User talk:Appraiser

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Barnstar

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		Thought you could use this for all your efforts -- I'm pretty new at this and I've edited behind or ahead of you a few times and you probably don't know it - but I'm learning a lot from you. :) Just wanted to say Hi!...and thanks!  :) Cricket02 22:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC) I second that barnstar. Excellent summary of the Minnesota climate article. Much appreciated! -Ravedave (help name my baby) 04:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Minnesota articles

Thanks for that link. I've added a few to the Project Minnesota group. Since you've done this a few times, can you take a look at these two articles and stick a rating on them? Armistice Day Blizzard & 1883 Rochester Tornado. Thanks! Gopher backer 05:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Klobuchar photo

In order to avoid a minor revert war, I sent an e-mail to amy@amyklobuchar.com as listed on the campaign site, asking permission to use a photo. It might not be active anymore, but it's worth a try. Maybe they will offer something better than that snapshot someone posted. It's not bad as free photos go, but it's not exactly Senatorial. Wahkeenah 06:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• So you're saying that if somebody on her site says "go ahead", they might be overstepping their authority? Wahkeenah 18:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

My edit of Image:Stanthonyrecession.jpg

I hope you don't mind - but I just photoshopped your photograph of the image to make it more diagram like. I hope you don't mind. Regards, Megapixie 12:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• If somebody had unlimited money, it would be interesting to try to "rebuild" the waterfall the way it looked when Father Hennepin first saw it. As if the settlers didn't screw up that waterfall enough as it was. :) Wahkeenah 18:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • The stone arch bridge to its original state? You mean put the stones back in the quarry? Wahkeenah 18:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

If you have a peep in the bottom right hand corner of the original image - you'll see a credit on the picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/f/f7/20061227123846%21Stanthonyrecession.jpg . In answer to the second part of the question. The most general case is that it's okay to photograph and post public domain images. This image is public domain because it is the work of the US Army (and thus public domain). This is a really complicated topic - if you have specific cases I can help - but otherwise it's best to read through the copyright policy pages. Megapixie 23:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Now that's just wrong. The work itself is definately copyright and should not be on the commons. It could be used as fairuse in the article. Gah. I'll try and get it scrubbed from the commons - or transwiki'd to here. It's the same principle as going into a Cinema with a video camera... Megapixie 00:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Death penalty

I'm not too keen on the death penalty, but I wonder what would have been the better way to deal with John Wayne Gacy? Wahkeenah 18:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• The primary reason I generally oppose the death penalty is because it's applied "capriciously and abitrarily", as some have put it. I also don't agree with the "beyond a reasonable doubt" theory. It should be "beyond all doubt", which would probably reduce the number of executions, or maybe redistribute them. In some ways, it's like putting someone "out of their misery" (and ours). In the case of Gacy, there was absolutely no doubt, and people grew to hate him because of his ego and defiance. He abused the legal system to postpone his execution as long as possible, and that's why there was a small army of people cheering in Joliet that night. I contrast that with a guy like Dahmer, who was in some ways a sympathetic figure. In a moment of contrition rare for serial killers, he said at the sentencing that he wished he were dead. He was eventually murdered by an inmate, so in a way he got his wish. However, maybe lifetime incarceration with hard labor and/or little or no normal human contact, basically a living hell, is a better punishment in some sense. But is that really a punishment for a narcissist like the BTK guy? 'Tis a puzzlement. But one thing I am certain of: Our continual and relatively wide usage of the death penalty does nothing to enhance our nation's image around the world, and overall I think that's more important than whether we kill the Gacy's of the world or let them rot in prison. OK, end of lecture. :) Wahkeenah 22:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Atheism

I asked someone once about this subject, and they said the burden of proof for the existence of God is on those who claim He (or She or It) exists. Atheists don't claim anything and don't have to prove anything. I think that defines it well. I used to be an atheist, but I gave it up. No holidays. (Insert rimshot here... and blame Henny Youngman for that one). Wahkeenah 18:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• Your views on this matter are well-written, and get to the core of what the problem is with religion, that it's often an extension of earth-bound authority. God invented humans just to have beings to worship Him? Makes no sense. I like what Stephen Jay Gould once said: Man is the only animal that worries about the future, so he invented God (or gods) to take care of the future for him. Wahkeenah 22:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Campbell's Soup Cans

Firstly I should point out that only the picture that you mentioned had the inappropriate tag which I admit to not noticing but all of the other have proper fair use tags. I passed this article because I felt that it mostly meets the good article criteria. However you can have the final choice on what can be done to the article. A few possible suggestions would be to:

• Remove the picture from the article.
• Remove the article from the GA list.
• Send the article for a GA review
• Or Be bold and fix the problems yourself

Hope this helps you make a decision. Tarret 14:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Twin Cities Tornado Outbreak of 1965

