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January 14

sfn template question

In the article Cai Lun I briefly cite Fan Ye with sfn, though his work was "published" in the 5th-century and the sfn template doesn't put {{sfn|Fan Ye|5th century}} properly, even when I use an anchor, since it thinks "5th century" is an author (so it produces "Fan Ye & 5th century). I've opted to just citing without the century, though if someone knows how to do so, it would be much appreciated. Aza24 (talk) 00:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: I suggest reading up on template documentation (for example, Template:Sfn) if something isn't rendering properly. Using your example, the first two unnamed parameters are for the first two authors' last names. The template does not appear to be able to take anything for date other than 4-digit strings for year (<year> – required; four-digit year; may have a lowercase disambiguation letter). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

A ha! I've read up on the documentation like you suggested Tenryuu, and discovered a solution, using |ref=CITEREFFANYE and then [[#CITEREFFANYE|Fan Ye 5th-century]]. So not a real sfn ref, but appears the same way, which is all that matters. Aza24 (talk) 01:21, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

an article on Tongan/Uvean pre-European history.

I would like to contribute an article 6 pages long on Tongan and Uvean pre-European history. Is this possible? If so how do I go about doing it?

Mrs L. Vasalua Jenner-Helu MA(Hons) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.226.17.188 (talk) 01:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Six pages is rather specific. I would read up on Your first article and run the content through Wikipedia's Articles for Creation process, as if you had it off of the site, there's a high chance that formatting may not be up to Wikipedia standards, and the sources used may not be reliable enough to establish the subject's notability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

You will also need to avoid original research (see WP:OR) RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Makaronopizza

I found this draft when searching for new culinary articles. There are quite many things wrong here.

1. Makaronopizza itself does not appear to be notable.
2. The draft cites only one source, and even that is just a recipe.
3. The draft uses personal commentary, with the creator appearing to insult the dish.
4. Most of the draft consists of only a recipe.

The author has not submitted the draft for review. If they had, I would decline it in a flash without a second thought.

If this were an actual article instead of a draft, I'd just go ahead and speedy delete it. But what should be done when it's an unsubmitted draft? Can I just delete it or nominate it for deletion? JIP | Talk 02:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

JIP, maybe it's eligible for deletion due to copyvio? The recipe is taken from the external link provided practically verbatim. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@JIP: A draft is a work in progress. Unless there is a major issue such as copyright or BLP, leave it alone. RudolfRed (talk) 02:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll leave it alone for the time being. Someone will probably come along later to handle it. JIP | Talk 02:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have added a suggestion to the talk page but is this article a hoax?Spinney Hill (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The draft seems to have been speedily deleted as a blatant copyvio. JIP | Talk 15:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I can't see the draft so I don't know what it said but in the US a recipe (so far as it is only a list of ingredients and a procedure) is not protected by copyright.[1] But there may have been other copyright issues. Thincat (talk) 22:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Does this violate the rules?

I've created a user sandbox for another user as a learning aid. I have copied parts of WP articles into it (with full markup). Does this fall afoul of any rules?--Quisqualis (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Barring any issue with the original Wikipedia article (copyright etc..), you're allowed to copy any content on Wikipedia, but must attribute to it. If you didn't, you can make a WP:DUMMYEDIT and mention the name of the Wikipedia articles you copied from. Shushugah (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

See WP:Copying within Wikipedia - David Biddulph (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

How to find articles to edit?

How can I find articles to edit? And after editing, how can I find someone to review it for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyVisitor (talk • contribs) 08:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello HappyVisitor! Check Wikipedia:Community portal under "Help out". Or, at an article about a topic you're interested in, check the categories at the bottom of the article and see if you find anything interesting in those categories. About "reviewing", you can ask here or at WP:TEAHOUSE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Try to make a correction on my information Axel Addy and lost most of the content - How do I get it back

Hi, I read my wikipedia page and tried to make some minor corrections and ended up losing most of the other sections. How do I get it back? Kindly assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeladdy (talk • contribs) 10:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you've been adding unsourced content to Axel Addy which was removed because Wikipedia requires reliable sources. Also it looks like you might have been editing an article about yourself which you absolutely should not do. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Actually, editing an article about oneself is only strongly discouraged, not strictly prohibited, as the policy provides an example of what is allowed. The OP is now blocked, but for readers passing by, content addition in such cases are best done through edit requests on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:07, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu, Axeladdy is only soft-blocked, pending verification that the person using the account is indeed Axel Addy. --ColinFine (talk) 12:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Repeated Warning Message

Hello, I have been editing a page that was created before but this message keep showing although I fixed the category, message warning here: To list a page in this category, do not edit this category page. Instead, edit the page you want to list. Either add Category:Youth organisations based in Lebanon at the bottom of the page"How do I fix? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tima93Lb (talk • contribs) 13:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tima93Lb. The problem is that you have treated the page as if it was an article that you could edit. It is not, it is simply a page listing other articles which have been marked as being about Youth organisations based in Lebanon. You need to go back and revert all your additions on that page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Alright, so, you should never (practically never) edit pages marked Category: - instead, you should only edit articles which are actually articles. I will move your edits to a Draft page. See Draft:Youth organizations in Lebanon. Make your edits there. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation for info on getting your article published. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 13:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Off topic. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 13:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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just the same old liberal line at this site. your politics sicken me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.11.20.145 (talk) 13:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Suppressed files blocking export to Commons

There are four public domain files, here, here, here and here, that I'm trying to copy to Commons using the "Export to Wikimedia Commons" tab, but I'm getting this message on Commons: "Can't import file because at least one of its revisions contains a suppressed file". Can the suppressed files be un-suppressed, or the revision in question deleted? Thanks. —Bruce1ee^talk 13:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

So it looks like these files were reduced in resolution as non-free cover art at some point; since then, they've been determined to be too simple for copyright. However, the auto-export tool must see the reduction as a sign that this is not actually a free piece of work. There may be some work around or trick but if I were you I would just re-upload it on Commons and then have the version here deleted. Or, just consider not exporting it, as I can't really see any valid use of the cover art within the public domain. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 14:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador: Thanks for your reply. The option to simply manually upload the image into Commons and tag the local copy for deletion was my first consideration. But my concern was that the file's history here would be lost. If the history isn't important, then I'm happy to do that. —Bruce1ee^talk 15:08, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bruce1ee: - Yes, that's a good point. Personally, I say: it's a public domain image and the original uploader did not create the image, so there is no harm in just doing it that way. But, I don't want to lead you down a garden path, so I would suggest posting this inquiry at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. I imagine an admin will be able to help you there. There is precedent for file revisions being undeleted for transfer; see Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2019_June_26#Suppressed_file_blocking_a_Commons_move_via_File_Importer_extension. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 16:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador: I'll take it to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. I see there are already a handful of requests to undelete previous file revisions. Thanks for pointing this page out to me. —Bruce1ee^talk 17:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador: That worked, thank you. This discussion can be closed. —Bruce1ee^talk 06:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Why this section not getting scanned by "Who Wrote That" addon?

