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Template spam reform idea

Hi there Sdkb, I'm toying with a proposal to reduce template spam, which perhaps you could comment on. My idea is that any template includes "discuss the issue" or "Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page" can be removed by any editor, if there was never a discussion begun on the talk page about such issues. In my mind, other editors can't be expected to read the mind of drive-by templaters, and it's not their responsibility to do so. Additionally, if the templater can't be bothered to even give one sentence on the talk page, that's on them.

I've found myself frequently removing templates undersuch rationales, see here most recently.

Examples of such templates include {{Original research}} & {{Too few opinions}}, among many others. How does it sound? Aza24 (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I just saw a comment from you a few years back at Template talk:GANotice#Linking to the assessment subpage. I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but given that we have a new bot & operator, perhaps this could be easily implemented now. Aza24 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aza24! So sorry for the delayed reply here! On template spam, I think such reform would have to be worded carefully. For some maintenance templates, the issue is fairly obvious to any other experienced editor, so a message on the talk page wouldn't add much additional information. If anyone doesn't understand why a template was added, I think they should always be free to remove it, but I wouldn't want any reform to give carte blanche permission for people to start going around removing maintenance templates en masse/semi-automated, since my sense is that most such templates tend to point to valid issues. The more common cause of template spam that I come across is that an article is tagged with both major and minor issues, and the minor issues add up to spam. One way to try to address that would be to try come up with pairs of related maintenance templates, where we can agree that if an article is tagged with one, that covers the other, making it unneeded. The secondary one could then be removed through an AWB task.

I think I also have a slightly different philosophical view about the level of responsibility taggers have. When one comes across a deficiency in an article, we could say the three actions available are just tagging it, tagging and adding a talk page message, and directly resolving it. Directly resolving it (presuming one has the skills to do so) is obviously the best but also most time-consuming option. Adding a maintenance tag, on the other hand, does less to help but is super quick. They're therefore often used when someone notices an issue but isn't invested enough in the article (or just doesn't have the time) to actually resolve it. Requiring that maintenance tags always be accompanied with a talk page message, which has to be composed by hand, would substantially increase the time it takes to add them, and therefore might push some editors to just not bother and leave the article untagged.

The last thing that comes to mind on the template spam issue is that we need to do a better job specializing our messaging for readers vs. editors. Deficiencies like insufficient references are relevant for readers and properly belong as a notice for them on the article, but a lot of yellow-colored (style issue) maintenance tags are not, and are relevant only for editors. Those would more properly be displayed in editnotices rather than banners. We already recognize this issue a little bit in e.g. {{Orphan}} not displaying after a few months, but if I was going to get more involved in this area, converting some banners to a new type of editnotice (and having tools like Twinkle be able to handle this, which might be difficult given the current template-protection editnotices need to have for technical reasons) would be an initiative I'd take on.

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 17:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And regarding {{GANotice}}, I was referring to the fact that many forms of the notice currently don't link to the specific nomination page for the GA, e.g. Talk:F. Andrieu/GA1. It looks like there is a parameter that allows for that in some (it seems not all?) forms of the notice, but in practice it seems never to be used (or at least didn't at the time I wrote that message) because the notice is typically delivered by bot.

I think it might be possible to create a template that takes as input an article and returns the link to the GA nomination page where it passed, but it might be easier to address on the bot operator's side. Feel free to ping the new operator and perhaps they can look into it!

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 18:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:If this year

Template:If this year has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2024).

Administrator changes

CheckUser changes

Guideline and policy news

Administrator elections are a proposed new process for selecting administrators, offering an alternative to requests for adminship (RfA). The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with candidate sign-up from October 8 to 14, a discussion phase from October 22 to 24, and SecurePoll voting from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections.
Following a discussion, the speedy deletion reason "File pages without a corresponding file" has been moved from criterion G8 to F2. This does not change what can be speedily deleted.
A request for comment is open to discuss whether there is a consensus to have an administrator recall process.

Arbitration

The arbitration case Historical elections has been closed.
An arbitration case regarding Backlash to diversity and inclusion has been opened.
Editors are invited to nominate themselves to serve on the 2024 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission until 23:59 October 8, 2024 (UTC).

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Cooooooookiezzzzzzzz

Cookies!

ButterNoodle has given you some cookies! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the "WikiLove" by giving someone else some cookies, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookies}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

ButterNoodle, yum! Thank you! Sdkb ^talk 06:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A racecar for you!

