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== Date of birth ==

'' "It is believed that Leif was born about 960 AD in Iceland[2], the son of Erik the Red" ''
'' "Erik the Red (950–1000[1])" ''

are you claiming that Leif Ericson had a father that was 10 years old and had already become an outlaw, sailed over the atlantic and created a child?

quite impressive...

[[Anonymous user]]

== Gallery ==

Hi, I noticed that the page had quite a lot of images. The right side is full and there is one on the left which looks a bit awkward. In order to solve this problem, I was hoping to create a gallery under the 'Legacy' section called 'Art and sculpture'. In the gallery I will put the two memorial statue photos and 'The Landing of the Vikings' painting. I will also add a painting by Hans Dahl (NB not Christian Krohg) called 'Leif Erikson Discovers America'. The advantage of a gallery is that it tidies the page and allows for other images to be added. For example, the commemorative Leif Erikson rune stone at L'Anse aux Meadows (LAM). For the other images, I will move the LAM photo to the right and just generally neaten. Any suggestions or objections? [[User:RickyBennison|RickyBennison]] ([[User talk:RickyBennison|talk]]) 14:12, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
:Anything that helps [[WP:Sandwich]] is good because of accessibility ... but best be aware of image spam problems as outlined at [[WP:GALLERY]].--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User_talk:Moxy|Moxy]]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 14:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

== Personal life ==

This article misrepresents the indigenous peoples' story and struggle while glamorizing Erikson as being a wise and moral man. In reality, he viewed the indigenous people as outsiders, despite him being the one to enter their land from the outside. He killed the adults, enslaved their children, and kidnapped them to Europe <ref>{{cite web |last1=Weaver |first1=Jace |title=The Red Atlantic |url=https://www-jstor-org.proxy.library.vanderbilt.edu/stable/pdf/10.5250/amerindiquar.35.3.0418.pdf |website=J-Stor |accessdate=9/9/20}}</ref>

There are major issues with this sentence: "After Leif's first trip to Vinland, he returned to the family estate of Brattahlíð in Greenland, and started preaching Christianity to the Greenlanders." This sentence is problematic for many reasons, one being that Vinland was not a place back then. By referring to this land as Vinland, it erases the native ties and further embellishes the idea that Erikson "discovered" Vinland. It furthers the false narrative that the natives who lived there were an uncivilized society, living in the woods like animals, and needed the colonizers to "settle" them. Traditional maps of European colonizers in North America give the impression that the land was uninhabited forest before the Europeans entered.<ref>{{cite web |last1=Merrell |first1=James |title=Second Thoughts on Colonial Historians and American Indians |url=https://www-jstor-org.proxy.library.vanderbilt.edu/stable/pdf/10.5309/willmaryquar.69.3.0451.pdf |website=JSTOR |accessdate=9/9/20}}</ref>
For this reason, it is ever important to recognize that the true inhabitants of the land are not "Greenlanders" as the article quotes. The true inhabitants of what is now Greenland are the indigenous people of various tribes, including the Inuit, Beothuk, and Micmac <ref>{{cite web |last1=Weaver |first1=Jace |title=The Red Atlantic |url=https://www-jstor-org.proxy.library.vanderbilt.edu/stable/pdf/10.5250/amerindiquar.35.3.0418.pdf |website=J-Stor |accessdate=9/9/20}}</ref>


[[User:Don&#39;tTakeYourselfTooSeriously|Don&#39;tTakeYourselfTooSeriously]] ([[User talk:Don&#39;tTakeYourselfTooSeriously|talk]]) 04:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Don'tTakeYourselfTooSeriously
{{reflist talk}}
: I agree. One problem is that the article does not clearly distinguish between established facts and the descriptoons or citations from the sagas. Other is that interpretations are mingled into it that are not referred to any source and maybe come from the author of the sentence (therfore, pov). For example, the mentioning of "red indians" which for sure none of the norse called them... Mucht to do, sort aout and rewrite! [[Special:Contributions/47.71.46.26|47.71.46.26]] ([[User talk:47.71.46.26|talk]]) 09:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Is there any clear evidence that this person actually existed? [[Special:Contributions/212.129.74.59|212.129.74.59]] ([[User talk:212.129.74.59|talk]]) 18:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