I am pretty sure it's not template like already discussed [2]. Why this section not getting scanned by "Who Wrote That" addon? Rizosome (talk) 14:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: I don't know. You could ask the developers. See mw:Who Wrote That?#We Want Your Feedback! PrimeHunter (talk) 20:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Collapse family tree by default

How can I change the default rendering here to collapsed? (state=collapsed does not work ...) Thanks in advance for any assistance! Cheers--Hildeoc (talk) 14:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Have you tried |collapsed=yes instead, Hildeoc? That doesn't work for me in preview but I wonder if it will when saved. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I edited the template code so that the template auto-collapses. The code I used was collapsed=yes.‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 16:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for resolving this issue! Best wishes--Hildeoc (talk) 22:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Libra (astrology)

I recently endeavored, as I often do, a light handed correction to the subheading "Air Sign": as the entry professed that Rome is a "Libra city", I simply added that "however" the traditional date of Rome's foundation is April 21, 753 BC. I received a message by an Aloha57 (on the heading of a successive wikipedia search) telling me s/he removed my note because I did not quote a source. I was flabbergasted, but I posted a message to the page s/he indicated, politely pointing out it is common knowledge, and if s/he saw fit to let misleading information stand, it would be a consideration in my (potential) future contributions. Just for the record: I learned the date of the foundation of Rome in elementary school; asking for a source, to me is the equivalent of asking for a source for the date of the Declaration of Independence. The entry stands "corrected" to Aloha57's "truth", I just checked; incidentally, Wikipedia's Rome page has the date I added as that of the mythical foundation of Rome (and the only one on record I am aware of).

I could have easily let this go, it isn't a matter of "being right": simply, it nags to me that the cooperative spirit of Wikipedia, which I treasure, is undermined by this episode; the information on the historical record is discarded in favor of some of dubious (if attributed) and uncheckable source. This episode also makes me reflect on the excessive faith I sometimes put in Wikipedia: while the collective editing is mostly a reliable practice, and often unearths details that would take years of studies on more traditional sources, and I am very grateful for that, it presents some challenges and potential pitfalls, as evidenced by this episode. I'll leave it at that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.107.15 (talk) 14:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Aloha27 whom I assume is who is being discussed since we don't have a Aloha57. In general "I learned it in middle school" is about as far from an acceptable source as you can get - I had a primary school teacher tell me that drawing on my hand would give me ink poisoning, didn't make it true though did it. --Paul ❬talk❭ 16:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

We cannot accept "common knowledge". We require a source. If it's truly common knowledge, then you can find a source. It this specific case, go to the Wikipedia "Rome" article you mentions and find the source that it cites, and then cite that same source for your correction. Since citing sources is a little bit complicated, you may prefer to just make a note on the article's talk page. (And yes, it's like requiring a source for the date of the declaration of independence: we do that too.) -Arch dude (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I must disagree with part of what Arch dude wrote. The source given in the "Rome" Wikipedia article is

• Kinder, Hermann; Hilgemann, Werner (1964). Dtv-Atlas zur Weltgeschichte (in German). Vol. 1. Dtv. OCLC 887765673.

You can only cite sources you have read. To cite this source, you will have to gain access to it and read the relevant page(s). This means you will have to understand German. You will probably find it easier to find a different source. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I concur: I should have said "read and then cite". As Penance, I found better ref: "Technical Chronology and Astrological History in Varro, Censorinus, and Others", Classical Quarterly, N.S. 35 (1985), p. 454-65. -Arch dude (talk) 17:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Paul Thank you for the heads-up. I suggested to the user than discussion would best be started at the Libra Talk page in my comment here. The user did not choose to do that. Thus far, the same advice and reasoning has been given as I submitted. I see nowhere in the user's history of EVER editing the Rome page. I shall forthwith head to that page and see what needs to be done, if anything at all. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  17:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

A rather simpler source for Rome's foundation date (although less academic) is "this one".. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

And now I'm really embarrassed. There was no contradiction in the first place. The Libra (astrology) article states that "the Moon was said to be in Libra" not that the Sun was in Libra. Since the date of the founding of Rome is widely agreed to be April 21, but there was debate about the year, the moon may very well have been in Libra. Furthermore, mapping such ancient calendar dates to the modern calendar is problematical anyway, so "April 21" could be anywhere in a two-week window from today's April 21. -Arch dude (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Since there is ample evidence that there were only 360 days in a year before 747 BC, why not just let it all go? I suggest that there is literally no point in trying to work out what happened within a 2-week period approximately 2,773 years ago. I speak as one who, like Isaac Newton, has made an extensive study of the subject of astrology, and that includes the Babylonian Amizaduga tablet. You are welcome to leave your time, date and place of birth as proof that you don't care a hoot. At least no-one mentioned alchemy. MinorProphet (talk) 17:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Yep. Astrology is not a science. It is important only because humans have believed in it for thousands of years and have wasted enough paper and ink on it that it is notable by Wikipedia's definition. I just thought it was interesting that there was no contradiction in the article. -Arch dude (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Article about Dr. Vladimir Lumelsky

A few months ago I submitted an article about Professor Lumelsky. When will it be posted on line? If there are any issues with it could you let me know? Thank you, Michael Shur — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.34.90 (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you please link to the draft? I cannot find it. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I guess you refer to User:Shurm. That is the user page for your account. It has not been submitted and nobody has viewed it. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation for a way to submit a draft. Try to include references to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Different answers/information.

Why does Wikipedia give different answers when posting the same question in a different language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.51.245.73 (talk) 15:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Same reason that you might get different responses when you ask two people who are completely unrelated to each other and have no affiliation apart from the fact that they happen to use the same software for something. --Paul ❬talk❭ 16:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

There is a separate Wikipedia project for each language. Each article in each language is written by different volunteers and there is no formal co-ordination or co-operation among the volunteers. If you see a discrepancy, please make a note of it on the talk page of the article ere on the English Wikipedia, and I assume that the other projects would want you to make a note on their article's talk pages also. If you are asking about questions on the various help desks, then different wikipedia projects have different rule and different volunteers answering questions. -Arch dude (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Why is there is no "pornography" in this category?

