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Because I have had enough of pile-ons, timesink dramas, the relentless quote-mining in dispute-resolution, and the fundamentally broken "arbitration" process.
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Withdrawal from the SmallCat case

I have withdrawn from the SmallCat case at WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute. I will not be presenting evidence, and will not participate in any of the discussions.

This is for two reasons: not being allowed to make my case, and prejudicial framing.

Sifting through masses of evidence, I realised that I would way overrun the allotted 1,000 words. By Saturday, I had put in about 80 hours of work and my draft evidence has exceeded 10,000 words, so I emailed Arbcom to say that I would probably need to request a final tally of an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 words. I offered to send my latest draft.

After ~48 hours the Arbs replied to say that they were unsure, so I sent my latest draft. After a further 24 hours I had no response, and since I had slowed down while awaiting a response, I requested an extension of at least days 5 to the evidence phase of the case.

Soon after that, I got a reply to say that Arbcom to say that they are "unwilling to entertain any request for an extension beyond 5,000 words and would encourage you to consider how close to 2,500 words you could get". The reply also deprecated my inclusion of an analysis of the radical contextomy deployed against me, which I regard as a key reason for how this case escalated into a big storm.

That makes it impossible for me to present my case. So I replied to say that I will not participate any further.

I then took the time to review the case parameters, noting how the broad scope of the case had allowed non-parties to raise a range of matters unrelated to SmallCat, which would need a lot of space ro reply. I also spotted at WT:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Evidence a comment by Arbitrator Silk Tork at 17:53, 24 July 2023 which says in part that "We are not here to assess the rights and wrongs of the SmallCat guideline, or decide who is right or wrong in their interpretation of that guideline." (That's a whole sentence from a post of 6 sentences. The relevant part here is the second clause, to which I have added underlining).

This strips from the case of the core of the dispute: the systematic misrepresentation of the guideline SMALLCAT to achieve arbitrary deletion of categories.

The lead of the Wikimedia Foundation Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) requires that "all who participate in Wikimedia projects and spaces" will "Strive towards accuracy and verifiability in all its work". The central issue of conduct in the dispute is therefore whether editors did indeed "strive towards accuracy and verifiability" in their use of SMALLCAT.

WP:Arbitration/Policy#Policy_and_precedent says "The arbitration process is not a vehicle for creating new policy by fiat.". I had assumed this means that Arbcom is not free to cherrypick which parts of the UCoC it seeks to uphold, but it seems my assumption was wrong.

I would have much preferred that the community direct its efforts to making any needed clarifications to SMALLCAT, rather than into weeks of diff-farming and finger-pointing which cannot bring any resolution to the substantive dispute. At RFAR, I used a significant chunk of my word limit to make that point[1], trying to find a solution rather personalise a dispute.

But Silk Tork's comment sets a deeply prejudicial framing which gives a free ride to those who have misused the simple guideline, and problematises those who did indeed "strive towards accuracy and verifiability" in it use. That seems to wholly invert the priorities of encyclopedia-building. I have asked Arbcom to publicly explain whether it is indeed a collective choice to exclude the central issue, and if so, why they have done that. But that email was sent only 5 hours ago, so understandably there has as yet been no response.

In the meantime, I have published the latest draft of my evidence, at User:BrownHairedGirl/Draft evidence in SmallCat case. It is far from complete, but I have now stopped working on it. I am tired and upset, and unsure what to do next. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:04, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-retired

I have semi-retired from Wikipedia, because I have had enough of pile-ons, timesink dramas, the relentless quote-mining in dispute-resolution, and the fundamentally broken "arbitration" process. Full my full reasons, see [2] ... but in a nutshell, I am fed up with and exhausted by the stress of being dragged through broken "dispute resolution" processes which amount to stitch-ups.

That means that I may do occasional drive-by small edits, at a much lower rate than I did over the last winter (see the "Statistics by months" at https://en.wikiscan.org/user/BrownHairedGirl), but nothing substantial.

After more than 17 years here and nearly 3 million edits, I still have a huge personal commitment to the magnificent goal of Wikipedia and to the great innovation it brought to human knowledge-building. But I have concluded that continuing to participate when it has turned so sour would amount to a sunk cost fallacy. It seems that being here means that I am required to indulge and devote enormous amounts of time to blow-by-blow debating of the false assertions of people who in any other context I would rigorously avoid, who are permitted even during an arbitration process to hurl insults, and who are actively encouraged to deflect from the substance by quote-mining. That doesn't advance the goals that brought me here, and it damages my health and well-being.