I'm not competely sure, but it must be. That's the only thing that particluar user has added to wikipedia. Gopher backer 01:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I-94 Interchanges

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article I-94 Interchanges, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. -- • master_son^{Lets talk} 04:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a courtesy notification. This is per Wikipedia: WikiProject U.S. Interstate Highways/Exit list guide. It states in brief that exit list should go on articles sorted by state if the main article gets too large. In this particular case, I-94 did get too large. Thank you for your effort. -- • master_son^{Lets talk} 04:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Current events

Appraiser, many thanks for your welcome to the Minnesota WikiProject. Do you think this news item about Keith Ellison looks all right? I am sort of new to Wikipedia. (P.S. Can you possibly reply here instead of on my talk page?) Best wishes. -Susanlesch 15:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

That looks good, Although I don't know about the apostrophe. (Qur'an) Is it preferred? The news sources didn't use it. I've also seen news sources using Koran. (not my area of expertise) Appraiser 16:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for checking it over. I don't know either. It said Quran, and then I copied the apostrophe from the Wikipedia article, which might have some consensus. -Susanlesch 23:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Broad Run High School thank you

Thank you for your support of Broad Run High School's nomination to GA status. A number of contributors worked hard on the article and we're proud of the recognition. Also, thanks for your improvement suggestions and editing. We'll work on the commas now.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 08:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I now owe you a double-dose of thanks: (1) I misunderstood your recommendation on image sizes and thought pixels should be specified; and (2) thank you for cluing me into the image tilt parameter!! —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 04:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

img:Mnsf.jpg

You can delete it, I took it of the Minnesota State fair page. Sorry for the trouble.

--Sabeen557 00:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Minnesota Wikiproject

I should be able to help out with that, however I've got a lot of stuff going on and may not have a lot of time to work on it. But next time I get a chance I'll get to it. --Smarterthanu91 • Talk 00:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Minneapolis and St. Paul

Hello, Appraiser. I got your message. Yes, the highways and proposed rail lines could go elsewhere, for starters. I'd appreciate replies either here or on the Minneapolis talk page, and just wanted to thank you for the article about Theodore Wirth. Finding that made a long night worthwhile. -Susanlesch 16:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I enjoyed researching Wirth. I doubt if many people have read the article though. I'm glad you found it.--Appraiser 17:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Klobuchar picture

You objected to the use of her picture provided by the United States Senate. I point out that it could not appear on her Senate website if she did not surrender the rights to the United States Federal Government. Therefor by transfer it becomes the property of the United States Government and as such fall under Title 17, Chapter 1, sub-section 105.--Wowaconia 19:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

First the question is who owns the rights. By transferring these rights to the US Senate she has surrendered any claims in a civil court to fiscally profit from the work. It is solely a question of who is the copyright holder not one of who originally produced the work. If Melinda Gates takes a photo of Bill, she is the copyright holder, if she gives it to Microsoft and they use it she has transferred her rights to them and if Wikipedia used it even with Melinda's permission we would get sued by the Copyright holder Microsoft. If you look at the 9/11 page you will see the shot of a cab with a light pole ontop of it, if you click on the picture it will tell you this was taken by a Marine, but he even as he took the photo he was not the copyright holder as he was doing so in his official capacities, so the issue is not who originally took the photo but who currenly owns the rights.

• Second, this is not the same photo that was produced by Hennepin County as she was wearing red in that photo and it was taken in an indoor studio.

--Wowaconia 19:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 January, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of freshman class members of the 110th United States Congress, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 15:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Donald M. Fraser

• Thanks for correcting that. I had not noticed the redirect. Smeelgova 19:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

AWB "cleanup"

Please revert you changes in articles linking to List of United States Representatives from Minnesota. This discussion is ongoing and there is certainly no consensus for it.—Markles 01:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Project Congress

Your diligence has certainly earned you membership in Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress. Join in! —Markles 01:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Names of congresspeople

Hi. I saw your request at Wikipedia:Requested moves regarding Hubert Humphrey, and I noticed you've been moving articles about congresspeople to titles in accordance with the Congressional directory. Can you point me to a discussion where it was decided to do this? I ask because it seems to me to be at variance with our policy Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use common names of persons and things, which is our usual "rule of thumb" at WP:RM. Thanks. -GTBacchus^(talk) 18:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Congress

Hi Appraiser, I suppose you asked me for an opinion due to my "redirect" vote on the List of United States Representatives from Minnesota AFD. While I do read a number of the US politics articles with interest I am not an active participant in the creation and editing of such articles and know pretty much zero about the standards the people who work with them strive for. At the time I voted on the AFD, I thought it was a very simple case of a duplicate article but after reviewing it I see that I probably missed some arguments opposing redirection which might have merit (I am really unsure about this so I've asked DRV to relist the article in question). I am sorry, but I don't really have any basis for voicing my opinions on the talkpage you linked to. Hope you will forgive me for that. Sjakkalle (Check!) 16:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Minnesota