Why is there is no "pornography" in this category list? Rizosome (talk) 17:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: Because the pornographic website categories are listed under the Entertainment websites sub-category. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:21, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Klete Keller photo error

This is Hunter Hojnacki with the University of North Carolina Athletics. It was brought to our attention that the photo that is currently being used on Klete Keller's Wikipedia page is a photo of our Head Swim & Dive Coach Mark Gangloff. We ask someone to please take this photo down and make a correction as this has brought a significant amount of unwarranted negative attention due to this mistake.Hunter.hoj (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you identify the real Klete Keller on the image shown here? JIP | Talk 17:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Welcome to the Teahouse, Hunter.hoj. There has been a lot of editing to the Klete Keller page recently, so I'm unsure whether the current very poor photograph is correct or not. The best place to discuss this is on the article's Talk page, pinging the editors who have recently been working on that article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have removed the photo pending discussion. Since the ID of Keller is unsourced and it is cropped from a larger photo, I think we should err on the side of caution and remove the photo until we determine whether it actually is him. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 17:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Add - there is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Klete_Keller#Picture. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 17:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Wrong citations

Question: if an authoritative source contains a demonstrable error, should Wikipedia repeat the error?

Example: I've been having a polite edit war with Murgatroyd49 about a mistaken citation. I changed some ships' tonnages from gross register tonnage (GRT) to gross tonnage (GT) and Murgatroyd reverted them because the source - the company's own webpage - stated GRT. But GRT has been obsolete since 1994 (replaced by GT) and the ships in question were built 15 years later. However, old habits die hard and some companies still cite GRT for ships built since that date, even though their correct tonnage cannot be anything but GT.

We discussed this. I said: "I have to question the "rules is rules" justification for changing something we both know is right to something we both know is wrong." Murgatroyd replied: "In which case change the citation."

If I cared enough and had enough time, I might be able to find a better citation, but the question in terms of Wikipedia policy is still valid: should Wikipedia use its citation rule to perpetuate errors and use that rule to prevent errors being corrected? Bear in mind we are talking (in this example) about a fact where there is no scope for interpretation: GRT is wrong and GT is correct.

What do other editors think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick Neylan (talk • contribs)

@Patrick Neylan: Murgatroyd49 is correct in that Wikipedia only reports what reliable sources say for verification, which means information can be wrong, in which case a better source that uses GT should be sought. Doing the conversions by yourself would constitute as original research. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

If a source is obviously wrong then it is NOT a reliable source. DuncanHill (talk) 21:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

In that case that information should be removed without replacing it with GT in the absence of an appropriate source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit an article

How do i edit an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuaacena (talk • contribs) 21:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Fuaacena, you push the button that says "edit", make the edits in the window that appears, fill in an edit summary, and push the button that says "Publish changes". Beyond that, it varies by what type of edit you are making. If it's a simple copyedit (spelling fix, punctuation, etc.) you may want to push the button that says, "This is a minor edit". If you are adding or changing information, you will need to cite a source for the information. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:Redirect with multiple redirects

Is it somehow possible to use Template:Redirect with multiple redirects, such as: "foo" and "bar" redirect here. For the computer placeholder name, see foobar.? JIP | Talk 23:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

You're looking for Template:Redirect2 (for two redirects specifically) or Template:Redirect-multi (for any number of redirects) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

20 years of Wikipedia!

January 15

President Donald Trump's Wikipedia has been vandalized

Hello- On President Donald Trump's page, as Biden hasn't been inaugurated yet, there is TWO pieces of misinformation on his article but it's locked to prevent vandalism.

Fact Check: - FBI investigation as of yesterday, January 13th 2021, concludes President Trump NEVER incited anything to promote an assult on the Capitol. Not only does the capitol police report to Congress, but investigators concluded that it wasn't just Trump supporters who were wearing MAGA. This was publicized.

- President Trump is undergoing a second impeachment. He is NOT, and I repeatedly stress, NOT impeached for a second time. Senate has to vote then VP Michael Pence finalizes this. That is the American process.

I trust Wikipedia has not gotten slack with checking their resources and citations. Please adjust this immediately as it is misinformation.

God Bless! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VoteEducated2020 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

VoteEducated2020, you'll have better luck on the talk page discussing these proposed changes with reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Machine-translated source?

The text in the source given for the article Sinikka Nopola: https://pledgetimes.com/dead-author-sinikka-nopola-is-dead/ looks like it was machine-translated from Finnish. Does this need to be marked in some way? JIP | Talk 00:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps {{Better source}}? RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Correct Template

What would be the best template to place on this article to help in its improvement: Susan Blommaert? Maineartists (talk) 02:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Maineartists: First, start by stating what do you think is wrong with it? Then, we can help you find a suitable template. Also, it is better to work to improve the article rather than just template it and hope somebody else does it. RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Really, RudolfRed? Come on. Don't be glib. You can see exactly what is wrong with that article. Absolutely no content except a list from IMDB. I know it's better to work on an article, but I have no interest or time. Do you? That's why WP has templates. If you don't want to help, move on. This is why I use the Teahouse. Maineartists (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

George Floyd

The Derek Chauvin page says he knelt on George Floyd’s neck for “several minutes”, which really implies 3-4 minutes and downplays his actions. I think you should list the exact amount of time, rather than linking it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.226.232 (talk) 06:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

You may want to bring this up at Talk:Derek Chauvin, but from what I can tell the wikilink is valuable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia logo needs update

The Wikipedia article has the wrong logo it has the old outdated logo not the new one and my edit request was not honored for a false reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.176.57 (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

it's just a celebratory temporary logo. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_topics/Punic_Wars

The page above relates events of the Three Punic Wars. However,at the end of the article, the following sentences seems a bit anachronistic : "I love cheese and im pretty sure the Punic warsalso loves cheese. It mmakes them happy inside when they see cheese. It beautiful, who wouldnt? Connie also loves cheese she was in the punic wars so she knows. Great friend." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:480:B330:8D9C:5610:78B4:8932 (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I have removed it and will keep an eye on the page for a while. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Issues with my Archive Box

I want to use my archive box as a banner on my talk page, but using banner parameter breaks it style. Compare non-banner version[3] with banner one[4]. As you see, the banner version moves icon and search bar to the left and turns Archives into 'Archives:". Any solution? Keeping the archive box on top of my talk page, making it large, plus keeping its center alignment style/format. --Wario-Man (talk) 12:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I have the suspicion the developers are currently working on self-made overflow handlers to tables (as if the browser ones don't suffice), causing all sorts of messy stuff, including breaking most table layouts and anything dependent on it (such as most of the boxes on wikipedia) Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Is [5] what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks but it's still not similar to what I want. Search archives button should appear below the search bar. As I said, I want a banner version of this. Same style/format but appearing on top of my talk page and be larger. --Wario-Man (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I have added |search-break=yes.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding photos to my great uncle's wiki page: Sir Alan Smith (RAF officer, spitfire pilot) and businessman

Hi there,

Sir Alan Smith's wiki page is great but sadly lacks any photos:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Smith_(RAF_officer)

I have some from when he was a spitfire pilot during WW2 (one of them has him with Hugh Dundas, Johnnie Johnson and Douglas Bader who were the 4 that flew together). It would be good to see these uploaded. I don;t know who owns them though and they were taken in WW2. The photo of the 4 of them would be a good addition to the other's wiki pages (especially Wing Commander Douglas Baders).