So it's BHG out. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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		And another barnstar: I'm sorry life has been so tough for you recently. Thanks for all you've done for the encyclopedia. PamD 16:35, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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One task to finish

While cleaning up my files now that I am semi-retired, I found one half-completed task: WT:WikiProject Ireland#IMOS_COUNTIES_cleanup (permalink)

It took a lot of work to get the list down to one with a low level of false positives, and if anyone else took up the task they'd have to wade through all those thousands of false positives again. So I am going to finish that job, before packing up.

My list is down to 1,229 articles, so that probably means somewhere between about 500 and 900 edits. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:08, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear!

Sorry to see that wikipedia has taken its toll on you after the enormous effort you have put in over the years. Perhaps after you step away for a while you might reconsider becoming active again, even if not at the same level. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 11:59, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Ww2censor. I will miss you and your undramatic diligence. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

I know this is long overdue, but I stumbled upon this and wanted to thank you for creating it. I think it's really cool. FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  04:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @FatalFit. But I just copied it. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:03, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 10

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Richard Albert Fitzgerald, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page TCD.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Fixed.[3] BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Please consider these pieces of advice about keeping your evidence brief

With the utmost respect and consideration, I think it is still possible for you to get a good outcome from this case. Please carefully consider [4] from me and [5], [6], [7], and [8] from Wugapodes, Barkeep49, CaptainEek, and MJL. I think for you to condense your evidence down to the style I suggested would not take you much time and would satisfy the committee. It seems like you could readily make it through this without any burdensome sanction. Again, with the utmost respect and appreciation for your work on Wikipedia, this would be a good time to demonstrate some flexibility and willingness to listen to and accommodate others. If you've decided you don't care enough that's fine, but I don't think this move of refusing to shorten the evidence will serve as any kind of dramatic statement against the process. —DIYeditor (talk) 14:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @DIYeditor.

Those comments did indeed make sit down and think. In particular, the comment[9] by Wugapodes clarified the issues for me. I will post a full reply at the /Workshop page, but I will probably sleep on my draft response before posting anything.

Please don't take the above as any hint of what I have decided. I think it's best to keep the substantive discussion in one place. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:15, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Almost no-one in this "Smallcat" case has discussed Smallcat. I hope that my evidence at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#Smallcat appears to be being misinterpreted was helpful. It might possibly be useful as something to link to as an example of the context of this mess of a case. Good luck with it all and Illegitimi non carborundum. I don't know why I gave it such a pussy-footing title: Smallcat just plain IS being misinterpreted and misused. PamD 16:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks, @PamD!

@DIYeditor I have posted[10] my reply to Wugapodes. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:55, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Ireland Project Table

My world is falling apart! Weird stuff happening at the project...Sarah777 (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah777: What? Where? Link? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Apologies - it appears the Project Table is being loaded with "drafts". Is that current practice? Example: [11] Sarah777 (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I hasten to add that I've nothing against the Derry Senior Football Championship - even the 2022 edition! Sarah777 (talk) 13:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah777: what Project Table? Link? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

This one -

here

Ireland articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	Total
FA	6	3	27	29		65
FL			2	6		8
GA	1	11	64	171		247
B	30	193	422	800		1,445
C	28	202	923	4,331		5,484
Start	1	210	2,295	28,116		30,622
Stub		3	425	26,531	6	26,965
List		29	316	2,940	1	3,286
Category				6	25,963	25,969
Disambig			1	3	178	182
File					177	177
Portal					26	26
Project		1			19	20
Redirect		8	58	954	1,521	2,541
Template				1	3,175	3,176
NA			4	30		34
Other					66	66
Assessed	66	660	4,537	63,918	31,132	100,313
Unassessed				1		1
Total	66	660	4,537	63,919	31,132	100,314
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 341,629			Ω = 5.27

Assessment Log

Sarah777 (talk) 22:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah777: I want to help, but you are making this hard work for me. I see the table, but I still don't know what problem you see with it.

Please, if you do want my help, take a few minutes to explain in detail what problem you see.

I am tired and sad, as I prepare to leave Wikipedia after 17 years. If this was from anyone other than you or a v few others, I'd say "no longer my problem". I don't have the energy to keep on pushing you to explain to someone who rarely uses that table. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Apologies again BHG - I thought you were more familiar with the table. If you click on the column NA where it intersects rows NA, Stub, Other etc a list of "draft" articles comes up. They never use to be included in the table. Very sorry to hear you are leaving Wiki, wasn't aware. This is a very minor issue - forget I mentioned it.

