one styled "Lady Raiders" (see, e.g. Texas Tech Red Raiders softball). That said, it seems that there are more variations in nickname in Philippine athletics than in the U.S. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  The article about the Texas Tech Red Raiders includes in its content the Texas Tech Lady Raiders, at least in its opening sentence. Now, if it so happened that Texas Tech's women's teams were all called Lady Raiders, it'd only be logical to provide or use a disambiguating sport descriptor on the title of an article about any of these women's teams. However, since it seems that it's only Texas Tech's women's basketball team that calls itself the "Lady Raiders", then that appellation should be treated as a unique nickname for that team. Therefore Texas Tech Lady Raiders basketball should be moved to "Texas Tech Red Raiders women's basketball" per WP:CONSISTENT. Bagoto (talk) 04:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose all as failing the most basic WP:NC. DLSU's volleyball teams called the Spikers, and the other teams are called that way by WP:RS. The proposal is invented nomenclature (in other words, WP:OR). We use US NCAA naming conventions as a rough guide, but should not adopt it word for word as Philippine naming conventions for varsity sports teams evolved on its own. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)