Hugh Dundas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Dundas Johnnie Johnson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Johnson_(RAF_officer) Douglas Bader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader

Can someone please contact me about getting these uploaded and added to the page please?

Your sincerely

Jeremy Channon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrchannon (talk • contribs) 13:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jrchannon: iff the photos are over 70 years old, have never been published before, and the author is unknown, they they are in the public domain. You can upload copies to Wikimedia Commons with the appropriate licence ({{PD-UK-70}} I think). Doing so will allow anyone to use the images for any purpose, including commercial use. Mjroots (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Looking for someone who might be interested in creating a article with me on 'KashBook'.

Hi, im looking for someone to assist me with writing this article on Draft:KashBook. it was a social media website by Zeyan Shafiq when the social media services were banned in kashmir in 2017, as per my research and suggestions from experienced editors i think this article meets notability guidelines and they have suggested me that this should be created. i am weak at english writing and grammer so i am looking for someone to help me write it cleanly, i can provide the researched rough write up's. we both can take credit as mutual creators for this article on our wiki user pages. thanks, drop a hi on my talk page if interested. Hums4r (talk) 15:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

To OP: Hums4r, please don't ask the same question in multiple places. That makes following discussion hard.

To readers: the same question was asked at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Looking for someone who might be interested in creating a article with me on 'KashBook'. --CiaPan (talk) 16:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

And also at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing#Looking_for_someone_who_might_be_interested_in_creating_a_article_with_me_on_'KashBook'. Rojomoke (talk) 06:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Defamation of US leaders in their Wikipedia pages

Please remove conspiracy theorist from all replublican senators wiki pages. This statement is a defamation of character for all government officials. This type of behavior is building a general mistrust for our government and those that are running it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.128.16 (talk) 16:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP, this is the general help desk for Wikipedia editing, so we can't help with article specific issues here. Consider using the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard if you can't edit the page, making sure you can give good reason for these comments to be removed. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 17:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Maybe government officials that egg on crowds with unfounded lies to go and storm a capitol building should be distrusted. In any event, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, and they use the term conspiracy theory. 331dot (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

why is wikidata employee count not shown in infobox company

Hi, I've updated the employee count of entity https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95 (latest point in time is 30 September 2020 but there are previous counts at other points in time) and I tried to have it included on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google by removing the hardcoded one (which was ">100,000") but it is not shown, how come? -- ClementSeveillac (talk)

@ClementSeveillac: You didn't set the new value to preferred. I have done it (on the top left icon when the entry is edited), and set the old value to normal.[7] The infobox pulls the preferred value but will only show it if has a source other than Wikipedia. The former preferred value had Wikipedia as source. Google now shows the new value. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Got it, many thanks! -- ClementSeveillac (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

In the cast section of the article about the film Magnolia, I clicked on April Grace and was surprised to be taken to the article on the German Wikipedia about her. It appears we don't currently have one in English. I checked Help:Interlanguage links and while it tells you how to make interlanguage links there, it doesn't say when you should.

I don't think it is helpful in this instance, as a red link might prompt somebody to attempt to create an article, whereas a link to the German Wikipedia is not very useful to most English speakers, but unless you click on it like I did, it is not apparent that we are lacking an English article on this actor. Can anyone point me towards a policy or guideline that addresses this? Thanks. Turner Street (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Turner Street: I have changed it [8] to {{interlanguage link|April Grace|de}} per Help:Interlanguage links#Inline links (links in the text of the article). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:23, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks, that's it. I obviously wasn't looking hard enough on that page I linked. Turner Street (talk) 19:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Putting text in columns for printable version

Hello,

Is is possible to define two layouts of same wiki page? One layout is default web-page and in printable version, the same text is put in two or more columns.

Thank you Marino 17:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marino108LFS (talk • contribs)

@Marino108LFS: I'm not aware of this capability - the only changes I know of are changing the display skin, by clicking on preferences (link on top right menu bar). You could make a technical request at Wikipedia:Village pump. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: The no-print and no-display options make me think of defining a printable version of the wiki page where the text in the glossary is being placed in two columns, just as all dictionaries have being printed. Marino 21:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Is there a dashboard or forums page that shows suggested changes?

Hello,

Is there a dashboard or forums page that shows suggested changes? I read through a few pages within the community portal, but I didn't see how to submit a request or how to search for a previously mentioned request.

I want to place a request for a potential "dark mode" view to wikipedia....FYI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glvatiekas (talk • contribs) 18:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Glvatiekas: Is this what you're looking for? Wikipedia:Dashboard#Requested edits TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

And this Wikipedia:Edit requests? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Since the user is asking for a "Dark Mode" I think this would something for the wishlist. Anyone know how to wishlist an item? RudolfRed (talk) 21:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

RudolfRed, it could be an item for WP:VPP? I would've suggested the Community Wishlist Survey over at Meta, but that concluded recently. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Glvatiekas, dark mode has been requested many times in various locations over the years, including on Phabricator and in the annual Community Wishlist. The W?F Community Tech Team started m:Community Tech/Dark mode but found that it was either too hard or they hadn’t enough resources. User:MusicAnimal says a major technical barrier is that server-side dark mode may hurt the caching layer [9]. (I don’t understand how having an extra skin Vector Legacy Vector + New Vector Vector doesn’t hurt the cache, but I’m not a dev.) In the most recent wishlist, Community Tech declined to consider it for inclusion. To make it happen, we would need to convince W?F that investing money in a proper dark mode is a more important branding effort than investing money in, say, changing the name of the Wikimedia Foundation. If you’re on iOS and only interested in reading main space articles, then the Wikipedia app has some nice themes in dark, black, and sepia. Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:48 Sat 16, AEDT) 22:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Glvatiekas, when somebody asked this here last June, there were a couple of answers that look as if they might be helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 23:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I normally use Apple's "Smart Invert" accessibility feature at night, but I’ve just installed Volker's user script to try out. (To give fair credit: Alex Hollender, Carolyn Li-Madeo, MusikAnimal, and Jdlrobson also contributed to that.) It just does a colour invert-and-rotate rather than being a fully designed-for-dark scheme, but looking at the CSS, they have put a fair effort into defining exceptions for the colour-flip, which might be an advantage over browser plugins or system-level transforms. Pelagic ( messages ) – (14:36 Sat 16, AEDT) 03:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Just noting that I've heard very good feedback from users who have installed Vector-DarkCSS skin (copy the contents of this page into your vector.css page).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone. I do appreciate the feedback. I am truly new to the wiki edits system. I tried my best to navigate the forums of the site. But it was been a struggle. (I got here at least...ha ha)

I have been used to using public submission sites such as ultimate-guitar.com that have sort of a ticketing/discussion voting system and couldn't find that within wikipedia. Oh well.