	A racecar for you!
	Great seeing you again at WCNA! Your talk made me feel the urge to get back into copyediting FACs (though I'm scared of how much the whole FA process may have changed since I was last doing that, uh... ten years ago... @_@) Anyway, till next time IRL and in the meantime, see you round the wikis! Accedie^{talk to me} 16:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Accedie! Good luck with any FACs you launch! Sdkb ^talk 17:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A goat for you!

I want to thank you for your lecture on article quality degradation at WCNA. I dare say it was the most interesting and useful talk of the whole conference.

—Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 19:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's high praise, Compassionate727; thank you! (For any talk page stalkers, the presentation slides, based off my essay WP:ENDURE, are here, and the audio will be up soon once they process it.) Sdkb ^talk 17:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barncompass for you!

	WikiConference North America 2024 Barncompass
	Thank you for successfully completing all 13 tasks in the 2024 edition of the Editing Challenge! We hope you continue to contribute towards different sister projects. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, OhanaUnited! I had noticed in the closing session that you listed me as only having completed some of the tasks, so I was wondering where I had been disqualified; I guess this means I actually wasn't disqualified after all? Sdkb ^talk 17:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was in a hurry and might have missed some things (or that I only saw some of your tasks being marked as complete when I was creating the slides, and you subsequently updated the table). OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@OhanaUnited, I updated the table just before the noon deadline that was announced. No worries — it was indeed a tight timeline! For next year, it might make sense to announce an earlier deadline, so that you can be sure to consider all the contributions submitted by then. Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 21:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was updating it around noon. Probably it was still using an outdated cache on my laptop so it didn't show your 13 completed tasks. I'll mark that as a to-do item next year. The time crunch was definitely difficult to manage since we had to hand out a physical prize (rather than just virtual). OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 23:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Growth News, October 2024

Current work

Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module

We will add a new module to the Newcomer Homepage that will allow communities to highlight specific events, projects, campaigns, and initiatives. We have released a simple version on beta wikis and we will soon start an A/B test on our pilot wikis. This module will only display on the Newcomer Homepage if communities decide to utilize it, so learn how to configure the Community Updates module, or share your thoughts on the project's talk page.

Constructive activation experimentation

After showcasing early design ideas at Wikimania, we conducted user testing of design prototypes. We now aim to engage communities in further discussions and plan to run a targeted experiment, presenting a structured task within the reading view to logged-in new account holders with zero edits.

Community Configuration

This Community Configuration extension was developed to help communities customize wiki features to meet their unique needs. The Growth team is now helping other Wikimedia Foundation teams make their products configurable:

The Moderation Tools team now provides Community Configuration for Automoderator. (T365046)
Certain Babel extension settings will be configurable soon. (T328171)

Future work

As part of the Growth team annual plan, we will continue to investigate ways to increase constructive activation on mobile, while also working with Data Products to move forward A/B testing functionality via the Metrics Platform.

Community events

Growth team members presented Community Configuration: Shaping On-Wiki Functionality Together at Wikimania (slides). The session recording is available to watch on YouTube. This session provided an update on the Community Configuration project and introduced details about the upcoming features that communities will soon be able to configure. Representatives from the Moderator Tools, Editing, Web, and Campaigns teams shared their plans for utilizing Community Configuration in the future. Following these presentations, the WMF Growth team's Benoît Evellin and Martin Urbanec answered audience questions.
Habib Mhenni gave a presentation of how mentorship works at WikiIndaba 2024. The recording is available.

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Invitation to participate in a research

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Question from Germitage (01:55, 25 October 2024)

I am glad to have a mentor, and hope you're not an AI. I was reading the wikipedia article on Alfred Orage, and found a few items in the article that I thought I could illuminate with material from my own library and researches. It was surprising how many paths that led me down, and the limitations that Google search still has (i.e., I was able to find information it had not incorporated into its dataset, and I'm by no means a search expert.) Anyway, I added my discoveries to the best of my ability to the Talk page for this article. I don't like to concept of me being able to edit an article live any more than I think a writer should be published just because he wants to be. I am hoping that my information makes for a more accurate and interesting article. Incidentally, in the box at the beginning about improving the article it suggests that a photo be added, but the article does have one...can I suggest that suggestion be corrected? Well, thanks for reading this if you have and please feel free to write me back at any time. Germitage --Germitage (talk) 01:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Germitage! I'm not an AI (at least that I'm aware...). Thanks for contributing your knowledge to Talk:Alfred Richard Orage and hope you stick around to make more contributions elsewhere!