As a "semi-retired" editor myself, who only occasionally edits nowadays (mainly in relation to this table) - I've lost contact with the "old crew" - many of whom have also retired permanently. After your gargantuan contribution to Wiki is disheartening to hear you are sad and tired. Sarah777 (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks, @Sarah777. You're right, we are some of the last remnants of the "old crew". Wikipedia was fun in those days!

Thanks too for that helpful info, which lets me see the issues in the table. I took a look at the banners on two of the articles in the table cells you mentioned Draft talk:2022 Derry Senior Football Championship and Draft talk:Michael Collins (athlete). In the first case, the banner has no parameters; for Collins, the banner is set as {{WikiProject Ireland|importance=NA}}.

I looked at the revision history of the {{WikiProject Ireland}} banner, and saw that the most recent edit[12] as on 4 August 2023 by MSGJ. It seems to have been intended as a technical simplification, but I wonder whether it may have introduced some unintended change of behaviour.

Even if I wasn't retiring, I wouldn't want to take a view myself on how the {{WikiProject Ireland}} banner template should handle drafts, or how that table is built. My attitude is that these tools should support the work of those who actually do the very valuable but largely thankless task of assessment which you and I think @ww2censor have been doing for years, so they should do whatever you guys need in your work.

If you and ww2censor can agree how that table should handle (or possibly exclude) drafts, the maybe MSGJ might able to help you get there or point you towards someone who can help get the output you need. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I changed anything which would affect this. Where should draft articles appear in the table? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@MSGJ, I can't answer that, so I'll ping @Sarah777. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:36, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker): @MSGJ and Sarah777: it appears that drafts, that have an unassessed {{WikiProject Ireland}} template added appear under the heading "Other" but those that have a Stub quality rating show up as Stub NA. Some of that BHG mentioned above. Those results appear to come from an inconsistent rating addition by editors so I doubt anything can be done to combine them under one "Draft" heading unless we get rid of Drafts altogether as it used to be, because they are not in use in mainspace. ww2censor (talk) 22:58, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ww2censor, @Sarah777 & @Sarah777: I have asked for help at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#How_to_ignore_quality_and_importance_on_draft_articles.

I hope have summarised things correctly. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I have implemented a crude fix. I hope that solves the problem.

Here's the explanation I posted at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#How_to_ignore_quality_and_importance_on_draft_articles:

In this edit[13] to {{WikiProject Ireland}}, I have done a crude hack to Force all {{WikiProject Ireland}} banners on pages in the draft talk namespace to be processed as if they have |class=Draft ... and no value for |importance=

Any values supplied for those parameters will be ignored unless the page is moved to another namespace.

This is a working solution, but not an elegant solution. If the same result can be achieved via some parameters for the module, please implement that. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Look, you aren't (completely) wrong

But you are getting far far more consideration than most people do. I somewhat agree with you about word limits *but* that point is being completely lost because you keep saying you are quitting, then talking some more. As somebody who avoids you because you act like this, but nonetheless has been in exactly this sort of pile-on, I want to tell you that unless your goal is wiki-suicide and providing a fine example of What Not To Do, the best possible thing you can do is make a post, right now, saying "I have been asked to take 24 hours to consider how I can help prevent this sort of drama in future, and I know I could answer that question better if I had had a good night's sleep." And then shut up for at least those 24 hours. Think of it as proving that you can in fact shut up and listen, which is currently very much in question in the bystander commentary. I just hate to see this; it's so preventable. I know none of the other people involved and have no dog in this fight. I'll probably be sorry I spoke up, but that's my middle name really, and maybe I am just hoping for good karma.