Also just an FYI. I have used and currently use a browser mod to have dark mode for wiki pages. Some portions of the pages don't appear because of this and I can understand if there is an extra graphics layer modification that may cause some difficulties in the operation of the website.

Glvatiekas (talk) 05:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How best to improve a small paraphrased list added without consideration for style or placement

I came across a Wikipedia (W) page--Teamwork, with a short section at the end that was poorly phrased, so I registered a W account and revised for clarity. However, returning the next day, I realized the section I revised was simply a list of four ~7 word sentences written in a casual style that did not fit the academic style of the page, was crudely tacked onto the end, and the content belongs in the latter half of the preceding section--compare "beneficial" to "Benefits". It does have a citation in References, though while I've not seen the source material, it seems to be a condensed paraphrase. This short list is a poor fit at best. However, after reviewing the W style and guidelines, searching for an answer but what keywords to even use?, I'm unsure whether to a.) combine the content of the short list with the preceding section, style aside, b.) add a notation that the crudely tacked on short list does not meet W standards (or is that action a nominated process etc?), or something else. Without seeing the source material, I'm uncomfortable modifying content to fit the page style. Any suggestions? Thank you, and my apologies if this request doesn't follow protocol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alienhouse (talk • contribs) 20:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Alienhouse: I modified the text a bit to make it fit better, and to provide context, although I can't read the source either and have to take it at face value. Thanks for pointing this out.  Courtesy link: teamwork TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

What happened to all the Entertainment Weekly links?

Lately, every time I've seen an Entertainment Weekly article used as a source on Wikipedia, the link hasn't worked. In all of these cases, I've still been able to find the articles through google; they've just been moved to different web addresses, and unfortunately, the old urls aren't redirecting to the new ones. Does anyone know what caused this? I realize that it's Entertainment Weekly's fault and not Wikipedia's, but I'm curious if this is something a bot could fix or if I'll just have to fix each of these links as I come across them. --Jpcase (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jpcase: If the new urls are in a predictable format compared to the old urls, then one option is to request a bot to update all the old links to new links. Another option is to see if the material was archived, and point the urls to the archive (see Wikipedia:Link_rot#Internet_archives RudolfRed (talk) 02:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

January 16

Creating an article

Pls how do I create an article on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Are you guys okay (talk • contribs) 02:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Are you guys okay: The place to start is at WP:YFA, which will show you all the steps and then you can use the wizard there to create a draft for review. Creating a new article is not an easy task for a new user. The usual advice is to start with working to improve existing articles instead, and then when you have more experience work on creating a new article. RudolfRed (talk) 03:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Are you guys okay: the very first step is to make sure the subject of the article is notable: See WP:N. If the subject is not notable by our definition, then it cannot have a Wikipedia article, and if such an article sneaks in anyway, it will be deleted. We can and will help you solve any other problems as you create your article, but there is no way we can fix a lack of notability. see WP:AMOUNT. Sadly, we delete more than 200 articles every single day, almost always due to lack of notability.-Arch dude (talk) 16:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Locked edit page

How do I suggest an edit on a page that is locked, due to vandalism? There is a slight mistake on the Clarence Thomas page.

Thank you, Alaina16 (talk) 05:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Alaina16. To request an edit to the Clarence Thomas page, you may put {{Edit semi-protected}} into a new section at Talk:Clarence Thomas alongside the requested change to the article. SkyWarrior 06:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @ SkyWarrior. I appreciate the help. Alaina16 (talk) 06:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Locking certain 'facts' and not locking others is censoring your primary purpose.

You have sold out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.98.128 (talk) 06:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources that we can use or argue for sources to be considered reliable, we'll take them or listen. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

We cannot respond to general complaints. If you have specific concerns about a particular article, please direct them to the article talk page. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, and gives due weight to how information is covered by those sources. If reliable sources are missing, or not being summarized accurately, we want to know about it.

Also note that Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias, nor does it claim to be a reliable source itself. Wikipedia presents the sources to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. You need not agree with what they say and Wikipedia does not make claims as to truth, only that the information herein can be verified. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Note also that we do not lock an article based on its content. We lock an article that has been subjected to frequent disruptive editing (i.e., editing that does not follow our rules and guidelines). This often happens when there are two "sides" to an issue. In a typical situation, a newcomer will see something they disagree with and will edit to "fix" it without realizing that Wikipedia requires that the "fix" must cite a reliable source. When the new material is removed, the newcomer assumes censorship instead of learning the proper way to edit. -Arch dude (talk) 16:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

work and learn

welcome to my page

how to make pdf file

01.go to ms word your computer 02.then select blanck document 03.after type any somethings 04.then go to save bar 05.then go to save as type bar 06.then select pdf 07.then save — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadew.0den (talk • contribs) 12:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sadew.0den: This is not a general help desk, sorry. We only deal with questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Questioning the Artikel?

Why is there not a standard Link for questioning the articel?

e.g. Surfski = the ultimate fintess machine Questioning: How does rowing is a perfect crosstraining for elite kayaking, like surfski?

This should be used like a creative impulse to enhance the articles probably in the future... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.150.7.185 (talk) 12:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

If you have questions about the content of an article or improving an article, you may use the article talk page. Article talk pages, however, are not for general discussion of the subject or promoting the subject. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

locked pages

Hi - Just a quick question about whether semi-locked pages expire at all? The Cardiff Council page has been locked for a while but other municipal councils don't have this added protection. What is the best way to query a locked page with other editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.202.83 (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@87.242.202.83: page protections may or may not expire, depending on the anture of the issiues that led to protection. In case of Cardiff Council, the page has been protected since 2014 for persisitent COI socking. You can make an edit request on the article talkpage Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Praxidicae actions are becoming tantamount to chasing 'Africa Composers' page off Wikipedia and stopping any page updates and edits.

It appears as if the African Composers Wikipedia page is being chased off Wikipedia EVEN DURING editing. The page is still being edited and is already being chased out.