I've removed the image request from the talk page. It was asking for a freely licensed image, whereas the one there now is fair use, but for a historical figure it's unlikely that anyone will be able to fulfill such a request (you can't go take a picture of a deceased person the same way you can a building...) so it wasn't doing much good.

Regarding the information about him, Wikipedia foundationally aims to be a tertiary source compiling the information found in secondary sources like newspapers and books. As such, we do not accept original research that has not been published elsewhere. That may somewhat limit what would be appropriate to contribute to the article at this point. But to the extent you can find sources that back up the information you'd like to add, we encourage you to be bold and add it! That article is currently assessed as C-class, so there is lots of room for improvement!

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly for your helpful information. I think I can document all the comments I made in the talk page from published (even if not easily available) sources. The main thing I worry about is "where to stop" :)

For instance, the article mentions that Orage's gravestone has an Enneagram on it. I found three sources that confirm that: a mention of it in his biography, a description of the gravestone from the website of the churchyard where he's buried, showing a drawing of the enneagram, and a photo of the gravestone found on a site called findagrave.com. It seems like overkill to provide all those sources, but I don't have any reason to include one than another. I don't even know if it's permitted to include the findagrave link.

Also, the current text states that his disciples paid for the creation of the gravestone, but none of my sources corroborate that.

Anyway, I feel a little guilty to include all this, but since you answered my last question, I thought I'd ask this.

Maybe I should just go ahead and put all the stuff I found into the appropriate places in the article, and see what other editors decide is appropriate. I am perfectly willing to accept the decision of editors; in any case, I assume all my wonderful work, even if not used, will always be stashed away in the talk page. Germitage (talk) 05:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Germitage, good questions! First, on "where to stop", the guiding principles for what information to include or not include in an article are WP:DUEWEIGHT and WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Basically, information that has been discussed by reliable sources can be included in a concise manner. The definition of a reliable source can be complex, but Find A Grave would not be considered reliable because it contains user-generated content. In general, I would include only the highest-quality source(s) for a piece of information that are available — the goal is always to ensure that facts are verifiable, so if e.g. there's an NYT feature available, no need to include anything else.

Regarding the current text, is there a citation for that fact? If so, you can check whether it corroborates it. If so, we're good. If there is but it doesn't, you could add the {{failed verification}} tag to the sentence (let me know if you need help doing so) or just remove the fact entirely if you suspect it is false. If there's no citation, the typical steps are to either remove it (again, best to do this when you suspect it's false) or tag it with {{citation needed}} (although in this case, I wouldn't do that since the orange tag at the top of the article covers that, and we don't want to tag bomb).

Regarding the last question, yes, I'd definitely encourage you to be bold and edit the article directly! The revision history is stored permanently, so if you accidentally mess anything up it'll be easy for others to fix it.

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 21:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Per capita

Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Per capita has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator election votes

Hi talk page stalkers! I'm casting my votes in the administrator elections, and in the spirit of Wikipedian transparency (and experimenting with RfA dynamics) I figured I'd disclose how I'm voting.

Some process notes: I spent roughly 1-2 hr. making my choices. I relied on a mixture of information in candidate guides, the statements/questions/discussion on nomination pages, and (in a few cases) my own impressions of the candidate from past interactions. If you do the math with the timing, you'll see that it doesn't work out to much time per candidate, so in some cases snap judgements/cursory looks were involved. Therefore, no one should take my choices to carry much weight as an (anti-)endorsement (unlike my normal RfA !votes, where I tend not to weigh in unless I have a strong view I'll stand behind). I chose not to make any abstentions, since (unlike RfA neutrals) those don't have any impact.

Overall, I think I was somewhat tougher than I would be at a normal RfA, both to compensate for the fact that they are receiving less scrutiny than normal candidates (and thus small observed issues may hint at larger missed ones) and because the culture of AEC seems to involve fewer nominators who might have caught issues in vetting. (Some advice for candidates: Run with nominators! Their endorsement will help you, and you'll avoid giving the impression that you don't have them because no one was willing.) Some issues that I'd probably have been able to overlook at a normal RfA, such as a lack of quality content nominations, therefore became WP:NOTQUITEYET dealbreakers here.