== About Leif Erikson's Job. ==
== first known European to have set foot on continental North America? ==


So in the Infobox I added "Christian Missionary" to the Occupation(s) section. Which is not wrong he did spread Christianity into Greenland. [[User:Christin1000|Christin1000]] ([[User talk:Christin1000|talk]]) 21:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
The article says Erikson was probably born on the coast of [[Breiðafjörður]]. Since that is on the [[North American Plate]] side of Iceland, then Erikson is technically not European. The first known American to set foot on America maybe? [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 19:55, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:And it was undone by [[user:TylerBurden]] as being "Far less established than being an explorer". I agree with that removal. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 21:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:The story of Leif being a missionary is questioned by scholars. This is briefly mentioned (with citations) in the historicity section of the article.--[[User:Beneathtimp|Beneathtimp]] ([[User talk:Beneathtimp|talk]]) 00:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::Then write "disputed" right next to "Christian Missionary". Most of History is disputed that doesn't mean we should erase it and most people who use Wikipedia only see the Infobox. [[User:Christin1000|Christin1000]] ([[User talk:Christin1000|talk]]) 14:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:::See [[MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE]]. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 23:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


== Leif Erickson in Pop Culture ==
:That's a very interesting point, but irrelevant as continental plates don't determine the extent of a continent. All of Iceland has long been considered part of Europe, while knowledge of tectonics is relatively modern. [[User:UpdateNerd|UpdateNerd]] ([[User talk:UpdateNerd|talk]]) 09:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


In S2E3 of SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon, Leif Erickson Day is referenced and a Bubble Avatar is attributed to his spirit [[User:Ariascg|Ariascg]] ([[User talk:Ariascg|talk]]) 15:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
==Religious issues==
This is developing into a spat which has nothing to do with Leif's life. Of course the Orthodox and Catholic Churches claim continuity with the unified church prior to the [[Great Schism]] of 1054. I don't think this merits detailed mention in the article. [[User:PatGallacher|PatGallacher]] ([[User talk:PatGallacher|talk]]) 02:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


:Any secondary [[WP:RS]] making mention of this? [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
: Of course It merits mention in the article if you allow others to say he’s Roman Catholic in the article which it says at the bottom. It is very important because he is the first European colonizer of the Americas which most attribute to Columbus and his Catholicism(some claim Judaism). The Orthodox believes that it predates the Catholic Church back to the disciples time just as the Roman Church does. Look at purple line here it predates the red https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#/media/File:Christianity_major_branches.svg
These are the references
https://ocl.org/leif-eriksson-first-orthodox-christian-america/
http://www.orthodoxcanada.com/journal/2007-01-01.html
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/151011-columbus-day-leif-erikson-italian-americans-holiday-history[[User:Foorgood|Foorgood]] ([[User talk:Foorgood|talk]]) 02:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


== Writing Leif Erikson's name in Runes ==
::I agree with {{u|PatGallacher}} – referring to Leif either as a Roman Catholic or an Orthodox christian is an anachronism, and it is no surprise (but also of no encyclopedic interest in this article) that both Churches claim him. Following [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leif_Erikson&type=revision&diff=1008575008&oldid=1008574491 this edit] the article (appropriately in my view) no longer claims that he was RC. [[User:Wham2001|Wham2001]] ([[User talk:Wham2001|talk]]) 07:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
::ok i think we can agree on that so can you also remove the source # 37 which says he was catholic? because if not i think we should put the source as well saying he was the first orthodox.[[User:Foorgood|Foorgood]] ([[User talk:Foorgood|talk]]) 15:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
:::{{u|Foorgood}}, there have been some edits to the article (not by me!) since you posted so I'm not certain which source you meant, but assuming it was the uCatholic.com blog (which I agree was not reliable) then I think this has been done? [[User:Wham2001|Wham2001]] ([[User talk:Wham2001|talk]]) 17:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
::::yes sir glad we came to consensus.[[User:Foorgood|Foorgood]] ([[User talk:Foorgood|talk]]) 18:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