The chasing is being done by a Wikipedia user named "Praxidicae" @Praxidicae . — Preceding unsigned comment added by W3d3PD (talk • contribs) 18:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

W3d3PD, Wikipedia list articles tend only to list people that Wikipedia hosts articles about, or at least include reliable sources supporting the inclusion of individuals on the list. Looking at the history of African composers, I see that Praxidicae has tried removing the names that were both unsourced, and did not have an article to link to, but you have repeatedly reverted their efforts. I don't think that they are trying to drive you off - it looks like they are trying to ensure that the list complies with our policies and guidelines. If you're still working on the list, you could consider moving it into draft space until you're finished with it? Then you could keep working on it until it's fully sourced. I can do this for you, if you're not sure how to do it yourself. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

PINGing @Praxidicae. Seagull123 Φ 18:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello :Girth Summit.

Thank you for responding to my inquiry. Yes, please move the page to draft for me. Thanks. W3d3PD (talk) 18:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

W3d3PD, done. Please take a look at WP:NLIST, which might be helpful. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello :Girth Summit.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

W3d3PD (talk) 22:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Mistake in the content

Hi,

I was checking the below link and i found one sentense as a blunder mistake. Please correct it immediately.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra_(2002_film)

Cast Chiranjeevi as Indrasena Reddy / Shankar Narayana Teja Sajja as Young Indrasena Reddy Aarthi Agarwal as Best Sonali Bendre as Lanja — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balaji.Iska (talk • contribs) 18:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Balaji.Iska. Theres are no restrictions on that article preventing you from making the change yourself (with reference to a reliable source, obviously). --Paul ❬talk❭ 18:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Indra (2002 film). When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Seagull123 Φ 18:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Merging proposition

Maybe Javier Ordóñez protests could be merged into 2019–2020 Colombian protests, of which it is a part of? It would cleanup the infobox too. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 19:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Aquatic Ambiance, you may want to discuss the possibility of a merge at Talk:Javier Ordóñez protests first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

The Influence of Sea Power upon History - Showing its Wikisource info more clearly

Hi, I became interested in this book, The Influence of Sea Power upon History and found out there was a copy of it on Wikisource. However, on the wiki article about it, the link showing there is a copy of it is right at the bottom - a bit obscure. I wanted to know, if within the rules of Wikipedia, if bringing this link to a more prominent location would be possible at all - say underneath the infobox on the page? I just think it could be missed and it's a great source to have that might be overlooked because of the location!

Also, does this link show up on other platforms like the mobile version?

Jamzze (talk) 19:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jamzze. WP:MOSSIS (which is a current style guideline) says that "Most box-type templates such as {{Commons}} shown at right should be put at the beginning of the last section of the article (which is usually, but not necessarily, the "External links" section) so that boxes will appear next to, rather than below, the list items". However, in a footnote, it says "There are exceptions to this general rule. For example, ... a {{wikisource}} template might appear to the right of a TOC if an article is about a treaty to which Wikisource has the original text.". So there is precedent for putting the Wikisource link near the top in some cases. I suggest you either 1) open a discussion about this on the article's talk page, and if nobody has objected in a week or so, move it; or 2) just go ahead and move it yourself. If you do move it, I suggest that you explain in your edit summary, referencing "[[WP:MOSSIS]] footnote a". If somebody undoes your edit because "that's not where it goes", then you would open a discussion with them on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! That was extremely helpful Jamzze (talk) 10:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Visual Editor Not Working

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to edit pages with the visual editor. I have followed the instructions to use the visual editor but it does not seem to work. I have also read the trouble shooting information on the visual editor page. My browser is safari and up to date. My os is MacOSX and it is also up to date. All of my settings seem to be in order for the visual editor to work but it does not show up. Thank You for your help. Robertconnorluce (talk) 19:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Robertconnorluce, what do you mean by "not seem to work"? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: When I go to a page and click the edit button only the markup editor shows up and I do not see a way to turn on the visual editor. Robertconnorluce (talk) 20:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Robertconnorluce, that sounds like you didn't enable the visual editor in your Preferences. Under the Editing tab, double-check that "Disable visual editor while it is still in beta" is unchecked. You might want to change "Editing mode" to "Show me both editor tabs" just to be on the safe side. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Robertconnorluce: What happens when you click here? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and PrimeHunter:, I looked at the preferences and the box was not checked. I then I click reset to default preferences and now I can use the Visual Editor. I am not sure what the issue was because all of my settings were default anyway but it is working now. Thank you for you help. Robertconnorluce (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Psychology

What is the generally accepted definition of passive-aggressive behavior? Please also provide at least one example of this. 162.17.243.194 (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Have you read the Wikipedia article Passive-aggressive behavior? If that does not answer your question, then the best place to post it again is at the Science section of the Reference Desk. (This page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia, not general knowledge). --ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Remove My Profile Please

To Whom It May Concern,

I would be most apprecitive if you would kindly remove my profile.

Thanking you in advance for your prompt attention to this matter.

Dr. Carolyn Farb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.116.21 (talk) 23:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello 70.138.116.21 IP Editor! As we cannot determine if you are indeed Carolyn Farb, it is going to be very difficult to accept prima facie that you have any particular interest in the purported article. Even if you are Carolyn Farb however, there are certain policies that would have to be followed for any article to be deleted. You must demonstrate that the article covers a person that is not notable, as described in wp:basic, and gain consensus for such a delete, as described in wp:BIODEL. I hope this has been helpful, BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 00:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia whose goal is to have an article on every notable subject. Our Carolyn Farb article is about a notable person. We will not delete it. The desires of the subject have (almost) nothing to do with a deletion decision. We can however correct any error if we have a reliable published source for the correction. The subject of an article has no more control of an article's content than does any other Wikipedia editor. -Arch dude (talk) 03:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

January 17

Use of tense for reviews and books?

I've tried scouring MOS:TENSE and similar pages for guidance, but they don't really address the situation I'm facing. For context I'm editing Orochimaru (Naruto), and the problem I have is with the Reception section. Are reviews and books supposed to refer to their authors' opinions in the past or in the present (the latter specifically when they haven't produced anything more recent to express a change of opinion)? My schema basically looks like this:

• Use past tense if the reviewer/author has died or changed their opinion, or if the publication it is found in becomes defunct.
• Use present tense if the reviewer/author is still alive and has not changed their opinion, and the publication is still active.

Thoughts? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Past tense. Unless you're a mind reader, you generally won't know a reviewer's current opinion. And who wants to rewrite an article if they do change their mind (and publicize it)? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! For some reason both sounded odd to me at the time, but that's been cleared up now. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding an option to the rocket infobox, and can't place in the proper place in the sample infobox.