If anyone wants to know why I voted a particular way on a particular candidate, I'll be happy to discuss if I can remember. I'm also open to being persuaded if anyone wants to convince me I'm wrong about a candidate and should revote (I view dialogue with you all, who I probably trust more than the average Wikipedian, as a step in the process to help me catch instances where I might be voting differently than I would had I done more thorough vetting). With that preamble done, my votes:

Candidate	My vote	% outcome
Ahecht	Yes	76.32%
AntiDionysius	Yes	64.75%
Bastun	No	51.24%
DoubleGrazing	Yes	74.63%
Dr vulpes	Yes	76.48%
EggRoll97	No	39.89%
FOARP	Yes	71.66%
Frost	No	27.57%
Hawkeye7	No	44.12%
Knightoftheswords281	No	16.08%
Leonidlednev	No	25.14%
LindsayH	Yes	66.48%
MarcGarver	Yes	68.91%
Mdewman6	Yes	59.82%
Pbritti	Yes	67.37%
Peaceray	Yes	71.62%
Pharaoh of the Wizards	No	40.53%
Queen of Hearts	Yes	78.74%
Robert McClenon	No	55.70%
Rsjaffe	Yes	78.19%
Sable232	No	55.03%
SD0001	Yes	75.18%
SilverLocust	Yes	82.42%
Sohom Datta	Yes	73.40%
Spy-cicle	No	39.34%
Starship.paint	No	54.34%
SWinxy	No	48.70%
ThadeusOfNazereth	Yes	78.48%
The Squirrel Conspiracy	No	64.55%
Valenciano	Yes	68.42%
Velella	No	49.22%
Zippybonzo	No	17.77%

Lastly, one overall impression about the process: While I appreciate that the random sorting helped avoid any undue scrutiny of candidates based on alphabetical order of usernames, it made it quite a bit harder to match everyone up with the voter guides/nomination pages as I was going through them. I hope that we'll find a way to make this easier if we do this again.

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 05:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the transparency :) There's a few where we voted differently, but nothing I feel like I need to argue with you over. As to your last point: I'd prefer an alphabetical listing where the starting point is random (so every candidate shows up at the top the same number of times, but it's not too hard to correlate to an actual alphabetical list elsewhere). Elli (talk | contribs) 05:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea! Sdkb ^talk 05:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I love that idea. I have filed phab:T378313! House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like that "somewhat tougher than I would be at a normal RfA" still means 17 yes. Helps give me hope that we will get a bunch of new admins out of this experiment. -- asilvering (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an outcomes column now that results have been released. It appears that I was more generous than the electorate as a whole. Sdkb ^talk 22:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What should be done about 2020 census results on US city/town/CDP articles?

Hi Sdkb. I noticed that you proposed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities that the discussion about the 2020 census issue be moved to another location, but then it looks like you reverted your own edit. I think moving the discussion elsewhere is a good idea. We don't want a page devoted to a broad subject like cities to be swamped with potentially dozens of longish entries about a subject few people will be interested in. Closing the topic with a pointer to where the discussion is continuing seems to be the way to go. Why the revert? PopePompus (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to close the thread at the Village Pump, pointing to the discussion you started at WT:CITIES to consolidate everything there. Sillily, I accidentally closed the discussion at WT:CITIES, circularly redirecting to WT:CITIES. I reverted that and then closed the discussion I meant to at the pump. Hope that clarifies! Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 18:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know?

Hello Sdkb, I liked your suggestion about a "Did You Know" for the LaTasha Barnes article. I am going to try posting that. Thanks very much, Wroliver (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wroliver, good luck! There is still cleanup work to do at LaTasha Barnes to make it less promotional and more encyclopedic—you can look at the biographies of other dancers (say, Frankie Manning) to get a sense of what's expected. If you have any questions, or once you've completed your edits, post at the nomination page to let the reviewer, Dumelow, know. I'd do one of those two today, since if you don't show that you're actively working on it, the nomination will time out.

I know DYK can be a haul, but it's worth it to see the article appear on the Main Page (with its 6 million daily views)!

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 14:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sdkb,

Thanks for the link to Manning's bio. I will do some additional work on the article to make it less promotional.

192.65.213.200 (talk) 15:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sdkb,

I've responded to all corrections requested in my LaTasha Barnes article. I had been corresponding with Dumelow about it, but most of the conversations on his talk page have disappeared, including mine. I'm wondering if you can help. I tried posting the new DYK hook that you suggested, and was asked to make changes to the article. Would you be able to approve the hook and article? How should I proceed?