ᛚᛁᛁᚠ ᛁᚱᛁᚴᛋᛋᚨᚾ - The closest runes I could find to match the photograph shown on the webpage The Nomans Land – Leif Eriksson Inscription https://noahsage.com/2023/01/28/the-nomans-land-leif-eriksson-inscription/
The purple line is a split of the oriental orthodox from the unified church. The oriental orthodox are neither in communion with the eastern orthodox or the catholic churches and nowhere does the given article suggest that it predates Catholicism. While the Orthodox arguments seem to arise from random biased orthodox blogs, the claim that he was catholic is published by the new work times. Moreover it is definitive that Erickson had converted to the Latin western Church and not the Eastern church, so using the term Roman Catholic isn't an anachronism. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:c640:a84b:29b7:b834:96cf:db7f|2603:6010:c640:a84b:29b7:b834:96cf:db7f]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:c640:a84b:29b7:b834:96cf:db7f#top|talk]]) 15:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:Hi 2603, and thanks for bringing your points to talk. Please remember to sign your talk page posts using 4 tildes at the end (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). I encourage you to gain consensus here for your edits before making them again. Could you clarify which 'purple line' you're referring to? They NYT source looks good, but it attributes the "Catholic missionary" viewpoint to Heyerdahl and Lilliestrom and takes pains to note that their views are contested by other scholars. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]]) 15:27, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
::Hi Firefangledfeathers the article in the NYT doesn't say that other scholars contest the views of the authors over erikson's religion, in fact there seems to be a broad consensus on that. The contest is over the impact that the vikings may have had on North America. The purple line that i was referring to was what the user:PatGallacher had erroneously used to claim that eastern orthodoxy is in anyway older than Roman Catholicism. He uses this file which records splits from the one unified christian church of the roman empire to suggest that oriental orthodoxy is older https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#/media/File:Christianity_major_branches.svg. However this isn't true as the very link that he has provided seems to trace all christian denominations to a common origin. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:c640:a84b:29b7:b834:96cf:db7f|2603:6010:c640:a84b:29b7:b834:96cf:db7f]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:c640:a84b:29b7:b834:96cf:db7f#top|talk]]) 17:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::{{yo|PatGallacher|Foorgood|Wham2001}} in case you'd like to re-engage with this issue. It looks like the purple line view was Foorgood's FYI. If we're using that image, I'd say the relevant lines are grey, red, and blue; both East and West can reasonably lay claim to continuity with the pre-Schism church. Let me be clear: I am inexpert in this topic area. I was convinced by the prior rough consensus to support the status quo ante, but could easily be convinced by reliable sources stating otherwise. I am not so convinced that I'll revert your recently accepted version. {{pb}}Speaking of which, I believe the NYT's attribution to the book authors, coupled with some of the Times' editorializing, serve to distance NYT from the 'Catholic' claims. Editorializing: "unique approach of", "even called". I also think the skeptical scholarly reception to the book's claims in other areas is evidence of their unreliability. If there is broad consensus that Erikson was Catholic, there should hopefully be more reliable sources attesting to the claim. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]]) 17:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Firefangledfeathers}}, thanks for the note. I don't have a NYT subscription right now so I don't think there's much that I can add, but given what you and {{u|Moxy}} have written I doubt I'd be convinced to change my mind. [[User:Wham2001|Wham2001]] ([[User talk:Wham2001|talk]]) 19:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::You're welcome. I share your doubts. For reference, here's the most pertinent snippet of the NYT piece (allowable per [[WP:C-P#TALK]]): {{bq|The unique approach of Dr. Heyerdahl and Mr. Lilliestrom was to cast a Roman Catholic glow over medieval Greenland and Vinland. They even called Leif Ericson "a Catholic missionary."}} [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]]) 19:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::Right – I would say that's clearly insufficient to support the article stating that Leif was Catholic in Wikipedia's voice. I've reverted this morning's addition. Best, [[User:Wham2001|Wham2001]] ([[User talk:Wham2001|talk]]) 07:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:Just seeing this talk.....pls review [[Full communion]] before junk media sources are used.<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]</span>-[[File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg|15px|link=User talk:Moxy]] 18:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