I added "destroyed before launch" as an option to the rocket infobox, but when I try to add it to the documentation, it winds up in the sixth stage section of the sample infobox, instead of where I think I placed it. Skrelk (talk) 03:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Skrelk: The order of the parameters passed to {{Parameter names example}} in the documentation has no effect on their display. The problem is in the {{Infobox rocket}} template itself. You have added the new parameter using "label116" and "data116", and 116 is a higher number than any of the other parameters. This tells the underlying {{Infobox}} code that the new parameter should be listed after all the others. You'll have to re-number the existing parameters, carefully, to insert the new parameter where you want it. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll fix that. Skrelk (talk) 20:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

IP tagged as a sock appears to still be editing 2 months later, in same subject areas

I'm uncertain whether the tagging as a sock was in error, or if I misconstrue Wikipedia's rules. On 15 November, the IP was tagged as a sock of user:Charito2000. They have made 34 edits since that date, in the same subject area as before 15 November, and their Talk page history has never had any notices about socking, either. How can their actual status be determined, and how did this ambiguous situation come about? I will now attempt to revert all their edits.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Need a bot to change hundreds of hyperlinks

Hello. I have recently renamed numerous pages, as their title was ambiguous. Since there is no need to check manually, a bot can be used to do all those changes.
The top priority are those pages: the hyperlinks to "Interdict" should be changed to Interdict (Catholic canon law), e.g. like this, as soon as possible. The only problem I can see is that some pages are in this list because Interdict was used in Template:Papacy which I changed a bit less than one day ago so that now it uses Interdict (Catholic canon law), therefore the generated list I posted may not have been updated yet.
I would be grateful of any help! @Primefac:, did you not have a bot to do those kind of tasks? Veverve (talk) 04:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve: Because Interdict redirects to Interdict (disambiguation), all of your links will fall into the pool of links needing disambiguation. By the time you could get a bot running on this, the large and aggressive group of disambiguators will have corrected your links using their semi-automated tools. They will (probably) also catch any incorrect uses of the hyperlink. -Arch dude (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve: Redirecting Interdict to Interdict (disambiguation) is against Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Page naming. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: indeed, I forgot about this, thanks for pointing this out! Will copy and pasting the content of the disambiguation page into the current Interdict work, or is there a more optimal method I do not know about? Veverve (talk) 13:35, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve: Non-admins can request a move with {{db-move}} like {{db-move|1=Interdict (disambiguation)|2=[[MOS:DABPAGENAME]]}}, but it may be controversial per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and Talk:Interdict (Catholic canon law)#Requested move. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: are you sure the code is correct? Will it not ask for the deletion of the Interdict page? Veverve (talk) 18:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve: Yes, it asks for the deletion of Interdict, and moving Interdict (disambiguation) to the title. The current page only has redirects in the page history. Such redirects are routinely deleted during moves. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: should it not be the contrary? I think "Interdict" should be the main DAB, with Interdict (disambiguation) as a redirect to "Interdict". Veverve (talk) 18:35, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve: That's exactly what will happen if Interdict (disambiguation) is moved to Interdict. The existing redirect will be deleted before or during the move. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Since there is a previous consensus to have the Catholic law as the primary target, I have moved it back. I suggest an RM to get things rolled around. Primefac (talk) 18:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Total? erasure of talk material

I recently responded to a request-for-speedy-deletion announcement. I wrote on the talk page of the artist Kim Tschang-yeul‎ that there was reason to believe that the article was not a case of plagiarism. I cited the long history of the article (going back five or ten years, I believe -- it has all been expunged). One person responded, indicating that s/he thought it still looked like plagiarism. I wrote back that I would contact the site (Boon Galleries) that had similar text and ask them if they had in fact copied the Wikipedia site. I believe this all took place yester-day. Today, I see that there is no record in my own list of what I have written of what I wrote yester-day (I don't know if my work years ago has also be deleted). The site for the artist has none of the discussion on the talk page. It has new, cursory content, no picture (the picture previously on the article page was not on the Boon site), and only at the bottom of the history page "quick stub after deletion from copyvio thank Tag: 2017 wikitext editor." I got no notice that the original article had been deleted. Whether there was a response to my second entry on the talk page, I don't know because that page is now empty (Yeah, yeah, there is probably some way of finding it somewhere, but the average editor might not know that and certainly doesn't know how). Why was this deletion done so fast, before a reasonable time to see if Boon in fact had copied the Wikipedia site (the other editor responded to me that the WayBack engine could not find a date for the Boon page) and without informing the person actively trying to check this out (i.e., me)? Kdammers (talk) 04:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Kdammers, according to the page log, admin Jimfbleak deleted it under speedy deletion criterion G12 for unambiguous copyright infringement of https://www.boongallery.com/artist/237791/tschang-yeul-kim. Older revisions (or entire page histories) have to be deleted if they are found to infringe copyright. I do not know the history behind the article, so I'll defer to other editors who know more. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Kdammers, it could equally have been deleted as G11 as basically a largely unsourced fan page full of opinions and light on verified facts. However, AleatoryPonderings has kindly created a new, compliant version, so all is well Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: I examined the deleted page history. It seems clear that https://www.boongallery.com/artist/237791/tschang-yeul-kim copied from Wikipedia somewhere between [10] and [11] (admin-only links). The Wikipedia article had many gradual edits to get there. I think the page history should be undeleted. Kdammers created it in 2006. It didn't become a fan page until 2017. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, fair enough, history restored, and I've watchlisted it now to try to stop it becoming a mess again Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Jimfbleak, thank you for restoring the Kim Tschang-yeul‎. Is it possible to restore the talk page that used to be behind it, Talk:Kim Tschang-yeul? --DavidCary (talk) 19:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Repeated Case of Vandalism

 Courtesy link: Asiya Andrabi

There is a page on Wikipedia of a female political activist, Asiya Andrabi. She is a political prisoner and has been struggling for the self-determination of the people of Kashmir, a right granted to them by the United Nations. But repeatedly, people from India edit her page and add misinformation and propaganda to it. I edit it back along with legitimate citations and references. Yet, it is changed again and again. She is a woman and associating lies with her can harm her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IbnOmar1 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @IbnOmar1: thanks for your contributions so far! The changes you made to the article made the article read more like an essay than an encyclopaedia article. I suggest you read the messages and links in the welcome message I left on your talk page, and then discuss the changes you want made at the article's talk page. You may want to seek input from relevant WikiProjects, such as the ones listed at the top of Talk:Asiya Andrabi, or Talk:Kashmir. Seagull123 Φ 13:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

How can I include my name in Wikipedia

How can I include my name in Wikipedia...???