Thanks,

Wroliver (talk) 20:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Wroliver! The central place to discuss any DYK nomination is the DYK nomination page, in this case Template:Did you know nominations/LaTasha Barnes. So I would put all replies there. You can ping Dumelow (using the @ symbol or the person-plus icon) to give him a notification if needed. He needs to grant approval for the nomination to proceed. (Your prior conversation on Dumelow's talk page has been archived, something many users do to keep their talk pages from becoming too long. It's here. The possibility that conversations elsewhere get archived or missed is one reason to keep all discussion centralized at the nomination page.) Hope that helps! Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! I will go back to the nominations page. Wroliver (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions from Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (08:40, 29 October 2024)

Assalomu alaykum men iqtibozni qanday yarataman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assalomu alaykum vikipediya nima qanday joylayman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assalomu alaykum iqtibozni qanday yarataman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna: Hi! Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. We have an Uzbek edition that may be useful to you — see uz:Bosh Sahifa.

Salom! Vikipediya - bu onlayn ensiklopediya. Bizda siz uchun foydali boʻlishi mumkin boʻlgan oʻzbekcha nashr mavjud — ushbu sahifaga qarang: uz:Bosh Sahifa Sdkb ^talk 14:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mobtown Ballroom

On 30 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mobtown Ballroom, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mobtown Ballroom and Café enlisted volunteers to build its sprung wood floor by hand – twice? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mobtown Ballroom. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mobtown Ballroom), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – November 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2024).

Administrator changes

Crisco 1492

CheckUser changes

Maxim

Oversighter changes

Maxim

Guideline and policy news

Following a discussion, the discussion-only period proposal that went for a trial to refine the requests for adminship (RfA) process has been discontinued.
Following a request for comment, Administrator recall is adopted as a policy.

Technical news

Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068

Arbitration

RoySmith, Barkeep49 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2024 Arbitration Committee Elections. ThadeusOfNazereth and Dr vulpes are reserve commissioners.
Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate from 3 November 2024 until 12 November 2024 to stand in the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections.
The Arbitration Committee is seeking volunteers for roles such as clerks, access to the COI queue, checkuser, and oversight.

Miscellaneous

An unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in November 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Genesis (Lebrun)

On 8 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Genesis (Lebrun), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rico Lebrun refused to submit sketches of Genesis (detail pictured), a mural commissioned by Pomona College, for approval by its board of trustees? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Genesis (Lebrun). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Genesis (Lebrun)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pomona College revert

I absolutely agree with your revert of the See Also links for Pomona College. How I ended up on the college's page, I have no idea, because immediately thereafter, I added the same See Also to KSPC, its radio station. I'm working from the recently added List of college radio stations in the United States, and this would be the first and only time I've accessed a page other than a radio station's. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 22:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Higginbothampub (03:53, 11 November 2024)

Hello. I wanted to create a new page for Nicole Higginbotham-Hogue. How do I go about doing that? --Higginbothampub (talk) 03:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Higginbothampub! See Help:Your first article. Also, since your username relates to the subject, see Wikipedia:Conflicts of interest. Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 05:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from WikiEditor5678910 (00:44, 12 November 2024)

What is a role beyond editor on Wikipedia that is easy to achieve? --WikiEditor5678910 (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiEditor5678910, I suggest applying for Certified Hat Collector.^{[just kidding]} Actually, though, Rollbacker is typically one of the first granted. Best, Sdkb ^talk 01:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from Sandeepchennai (11:56, 19 November 2024)

is my content fine to publish? --Sandeepchennai (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Your first article. Sdkb ^talk 15:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Sandeepchennai (10:20, 20 November 2024)

is my content fine to publish? i have given possible reference links and cite links --Sandeepchennai (talk) 10:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which content? Please link to it. Sdkb ^talk 15:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

For your work at Teahouse. Best, Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I happily drink the tea, Luke Elaine Burke! The Teahouse is a place I'm always happy to be! Sdkb ^talk 15:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions on Editing

What is the main purpose of Editing on Wikipedia?. And can you just Edit without having any reasonable reason?. Raph Williams65 (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Raph Williams65: We're here to write an encyclopedia. You don't need any particular reason to start editing (there are many), so long as your contributions are constructive toward that goal. Sdkb ^talk 18:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Questions from Raph Williams65 on Adminship

Hey User:Sdkb.