[[User:Appple|Appple]] ([[User talk:Appple|talk]]) 05:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
== Pronunciation ==


== Horned helmet ==
It would be helpful to include a pronunciation (English and/or Icelandic and/or Old Norse). It's a bit above my pay grade. Cf. [[Leif#Pronunciation]]. [[User:SSSheridan|SSSheridan]] ([[User talk:SSSheridan|talk]]) 06:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


{{reply|TylerBurden}} Greetings! Regarding [[Special:diff/1211075437|this revert]], what's your preferred spot for noting the errors in the featured depictions? -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 21:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
More recent NYTimes article


:I think the topic is already covered both on [[Vikings]] and on [[horned helmet]], the statue also appears to depict Erikson wearing a winged helmet. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 19:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/20/science/vikings-newfoundland-age.html?surface=most-popular&fellback=false&req_id=422638563&algo=bandit-all-surfaces_setnthitem_0_news_typekoftopn_2_5_news&variant=3_bandit-all-surfaces_guardrails_pool_hp_1d&pool=pool/249abdc7-aea7-4629-b2ef-a1f76cdbbdde&imp_id=220375939&action=click&module=Popular%20in%20The%20Times&pgtype=Homepage <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/185.78.129.111|185.78.129.111]] ([[User talk:185.78.129.111#top|talk]]) 13:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::{{reply|TylerBurden}} I don't think wings are any more historically accurate, and may simply be a fictional evolution of horns to be more impressive-looking. It seems unreasonable to expect readers of this article to know that they need to visit other articles in order to find out that some of the images in this article are presenting them with misinformation. If an encyclopedia needs to present misinformation at all for the purposes of explanation, it should be labeled as such at the point of presentation. There are plenty of depictions of Erikson already in this article which are ''not'' glaringly inaccurate, so if you don't wish to label the incorrect images, we could simply remove them, and put a more accurate one in the infobox. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 20:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd have to disagree, I don't think it would be productive to change every caption on Wikipedia on images featuring horned helmets to insert commentary on their accuracy in Wikivoice. I don't see anything on [[WP:CAPTION]] indicating that this is in line with the purpose of captions, they are meant to be descriptive and succinct. In terms of accuracy, do you have a source on some particularly accurate depiction? [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, I agree that that would not be productive. Works of art should be respected for what they are, not haggled about for what they are not. I have now added "imaginary" to the caption. That should suffice. There can be no "accurate" depiction of Leif Eriksson because nobody knows what he looked like, nor what his helmet was decorated with. Wouldn't that be rather obvious to anyone? --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 13:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::Calling the statue "imaginary" implies that it does not exist, which is abject nonsense. [[User:Mediatech492|Mediatech492]] ([[User talk:Mediatech492|talk]]) 21:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think this is a case of ESL and they don't mean any harm. The obvious title is ''[[ artist's rendition]]''. But imaginary statue is quite funny to say the least. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1406:3F:5196:1590:89F2:7196:343E|2A02:1406:3F:5196:1590:89F2:7196:343E]] ([[User talk:2A02:1406:3F:5196:1590:89F2:7196:343E|talk]]) 10:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! English is my first language, which I have taught for over 50 years. Here my elderly brain was foiled by a list of synonyms for "fantasy (adjective)" which I did not want to use. I have now made a caption adjustment which I hope everyone can find acceptable, assuming good faith. --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 17:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
::::If artists started producing images of George Washington in a toga, I would certainly hope that Wikipedia would either not use such images to illustrate that person from a time before photographs, or mention in captions why on Earth such ahistorical clothing was chosen. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 01:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::We can safely assume that Washington did not wear a toga (except possibly to a masquerade). We cannot safely assume that Leif's headgear did not include wings or that such headgear would be "ahistorical". What's your point? Why drag this on? --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 20:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::Winged helmets are far from being ahistorical. Their use in various cultures is well documented as far back as the bronze age. The ancient Greek god Hermes, and his roman counterpart Mercury were frequently depicted with a winged helmet. [[User:Mediatech492|Mediatech492]] ([[User talk:Mediatech492|talk]]) 23:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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About Leif Erikson's Job.