Oh and: nobody except the parties to the dispute gives any kind of an expletive about small cats and the incomprehensible nature of the dispute is part of what is making you look cray-cray. Since I really don't have the slightest interest in the actual dispute I have no ideas about what you should do after those 24 hours, but at a superficial skim it looks to me like someone in a post above is trying to help you focus, so maybe take a look at those diffs? I come in peace and post with concern. Elinruby (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I happen to think there's been a metric shite-ton of pop psychoanalysis of a real person here who none of use know IRL, and if I were subjected to that sort of mob onslaught of second-guessing my true nature, I'd probably quit myself. In fact, I have a few times - as in, just shut the effing tab and leave WP behind for a few days or weeks, and come back with a clear head. But what works for me is not necessarily what works for someone else. I hope BHG doesn't leave permanently, that's pretty much all I can say. And I'm a largely disinterested party in any of this, only having happened across some of the various shitstorms. The respectful thing is to just leave BHG alone at this point. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 23:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I respect your opinion but I am not jeering at her, at all, merely pointing out, out of a sense of concern for her, sometimes a break is good. I didn't like it when someone said that to me once, but they were right, and I am doing my. best to give good and imho badly needed advice. I note that she says something above about going to sleep and that's a good start; perhaps she will then have that talk with the person above who is also trying to help. Or not. I don't have strong feelings about any of this but it is true as she said that when multiple people accuse you of multiple things, it us very hard to answer effectively. In any event, as one person who gave a damn to another person who gave a damn, peace out. 01:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)Elinruby (talk) Elinruby (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I was only tangentially referencing your comments; as it stands, yours were meta comments, as mine were meta-meta comments. It can iterate endlessly. I just hope she can take care of herself, I've been through hell in my life (hell, most of my life), and suffer from "toxic empathy" - paralyzed by feeling other people's feelings. I have now moved us into meta-meta-meta comment territory, and will bid peace out as well. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 02:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Small cats

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Thank you, @DIYeditor. That's very kind. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy pages on categorization

Hello, BHG,

I noticed tonight in the Move log that many of the policy pages on categorization were merged, renamed and moved around a lot, along with all of the archived talk pages. You are the editor that I know who has the deepest knowledge of categories and the category structure on Wikipedia so I thought I'd alert you in case you had an opinion about these changes. I don't believe this was part of any proposal that was being discussed, it was an individual editor/admin who thought they'd consolidate different policy pages.

Any way, I hope you are having a good summer. Take care, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Liz. I can see some of it at Special:RelatedChanges/Category:Wikipedia categorization.

Yes, it seems to be one admin on a solo run, which seems highly problematic for an area that has become so contentious.

However, I have long founds that attempts to engage with that admin are unproductive, so I wouldn't bother challenging even if i was still active. And in any case I am now semi-retired: I have closed my open tasks, and will in future make only occasional minor drive-by edits.

I have again been thoroughly piled on by quote-miners, and have had enough, so I'm out. All that remains to be seen is whether the door gets locked behind me to prevent me even making even occasional minor edits. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

My appreciation for 17 years of common sense

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		Yet another Special Barnstar: It seems the dysfunctional Arb/Mod system I encountered many moons ago has not improved. Thanks for persevering so long.

Sarah777 (talk) 18:58, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Bless you, @Sarah777. That's very kind of you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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Template:Canadian election result/top/ElectionYearTest

Hey BHG, I came across Template:Canadian election result/top/ElectionYearTest. Is this test completed? Are you planning on doing anything else with it? Gonnym (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gonnym: I am now semi-retired, so I won't be doing anything with it.

I wondered whether it might be of use to someone else, but when I checked the histories I found that I created[14] Template:Canadian election result/top/ElectionYearTest at 14:16, 26 June 2019‎ ... and then at 16:27, 26 June 2019 I did this edit[15] to Template:Canadian election result/top, implementing the issue I was testing for.

So as far as I can see, I should probably have deleted it later that same day, along with Module:CanElecResTopTest, after removing it from Template:Canadian election result/top. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I have removed Template:Canadian election result/top/ElectionYearTest from Template:Canadian election result/top.

When the trnsaclusions have purged, Template:Canadian election result/top/ElectionYearTest and Module:CanElecResTopTest can be deleted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:40, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gonnym: the transclusions are all purged. The tracking cats should also be deleted: Category:CanElecResTopTest + subcats. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome, @Gonnym. Thank you for spotting this stale kitchen waste. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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Parliamentary completeness - questions, questions

Hi Bhg, Do you know how far back we are complete for Westminster MP bios? Is work ongoing to push further back? Presumably US congresspersons are complete all the way back, but has anyone looked at other countries for a comparative completeness excercise? Thanks if you know, Johnbod (talk) 22:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Johnbod

That's hard to answer. Off the top of my head, I know from the Irish constituency articles that there are missing Westminster MPs for Irish constituencies in the late 19th century and maybe early 20th. But it's 7 years or more since I did much about Westminster as a whole.

The two places to start any check are the lists (e.g. List of MPs elected in the 1885 United Kingdom general election) and the cats, e.g. Category:UK MPs 1885–1886. However, a lot of the lists are incomplete: e.g. the complete List of MPs elected in the 1832 United Kingdom general election which I created in 2010 has not been replicated for other years, where the lists are more ad hoc.