*How can i become an Admin?. What does it takes to become an Administrator?. What is the significant role of an Administrator on Wikipedia?.

-- Raph Williams65 (talk) 08:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Raph Williams65, see Wikipedia:Administrator. Sdkb ^talk 08:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rotten Tomatoes and Wikidata

When filling in the "Critic's response" in a film's en.wiki WP article, I update the Wikidata for the film, then use the following in the WP article: {{RT prose|{{RT data|score}}|{{RT data|average}}|{{RT data|count}}|prose prose prose prose|ref=yes|access-date={{RT data|date}}}}

Short and sweet, very very convenient, automatically updates the WP article if some user later updates the Wikidata fields.

A challenge is that, if the information for the Rotten Tomatoes average rating has "/10" included in the Wikidata field, it results in a double "/10/10" appearing in the WP article. For example, for the 2021 film Oxygen, putting 6.8/10 in the Wikidata field results in the en.wikipedia article displaying:

... of 106 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 6.8/10/10.

The only way to avoid this is to not include the "/10" when filling in the Wikidata field, resulting in the en.wikipedia article properly showing:

... of 106 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 6.8/10.

While this "workaround" resulted in a nice output for en.wikipedia articles, it has been brought to my attention, by de.wiki editor Eiragorn, that leaving out some of the extra detail in the cross-language shared Wikidata is resulting in issues for the templates used in the WP articles in other languages. The "workaround" to make the en.wikipedia template work is hurting other ill.wikipedia templates.

I should point out that, until very recently, this "double display" issue would also happen if the Tomatometer score, in the Wikidata file, had the "%" symbol included, resulting in a double "%%" appearing in the en.wikipedia article. For the Oxygen example, this produced:

On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 90%% of 106 critics' reviews...

It appears this has been fixed in the en.wikipedia template. In fact, it is "beyond fixed", as you can now enter the digits by themselves (90), or the digits and the symbol (90%), and the result in always a single "%" appearing in the en.wikipedia article. For the Oxygen example, this now always produces:

On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 90% of 106 critics' reviews...

Can the {{RT data|average}}, for use in en.wikipedia articles, be adjusted to always show a proper, single, "/10" in the WP article? I can, then, gleefully will in the Wikidata fields with all the proper addons (%, /10) and not worry that it blows up other ill.wikis.

If I should take this to someone else, please point me in the right direction. Either way, thank you for your help. Jmg38 (talk) 23:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jmg38! Good questions. I would actually start by going to Wikidata and asking there what the proper format for recording the information is. It might be that they have some different way of recording the /10 denominator and that you therefore shouldn't include it in the value. Or not. They also have the ability to introduce constraint violations or make mass edits to enforce the proper format.

Once that's done, we (and the other Wikipedias) can then work with it as a baseline. It'd certainly still be good to make {{RT data}} more flexible, though, so that it can better handle errors at Wikidata. Having it either enforce the /10 or force its omission for RT data sounds very doable. @Indagate has done some work on the module recently, and might be able to help or might know who else could.

Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 00:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will pursue those ideas. Thank you. Jmg38 (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, the template's can be combined with less code, like {{RT data|prose|consensus=...|ref=yes}}, this means each template is only called once in the article, done this at the Oxygen article mentioned and seems to fix the double /10 issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indagate (talk • contribs) 03:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WTH(eck), Indagate?!?! A win!! I found the longer one a few years ago in a film article, have been typing the whole thing out for years (a lie – I just copy and paste). BTW, the folks at the Wikidata discussion confirmed status quo for their data requirements, suggested addressing the en.wikipedia templates I was using – which you have now bested. Thank you for this, and thank you Eiragorn and Sdkb for your parts in this short, and nicely resolved, discussion. Jmg38 (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! If there are improvements to the documentation or Wikidata constraints we could make to make the best practice clearer, I'd suggest it so that this same question doesn't come up again in the future. Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 19:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Robert Neir (07:48, 3 December 2024)

Hi Sdkb!

I see that you are my mentor here on Wikipedia. Interesting feature they have here.

I digress, would love to get tips on how I can eventually get our research project added as a wikipedia article upcoming.

Our research is done around cognitive ability assessments. We are also likely going to need to be a for profit business after the research is done unfortunately. It's the nature of the beast.

Anyway, I wanted to respectfully go through the process of adding a solid, well written, and extremely in depth wikipedia page on our research project + cognitive ability assessments in general.