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So in the Infobox I added "Christian Missionary" to the Occupation(s) section. Which is not wrong he did spread Christianity into Greenland. Christin1000 (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And it was undone by user:TylerBurden as being "Far less established than being an explorer". I agree with that removal. Meters (talk) 21:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The story of Leif being a missionary is questioned by scholars. This is briefly mentioned (with citations) in the historicity section of the article.--Beneathtimp (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then write "disputed" right next to "Christian Missionary". Most of History is disputed that doesn't mean we should erase it and most people who use Wikipedia only see the Infobox. Christin1000 (talk) 14:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. TylerBurden (talk) 23:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leif Erickson in Pop Culture

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In S2E3 of SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon, Leif Erickson Day is referenced and a Bubble Avatar is attributed to his spirit Ariascg (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any secondary WP:RS making mention of this? TylerBurden (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Writing Leif Erikson's name in Runes

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ᛚᛁᛁᚠ ᛁᚱᛁᚴᛋᛋᚨᚾ - The closest runes I could find to match the photograph shown on the webpage The Nomans Land – Leif Eriksson Inscription https://noahsage.com/2023/01/28/the-nomans-land-leif-eriksson-inscription/ 

Appple (talk) 05:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horned helmet

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@TylerBurden: Greetings! Regarding this revert, what's your preferred spot for noting the errors in the featured depictions? -- Beland (talk) 21:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the topic is already covered both on Vikings and on horned helmet, the statue also appears to depict Erikson wearing a winged helmet. TylerBurden (talk) 19:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TylerBurden: I don't think wings are any more historically accurate, and may simply be a fictional evolution of horns to be more impressive-looking. It seems unreasonable to expect readers of this article to know that they need to visit other articles in order to find out that some of the images in this article are presenting them with misinformation. If an encyclopedia needs to present misinformation at all for the purposes of explanation, it should be labeled as such at the point of presentation. There are plenty of depictions of Erikson already in this article which are not glaringly inaccurate, so if you don't wish to label the incorrect images, we could simply remove them, and put a more accurate one in the infobox. -- Beland (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd have to disagree, I don't think it would be productive to change every caption on Wikipedia on images featuring horned helmets to insert commentary on their accuracy in Wikivoice. I don't see anything on WP:CAPTION indicating that this is in line with the purpose of captions, they are meant to be descriptive and succinct. In terms of accuracy, do you have a source on some particularly accurate depiction? TylerBurden (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree that that would not be productive. Works of art should be respected for what they are, not haggled about for what they are not. I have now added "imaginary" to the caption. That should suffice. There can be no "accurate" depiction of Leif Eriksson because nobody knows what he looked like, nor what his helmet was decorated with. Wouldn't that be rather obvious to anyone? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Calling the statue "imaginary" implies that it does not exist, which is abject nonsense. Mediatech492 (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a case of ESL and they don't mean any harm. The obvious title is artist's rendition. But imaginary statue is quite funny to say the least. 2A02:1406:3F:5196:1590:89F2:7196:343E (talk) 10:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! English is my first language, which I have taught for over 50 years. Here my elderly brain was foiled by a list of synonyms for "fantasy (adjective)" which I did not want to use. I have now made a caption adjustment which I hope everyone can find acceptable, assuming good faith. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If artists started producing images of George Washington in a toga, I would certainly hope that Wikipedia would either not use such images to illustrate that person from a time before photographs, or mention in captions why on Earth such ahistorical clothing was chosen. -- Beland (talk) 01:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can safely assume that Washington did not wear a toga (except possibly to a masquerade). We cannot safely assume that Leif's headgear did not include wings or that such headgear would be "ahistorical". What's your point? Why drag this on? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Winged helmets are far from being ahistorical. Their use in various cultures is well documented as far back as the bronze age. The ancient Greek god Hermes, and his roman counterpart Mercury were frequently depicted with a winged helmet. Mediatech492 (talk) 23:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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