Talk:2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash

Threats to the diaspora and to anti-regime protesters and subsequent legal consequences

Just days before the incident in London, there was an incident in the DC area where diaspora members protesting a memorial to Raisi received death threats from someone who turned out to be an employee of the Iranian Special Interests Section of the Embassy of Pakistan. The staffer, Ramezan Soltan-Mohammadi, has received a temporary restraining order from the Maryland court system that prevents him from coming close to at least one protest leader's home and workplace. A group comprised of members of the diaspora has taken him to court, and the case is ongoing. 100.15.173.239 (talk) 22:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a source? - ZLEA _T\^C 23:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202405286086 100.15.173.239 (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Technically not an article, but an opinion piece in The Hill has also mentioned the incident: https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4696456-why-does-iran-still-have-operatives-in-washington/ 100.15.173.239 (talk) 08:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Another source following more developments on this case: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202406188444 100.15.173.239 (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that these incidents are within the scope of this article, of which the primary topic is the crash itself. Threats against people protesting a commemoration of one of the victims of the crash would likely be a bit WP:OFFTOPIC. I'm not against a brief mention of the threats in this article, but any in-depth coverage should probably be in Interests Section of Iran in the United States or another article more closely related to the threats themselves. - ZLEA _T\^C 06:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure, it'd probably be at most a short statement, comparable to the description of the London incident already in the article. 100.15.173.239 (talk) 06:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 1 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 15:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash → Varzaqan helicopter crash – If there was no helicopter crash around Varzaqan before, I do not see any reason why should 2024 be specific in the article title. Cmsth11126a02 (talk) 15:15, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Politics, WikiProject Death, WikiProject Disaster management, WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Aviation, WikiProject Iran, and WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force have been notified of this discussion. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose – I'll give you a reason for having 2024 in the title: clarity. It immediately gives the reader the 'when' without sacrificing brevity. You cannot argue that 2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash is not concise, while it makes it immediately clear that the event is not some accident from the Sixties or something. Titling an article is not a contest to see who comes up with the shortest possible title that is logically unambiguous. --Deeday-UK (talk) 16:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Deeday-UK. There's no reason to remove 2024 from the title and it's a useful bit of information. It removes any ambiguity. Other helicopters have crashed in the region before, such as this one in 2008, and while other crashes don't have their own articles they are still reason enough to include the year in the article title. Archimedes157 (talk) 19:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Deeday-UK, there is no reason to remove 2024 from the title. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 12:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: says the year of the accident. Also, its redundant to remove 2024 from title. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 17:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: For reasons stated by the other commenters. Donner60 (talk) 00:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Not up for discussion, but might be more recognizable to many readers if Varzaquan were changed to Iranian Air Force or just Iranian. Donner60 (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

That's assuming there have been and will be no other Iranian Air Force helicopter crashes in 2024. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Mention of Isreali pager attack

It would be good to mention that the president had been spotted with a pager that since 9/18 turned out to be remote detonatable by Israel. Zieafbeelding (talk) 11:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources backing up your claim? Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

This is one site that talks about it:

https://shafaq.com/amp/en/World/Image-of-Iran-s-late-president-Raisi-with-a-pager-raises-questions-after-plane-crash Zieafbeelding (talk) 13:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

An exceptional claim would require exceptional sourcing/evidence. Unless there is a wider discussion regarding this topic within multiple reliable independent sources and/or very strong evidence that would support such a link, this information is irrelevant to the accident. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)