Looking for advice. Cheers (: --Robert Neir (talk) 07:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Robert Neir! See Help:Your first article. You have a paid conflict of interest with any article on a business with which you are involved, so be sure to abide by the relevant rules. Best, Sdkb ^talk 07:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will start by editing some existing articles and will make sure to keep in mind conflict of interest related things. Robert Neir (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You removed a very valuable page

I see you were part of removing this page: List of campus identifications in mobile wallets. It was 100% accurate and used by a ton of universities currently using the technology or campuses wanting to talk to campuses using NFC mobile credentials. This page was so important to campuses and now its gone. How do we get it back? 108.227.138.238 (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a web host, so we don't retain articles just because they're useful to a specific group; that group can host the content elsewhere if they want it (you can find what was deleted via archive.org). To reinstate the article, you'd need to show that it was important for an encyclopedia. The way we demonstrate that is through coverage in reliable sources. So talk to journalists and convince them to write about it. Sdkb ^talk 22:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from JRockWallpaper (22:36, 9 December 2024)

Hello, I want to contribute a photo of my grandfather Albert Rose-Innes who has an article about him in Wikipedia --JRockWallpaper (talk) 22:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JRockWallpaper, thanks for reaching out! It would be great to add a photo for any biography that does not have one. To contribute a photo that doesn't get deleted, though, we need to figure out how to properly license it. Were you the photographer? If not, do you know who was? And do you know the year it was taken? Sdkb ^talk 23:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got it on the Wikipedia article! DID IT! So happy about this. Joanna K. Rock (talk) 23:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joanna K. Rock @JRockWallpaper, please choose a single account so that it is easier to communicate with you.

When you uploaded the photo, you declared that it was your own work. This is not accurate unless you happen to have been alive in 1906. Please do not make false declarations or your work will quickly be deleted.

Luckily, since the photo was published in 1906, I was able to add a valid license, as it is now in the public domain. I also fixed the formatting at the article.

Best, Sdkb ^talk 00:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry! Thank you so much, my first time editing, my mistake, and thank you for formatting the article. I am just so pleased I was able to add his photo. Sorry for your trouble. Joanna Rock Joanna K. Rock (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, and glad to be able to assist! Sdkb ^talk 00:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Tiger Iqbal on Talk:Kerala State Lotteries (00:27, 11 December 2024)

Hello sir good morning, I am from Navi Mumbai can I get or entitled to get Kerala Government's Lottery. --Tiger Iqbal (talk) 00:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is Wikipedia. We can't help with anything except writing an encyclopedia. Sdkb ^talk 01:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert at WP:ERRORS

Hi, Sdkb. Regarding your recent revert at WP:ERRORS, please refer to the header at WP:ERRORS, writ: "Reports are removed when resolved. Once an error has been addressed or determined not to be an error, or the item has been rotated off the Main Page, the report will be removed from this page. Check the revision history for a record of any discussion or action taken; no archives are kept." As per that notification, an uninvolved third party removed a report "determined not to be an error". Your revert of this removal, and subsequent warning to an editor reinstating the removal, is incongruous with the stated purpose of the page and established consensus regarding its practice. If you disagree with the determination that an item is not an error, reverting other editors is not the answer; try to discuss the matter in an appropriate venue. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492, thanks for the note. I am familiar with the normal operation of WP:ERRORS, having frequented it. I have no issue with items that have been determined not to be an error being removed, but such determination should be by consensus and ideally not enacted by involved parties. In this case, at the time Schwede66 removed the invite, there was another editor agreeing with me on the talk page that the issue was a concern (which Schwede66 may not have seen if he did not click through) and only FA nominator SchroCat objecting. I did not consider that to be consensus of it being a nonissue, so I reinstated it and further explained why I considered it relevant for WP:ERRORS. SchroCat's subsequent removal was made with no further rationale and despite their clear involvement. At that point it became a WP:TPO violation — editors should steer far clear of any action that might be perceived as them trying to hide notice of a discussion in which they are being criticized, and overall when in doubt we should err on the side of widely publicizing discussions.

Regarding reverting other editors is not the answer; try to discuss the matter in an appropriate venue, that is exactly what is happening at the talk page discussion, but such a discussion cannot be held effectively if notices to it in relevant places are suppressed. Sdkb ^talk 20:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Sdkb, and I am happy to see that discussion is continuing apace at the article's talk page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]