I see e.g. that Category:UK MPs 1885–1886 has only 663 pages (including the list), but there were 670 seats, plus at least 9 by-elections in which new MPs were elected (the rest being ministerial by-elections), so Category:UK MPs 1885–1886 should contain at least 680 pages. I dunno whether the shortfall is due to missing articles or to incomplete categorisation.

Sadly, the UK politics WikiProject is not an impressive place these days; my most recent forays there found few editors with a scholarly mindset. And of course there is a long-term prolific editor who creates sub-stubs for MPs, but whose grasp of the concepts is so low that their work is full of errors and omissions ... so as we go back in time, the proportion of junk sub-stub articles becomes high.

As to other parliaments, the only one I know well is Ireland, where the Oireachtas is complete: we have had a full set of articles Teachtaí Dála (TDs) & senators for about ten years, thanks in large part to the exceptionally hard work of @Spleodrach. But that's a smaller set: only ~1,350 TDs since 1919, of which ~20% are stubs. Similarly, the wee House of Commons of Northern Ireland is complete, but with only 222 articles.

Other comparators are difficult, due to political upheavals. It surprises many British people that the Oireachtas is now one of the oldest parliaments in Europe with an uninterrupted history, the rest of Europe having been much more war-like than Ireland. The Westminster Parliament had about a 600-year history before it finally got one-person-one-vote in 1950, and those six centuries of a pre-democratic parliament are a unique case of a regime which never had a sustained democratic revolution (the 1640s upheaval was short-lived, and more anti-monarchist than democratic), and where the parliament survived a successful foreign invasion (in 1688).

In general, the most stable set of other parliaments are those which developed in the UK's white settler colonies: Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand. none of which has been successfully invaded or overthrown. That set have all had unbroken existence since the 18th or 19th century, dispossession/genocide of the natives being a sadly successful recipe for political stability. The Swiss National Council has an unbroken history since 1848; at the other extreme, Poland's Sejm has its origins 300 years earlier, but has a very complex history with many gaps. I haven't studied the parliamentary history of those unstable parliaments, but I assume that documenting their membership is more challenging than in the more stable places ... and of course the English-language Wikipedia has an obvious systemic bias towards better coverage of English-speaking parliaments.

Hope that helps. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:03, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thanks very much - I'll do a longer reply later. I'm asking in the context of gender balance - my guess is that, as for Fellows of the Royal Society female MPs etc are complete but male ones not (at around 50% since 1660). On the other hand we have List of members of the Parliament of Finland, 2011–2015, where "The Parliament has 115 male MPs and 85 female MPs" and a category with 171 of them. But, as far as one can tell with Finnish names, both genders are incomplete. Category:Members of the Bundestag 2009–2013 has 448 bios, for 622 seats. The only research I'm aware of was into European Parliament members, I think on Danish WP, which showed a slight "bias" towards female members having wp bios, perhaps as more recent sets were more fully represented. Johnbod (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you

I hope you don't feel that I've taken too adversarial of a position. If I understand correctly, your argument is that all your strong accusations of malfeasance in each instance are actually justified, but the justification couldn't be explained in a single line with diffs for context.

I do not understand how this could be so. I've never been involved in an Arb case before, and in fact I don't think I've ever been taken to ANI, so I may not know what it is like to be accused in this manner. Still, in cases at ANI, it always seemed like any sound argument could be made just with a brief explanation and the diffs that prove that summary. Anything I can think of that I have done or might do could be explained in a sentence or two, with appropriate diffs. If there are separate accusations/incidents, they could be handled the same.

I also am unclear why you didn't respond to the ABF accusations and at least directly say: these are all justifiable behavior and not in violation of AGF or CIVIL or NPA.

At any rate, it is all academic at this point. Good luck and hope you get a fair outcome. —DIYeditor (talk) 17:05, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your good wishes, @DIYeditor. But if you look at User:BrownHairedGirl/Draft evidence in SmallCat case, you'll see that large chunk of it are not based on diffs, and cannot be based on diffs.

As to the rest, I am simply worn out from having a mob invited to hurl muck at me. It's like being put in the stocks. I dont have the energy to write the detailed responses to every bit of quote mining. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Purple Barnstar
		Hi BrownHairedGirl, I am not very active at this project but it is impossible to work in Ireland-related topics without noticing your work. I am sorry to see that you are once again entangled in an arbcom case and just want to express my gratitude for your contributions and your endurance to withstand all this madness for such a long time. Best wishes, AFBorchert (talk) 07:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)