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According to MOS:BIRTHPLACE, the place where one was born is irrelevant if they weren't raised there, especially if their family comes from a different country (Ronan's parents are Irish). Therefore, having American-born Irish is basically the same as having French-born English in Emma Watson's article. Drzejstan (talk) 14:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apples to oranges. Per MOS:FIRSTBIO, the nationality in the first sentence of the opening paragraph is part of the "Context" --- "Context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable." Ronan was born in the United States and her notability stems from acting primarily in American and British cinema, while despite Watson's birth in France, she does not act in French cinema and her notability does not stem from anything related to France. Additionally, Ronan's birth in the United States granted her US citizenship, Watson's birth in France did not grant her French citizenship per French nationality law and she has also stated she only speaks some French. This all points to the context being quite different for Ronan as compared to Watson, and explains the discrepancy in why Ronan's US birth is mentioned and Watson's French birth is not. MOS:BIRTHPLACE also does not say what you are claiming it says regardless, but is additionally not about nationality tags in opening paragraphs. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+According to MOS:BIRTHPLACE, the place where one was born is irrelevant if they weren't raised there, especially if their family comes from a different country (Ronan's parents are Irish). Therefore, having American-born Irish is basically the same as having French-born English in Emma Watson's article. [[User:Drzejstan|Drzejstan]] ([[User talk:Drzejstan|talk]]) 14:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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+:Apples to oranges. Per [[MOS:FIRSTBIO]], the nationality in the first sentence of the opening paragraph is part of the "Context" --- "Context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable." Ronan was born in the United States and her notability stems from acting primarily in American and British cinema, while despite Watson's birth in France, she does not act in French cinema and her notability does not stem from anything related to France. Additionally, Ronan's birth in the United States granted her US citizenship, Watson's birth in France did not grant her French citizenship per [[French nationality law]] and she has also stated she only speaks some French. This all points to the context being quite different for Ronan as compared to Watson, and explains the discrepancy in why Ronan's US birth is mentioned and Watson's French birth is not. [[MOS:BIRTHPLACE]] also does not say what you are claiming it says regardless, but is additionally not about nationality tags in opening paragraphs. [[User:Jjj1238|<b style="color: #AB2B2B;">{ [ ( jjj</b>]] [[User talk:Jjj1238|<b style="color: #000000;">1238 ) ] }</b>]] 15:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
-The Irish language IPA transcription given for Saoirse is {{IPA-ga|ˈsˠiːɾʲʃə…|lang}} with a slender r this should be changed to {{IPA-ga|ˈsˠiːɾˠʃə…|lang}} with a broad r. [[Special:Contributions/2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF|2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF]] ([[User talk:2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF|talk]]) 15:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-:Do you have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for this one way or the other we could point to? [[User:PianoDan|PianoDan]] ([[User talk:PianoDan|talk]]) 21:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-::I don’t have a source for this word specifically but all modern Irish dialects don’t allow for a slender r followed by another slender [[alveolar consonant]], a similar phenomenon prevents word initial slender r.
-::Here (<ref>{{Harvcolnb|Ó Sé|2000|pp=34–36}}</ref>) is a source on the [[phonotactic]] constraint I found from the [[Irish phonology#Post-vocalic consonant clusters and epenthesis]], though it can be found in practical all extensive phonetic studies of the language. [[Special:Contributions/2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF|2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF]] ([[User talk:2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF|talk]]) 21:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)