Appraiser, just a thank you! -Susanlesch 22:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Camp Coldwater

You may notice that very few pages link to Camp Coldwater---maybe you could help remedy that. Michael Hardy 20:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Apple valley logo.gif)

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Climate of Minnesota

Based on one of the comments in the FA feedback I stared another paragraph about this topic in film on the talk page. Please improve this if you can, thanks! Gopher backer 16:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Ordinal Congresses

Thanks for putting lots of time into the ordinal congresses. I've lately been spending lots of time on them too. I'm running into some disagreements wih other contributers, however, and the process is more frustrating than what I've run across in other articles and other broad article areas. One of the issues is whether to use Template:USCongresses or Template:USCongressTerms at the bottom of each article. The latter is used in about 80 of 110. It looks nicer on my screen and provides more information. I wondered whether perhaps it looks bad on smaller screens, but User:Markles just said that some people prefer the other one, with no reasoning given. User:Markles has reverted my changes when trying to make these consistent, and I was wondering if you know of any reason to keep the inconsistancy. --Appraiser 23:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Its nice to know of another working on the ordinal congresses. They are quite a chore, but I think worth the effort. I much prefer the Template:USCongressTerms for the reasons you stated and would hope that template is used consistantly throughout the series. I would encourage you to be persistent. User:Markles often has good suggestions for improvements, and he and I had actually reached agreement some time ago on the use of Template:USCongressTerms and its design. However, I noticed he made some edits to it just the other day...so I'm not sure what gives. Let's continue to collaborate on this. stilltim 00:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• • I'm sorry, both of you. I'd forgotten where Stilltim & I had left it with these templates. I'm still not convinced that we should have two templates, but I can't really come up with a defense of one over the other. Therefore, I'll back down. The two of you have brought so much good work to WikiProject Congress! —Markles 21:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:RepTimWalberg2.jpg

I noticed you uploaded this image with the tag that the copyright holder has released all rights to this image. I've changed this to fair use and added a replaceable fair use tag to the image because I doubt this claim. You will need to provide a link directly to a page on their website or email confirmation that indicates they have released all rights to their images and allow use anywhere, for any reason, and at any time, not just on Wikipedia. Now that he has been elected, it would be easier to just use an image from his Congressional website that wasn't used by his campaign that will likely be public domain. Thanks. --tomf688 (talk - email) 03:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Personality disorders

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article List of Personality disorders, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. NeantHumain 03:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

John P. Doll

Hi. Please refrain from including personal information in articles that is not directly related to the subject's public life, and verifiable from sources in the public domain. See our policies on the biographies of living people for details. Thanks.--Doc^g 10:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I assert to be User:Appraiser--Appraiser 02:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006

Please refer to the IP address under which you voted (check the instructions) - Alvesgaspar 11:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

commons User:74.38.90.174

I assert to be the same person as User:74.38.90.174 --Appraiser 16:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Image:Walter Mondale.jpg

You will need to provide a better source for this image, i.e. a hyperlink. Thanks. --tomf688 (talk - email) 18:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Just fyi, the Commons is not an acceptable source. That uploader had to get it from somewhere, and I've marked that image as lacking source info as well. Could you provide the original source, i.e. a U.S. Gov website? Images from the Commons should not be uploaded here anyways since they can simply be linked to like any normal image. --tomf688 (talk - email) 03:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

"Died in office"

I deleted "in office" from "died in office" because it's redundant and/or unnecessary. If he wasn't in office when he died, then the list shouldn't bother mentioning that he died at all.—Markles 13:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Theodore Wirth

I met Theodore Wirth's grandson, Theodore J. Wirth, today. Here's the story: My father had a box of Theodore Wirth's annual reports to the Minneapolis Park Board from many years ago. When my father worked for the park board one winter, they were clearing out an old storage space, and they wanted to get rid of the box of reports. He asked if he could keep them, and his supervisor said, "I don't care, as long as they're out of here by 4 PM." (My father tends to do this a lot -- he'll take stuff that other people want to get rid of -- but this was one of the things of real historic value.)

Anyway, my father saw an article in the paper a few years ago about a group called the Minneapolis Parks Legacy Society, who is dedicated to promoting the legacy of Theodore Wirth. He contacted the group and mentioned that he had these annual reports, and that he was willing to donate them to the group. They got in touch with my dad, and this afternoon, Joan Berthiaume and Theodore J. Wirth visited my father and picked up the reports. In exchange, they gave my father a reprinted edition of a book that Theodore Wirth wrote in 1944 about his experience with the Minneapolis parks system. It was a cool gift that they gave my dad, and I read through some parts of the book. It's pretty interesting and it sheds a lot of light on Wirth's career.