Sylva Portoian-Shuhaiber, MD,MSc,MFPHM,FRCP.CH (UK) (Pediatrician & Poet) Winner of The Carnegie Poetry Prize, Spring 2009 Twenty Historical Poetry Books in three languages globally. and 10 medical articles in international journals including The Lancet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1851:8003:4D45:E08F:6B48:B7CA:8647 (talk) 09:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation.Template:Z26 Seagull123 Φ 13:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Also note that Wikipedia strongly discourages people writing articles about themselves, read WP:AUTO for more about this. Seagull123 Φ 13:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

The only absolute requirement for a Wikipedia article is that its subject is notable by our definition. see WP:N. In an oversimplified nutshell, there must be two or more substantial articles about the subject published in wide-circulation periodicals. We do not count what you have published, only what reporters have published. This is a very hard criterion to meet for academics and scientists. Please do not put any further effort into a Wikipedia article until you are certain that you meet the criterion. We end up deleting more than 200 articles every day, mostly due to lack of notability. -Arch dude (talk) 17:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Help getting whole post

I am trying to get to the bottom of one of your posts. It won’t let me get to the bottom of the screen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.25.128.183 (talk) 09:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Which page is it about and how far do you get? Which device are you using? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

New wikipedia entry

Greetings. How do people create new pages/entries in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhanbokhari (talk • contribs) 11:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Farhanbokhari: sucessfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks one can undertake on Wikipedia, is requires much effort and practice. That being said, there are guides with stepss available here, here or here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Farhanbokhari: Start by picking a notable subject that does not yet have an article. The only absolute requirement for a Wikipedia article is that its subject is notable by our definition. see WP:N. In an oversimplified nutshell, there must be two or more substantial articles about the subject published in wide-circulation periodicals. Please do not put any further effort into a Wikipedia article until you are certain that the subject meets the criterion. We end up deleting more than 200 articles every day, mostly due to lack of notability. We can and will help you with any other problems with an article, but we cannot help you overcome a lack of notability. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Account name change

I want to change my name to Akshat2103 from Sarika9140. Sarika9140 (talk) 13:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sarika9140, Hi, you can request that your account be renamed in several ways. If you have a confirmed email adres you can use Special:GlobalRenameRequest, otherwise you can use Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple. However before requesting a rename it would be wise to read Wikipedia:Changing username if you haven't done so already Asartea ^{Talk | Contribs} 13:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Citation error

Category:CS1: long volume value error has occurred. The problem arose with ref 18 of Several complex variables. Probably because I wrote No.2 . Is there another way to write it? thanks!--SilverMatsu (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@SilverMatsu: The category does not imply an error but just something to check. It looks OK to me. Template:Citation#Edition, series, volume has the example |volume=IV / #10 which would also produce the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for teaching me. I'm relieved.--SilverMatsu (talk) 14:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

where do i view my lists?

i have lists on your app... where do i find them on a browser? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rallen444 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rallen444: mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists and offline reading says: "Your reading lists will also be available if you log in to the iOS version of the app. However, at the moment your reading lists are not accessible from the desktop or mobile web version of the Wikipedia website." mw:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ#Can I access my reading lists on the web? says: "Currently you need to use a browser extension which is free and available on the Firefox, Safari and Chrome web stores." But the link to the extension only talks about adding to the list and says: "your saved articles may only be viewed within the app". I haven't tried it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

How to be sure no one else is drafting the same subject

Hello,

I am drafting User:Chidgk1/Climate change in Brazil, which is not yet ready.

Given that Climate change in Brazil is currently a redirect, if anyone else starts drafting the same subject would they be notified that I am already working on it? And can I find out if anyone else is already working on the subject? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Chidgk1 The only thing you can do is monitor the redirect to see if someone else writes an article there. You could also monitor possible draft titles, though that is harder to do since it could theoretically be created under any title. No one else would know that you are working on the topic unless they monitor possible titles as well. Anyone is free to create any article at any time- it's just the way it is. 331dot (talk) 16:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks that was useful info as I had not realised before that we could monitor pages which do not yet exist. So I have put Effects of global warming on Brazil on my watchlist. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: My admin account can see Effects of global warming on Brazil has 1 watcher but that was expected. Admins cannot see who are watching. If you want to increase the chance that potential article creators discover your draft then you could add something like this at the end of the redirect page:

Note: A user is working on a draft at Draft:Climate change in Brazil.

Also say it in the edit summary. You probably know how to search in namespaces but just in case, it's mentioned at Help:Searching#Namespaces. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

New section not appearing after closed discussion

I need help with this talk page. I started a new section after a closed discussion, but it’s not showing. Please help. Template talk:Coup d'état —-Beneficii (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Beneficii: Fixed with this edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi!, question about military service

Hello and happy birthday Wikipedia!, I'd like to know how to add the service in both World Wars to the infoboxes of Jack Thayer and Edward Arthur Dorking, the former has a "person infobox" and I don't know how to add his service and the latter, I'd make the infobox for him if helped. Thank you a lot, and may you be blessed. CoryGlee (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@CoryGlee: You can use a module parameter to include another template (e.g. {{Infobox military person}}) inside {{Infobox person}}. The included template should make use of the embed and embed_title parameters to fit its appearance to embedding context, as described in its documentation. --CiaPan (talk) 19:52, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@CoryGlee: here is a detailed example Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed ~ Shushugah (talk) 19:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sometimes you can also add another template separately if the person's military career is just a part of the whole biography, like e.g. J. R. R. Tolkien#First World War. --CiaPan (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

CiaPan, Shushugah, thanks for your so kind responses!, I did it in Jack Thayer could you check it if it's correctly done? And I brave myself for the second person? I'd gladly thank you a check. Bless you forever. CoryGlee (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Yup! Excellent job on Jack Thayer! ~ Shushugah (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Well done, CoryGlee! :) --CiaPan (talk) 20:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Account closure - HammadManzoor

Hi, I am sending this email to you to request to close/remove my Wikipedia profile/account. Reason being that I have been no longer using it for years.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammadmanzoor (talk • contribs) 20:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello HammadManzoor, I am a normal Wikipedia user. I also requested the same and I was told by a Wikipedia executive that Wikipedia account can't be deleted. Sarika9140 (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hammadmanzoor: Wikipedia can't delete accounts because the licences it uses require contributions to be attributed to an account. You could try and ask for a courtesy vanishing, though those are given at a steward's discretion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Please review my article

The link is as follows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mother_Bird_(sculpture) Sarika9140 (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sarika9140, as the submit template states, it can take a while for a reviewer to get to your article in the backlog. Please be patient and work on something else in the meantime. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Aren't u a reviewer? Sarika9140 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I am not. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Nor am I. But I know enough to tell you that a draft citing only one source, a source which is based on statements made by the subject's creator, will certainly not be accepted. Maproom (talk) 20:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)