They mentioned that they're hoping to get the Theodore Wirth Home and Administration Building opened to the public as a museum. They're also the group that got his house on the National Register in 2002. I told them that I'm an editor on Wikipedia and that I've worked on articles about National Register properties in Minnesota. Joan mentioned that a Wikipedia editor had come to the Theodore Wirth house looking for some information. I don't know if it was you or not, but it sounds like they'd be interested in helping to document Theodore Wirth's accomplishments. The book they gave my father would certainly provide a lot of information toward that goal. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 04:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Honeywell

I've removed the speculative date from the thermostat image that you added to the above article. There was no source given for the date. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 08:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

My caption on Mississippi River

Hi. I was very careful in the wording of my photo caption to use the indefinite article a before "boundary" rather than the definite article the, since, as you noted, the river does not always serve as the boundary between the two cities. But I thought it was interesting enough to point out in the caption that it sometimes serves that purpose. I won't revert there because it's not worth getting into an edit war over, but please at least re-read my original caption, and note the indefinite article a and my intention: to demonstrate a purpose that the subject of the article performs, that it doesn't merely "run through" the cities; it also, arguably more interestingly, serves as a boundary between the two cities over a significant area. If you can come up with a way to re-word the caption to keep that intent, please do so. Moncrief 16:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wounded Knee Massacre

I do have an ISBN on Lost Bird of Wounded Knee, it is 0306808226. I will follow your advice on form. Thank you! --Bluejay Young 07:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

New NRHP Collaboration Division

Hey, saw you were a participant in the National Register of Historic Places WikiProject. I thought I would let you know that there is a new Collaboration Division up for the project. The goal of the division is to select an article or articles for improvement to Good article standard or higher. There is a simple nomination process, which you can check out on the division subpage, to make sure each candidate for collaboration has enough interested editors. This is a good way to get a lot of articles to a quality status quickly. Please consider participating. More details can be seen at the division subpage. IvoShandor 11:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Bloomington political

I don't think too many people are going dispute Ramstad is a moderate Republican, I am more curious what makes that particular study so authoritative. Plus are we going to have every political group/cause/interest group that ranks members of congress as either being conservative or liberal pro or con to their agendas listed as well. I believe saying that he is a moderate Republican is fine. I doubt someone will come along and ask for source or citiation for that Smith03 02:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

"restore citation justifying the word "moderte" - it indicates where the city is on the political spectrum) " Also your logic is a bit off in sense it show where the city is on the political scale as Ramstad is elected by the whole 3rd district not just Bloomington. Also a conservative Republican is going to vote him over a Democrat. A better indication would be to look at the state house and senate. As someone who lives in Bloomington I would say that Bloomington as a whole is pretty moderate the east tend to vote Dem and the west tends to vote GOP. We are pretty purple, but then you have to keep in mind there is a difference between social and economic conservatives/liberals. I would state the east side is probably more liberal on economic issues but more conservative on social issues. The West is probably more conservative on economic and maybe more split on social, but that is my assumptions based on people I know from around town.

Smith03 02:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

{{USRepSuccessionBox}}

The discussion of where {{USRepSuccessionBox}} links is not at all conclusive. There is not a consensus. Last I checked, there were 2 Support, 2 Oppose, and 1 Comment. Thus, I strongly think the template should link to the much more useful articles, "List of United States Representatives from Foo." As another active member of WikiProject Congress wrote, these articles are growing quickly and the other articles ("United States Congressional Delegations from Foo") were once very small too.—Markles 12:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Cities, MoS

Hi. Appraiser, you are the person who taught me to give images no pixel sizes, a lesson that made a big impression so I hesitate to suggest that Minneapolis might have two bona fide exceptions, cases for which MoS provides. The default makes the recycle image so powerful the message (four languages) is lost. A slightly smaller pixel size won't hurt the Target image and will give other companies more room. Readers can click the images if they wish to see more. The two are in close proximity. If you have time could you see what you think? Also, do you think that WikiProject Cities order of sections is working out? Thanks. -Susanlesch 13:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• It looks good now. I changed the recycling picture the other day because the photo was overlapping text on one of my monitors. I think your addition of the "break" solved the problem. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities standard sections are a good idea I think. Do you take exception to any of the standard?--Appraiser 17:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks, maybe left side pictures run a risk of overlap more often than right, I don't know. The Cities outline seems flexible enough to adapt (I added Arts and media, and Religion, charity and health and am thinking about a section for rankings in the press, not sure yet). -Susanlesch 20:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

MN 2nd District

Hey- I did a lot of congressional stuff back whenever that was. My memory is blank. It is possible it was a copyright violation. I don't who it was-but I was new to Wikipedia at the time. I just might of thought it was okay to share information from a government website. I went to that John Kline website and didn't recognize it. Sorry for the mistake if it was me. Rhelmerichs 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)