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== Related instruments ==

Jouhikko is same instrument than [[crwth]]/[[Chrotta]].--[[User:SM|SM]] ([[User talk:SM|talk]]) 22:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

:Same family/type of instrument, but different musical traditions. [[User:MatthewVanitas|MatthewVanitas]] ([[User talk:MatthewVanitas|talk]]) 11:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Removed some text ==

I removed this text from the article. It seems unrelated to the history of the jouhikko; perhaps if the contributor feels that Byzantine Lyra is a useful related instrument, they could add a reference further down the page where other related instruments are mentioned?

:The first recorded reference to a European bowed lyra was in the 9th century by the [[Persian people|Persian]] geographer [[Ibn Khordadbeh|Ibn Khurradadhbih]] (d. 911); in his lexicographical discussion of instruments he cited the [[byzantine lyra]] (lūrā) as the typical instrument of the Byzantines along with the ''urghun'' ([[Organ (music)|organ]]), ''shilyani'' (probably a type of [[harp]] or [[lyre]]) and the ''salandj'' (probably a [[bagpipe]]).<ref name=Kartomi124>{{harvnb|Kartomi|1990|p=124}}</ref> The lyra spread widely via the [[Byzantine]] [[trade routes]] that linked the three continents; in the 11th and 12th centuries European writers use the terms ''[[fiddle]]'' and ''lira'' interchangeably when referring to bowed instruments.<ref name=brytanica>{{harvnb|Encyclopædia Britannica|2009}}</ref>.

[[User:StrumStrumAndBeHanged|StrumStrumAndBeHanged]] ([[User talk:StrumStrumAndBeHanged|talk]]) 19:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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== Picture size ==

[[File:Chadwickjouhikko.jpg|thumb|The image that had the problem]]

The picture has become corrupted! [[Special:Contributions/92.29.166.55|92.29.166.55]] ([[User talk:92.29.166.55|talk]]) 23:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|18px|link=|alt=]] '''Fixed''' - I [[Wikipedia:Purge|purged]] the page. The reason the image locked weird was that Rotatebot had updated/rotated the image stored at Wikimedia Commons. The article just needed to be purged/rebuilt to set the correct image height and width.
:--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 11:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Name ==
In the article it is said, ''jouhikantele'' means ''bowed kantele'', but why should it? A bowed instrument it really is, but in Finnish, ''jousi''&nbsp;=&nbsp;''bow'' and ''jouhi''&nbsp;=&nbsp;''horsehair''. And both the bow hair and the strings of the instrument are made of horsehair. So, I would rather say, it means ''horsehair kantele''.</br>The English ''name'' of the instrument, of course, is something else. --[[Special:Contributions/2001:999:404:5498:2CD1:2EB2:972:958|2001:999:404:5498:2CD1:2EB2:972:958]] ([[User talk:2001:999:404:5498:2CD1:2EB2:972:958|talk]]) 00:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

:According to Nykysuomen sanakirja (the official dictionary of standard Finnish), one of the meanings of ''jouhi'' is "bowstring", which makes sense as these are made of horsehair. As such, it refers to the horsehair bow used to play the instrument. This explanation is from [https://web.uniarts.fi/jouhikko/historia.html Jouhikon historia] at Sibelius-Akatemia. Note that ''jouhi'' (coarse hair like horsehair) and ''jousi'' (a bow) are confusingly similar words, but they have been distinct since Middle Proto-Finnic. The mutation ''*š -> h'' occurred after this point, so the origin of ''jouhi'' is *''jowši'', while Middle Proto-Finnic ''jousi'' is simply *''jowsi''. One way to edit this would be to add "(horsehair)" to "bow". --[[User:Vuo|vuo]] ([[User talk:Vuo|talk]]) 12:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

== Modern revival ==

I changed a weirdness in the description of Wardruna as "traditional norwegian folk" which is misleading and incorrect. If there's any disagreement with this, I'd suggest learning not only about actual traditional Norwegian folk music but also Einar's ideology behind Wardruna. [[Special:Contributions/2601:280:5380:2890:4995:2B1F:4BB5:5AB9|2601:280:5380:2890:4995:2B1F:4BB5:5AB9]] ([[User talk:2601:280:5380:2890:4995:2B1F:4BB5:5AB9|talk]]) 16:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:15, 18 October 2024


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Jouhikko is same instrument than crwth/Chrotta.--SM (talk) 22:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same family/type of instrument, but different musical traditions. MatthewVanitas (talk) 11:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed some text

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I removed this text from the article. It seems unrelated to the history of the jouhikko; perhaps if the contributor feels that Byzantine Lyra is a useful related instrument, they could add a reference further down the page where other related instruments are mentioned?

The first recorded reference to a European bowed lyra was in the 9th century by the Persian geographer Ibn Khurradadhbih (d. 911); in his lexicographical discussion of instruments he cited the byzantine lyra (lūrā) as the typical instrument of the Byzantines along with the urghun (organ), shilyani (probably a type of harp or lyre) and the salandj (probably a bagpipe).[1] The lyra spread widely via the Byzantine trade routes that linked the three continents; in the 11th and 12th centuries European writers use the terms fiddle and lira interchangeably when referring to bowed instruments.[2].

StrumStrumAndBeHanged (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Kartomi 1990, p. 124
  2. ^ Encyclopædia Britannica 2009

Picture size

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The image that had the problem

The picture has become corrupted! 92.29.166.55 (talk) 23:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed - I purged the page. The reason the image locked weird was that Rotatebot had updated/rotated the image stored at Wikimedia Commons. The article just needed to be purged/rebuilt to set the correct image height and width.
--David Göthberg (talk) 11:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name

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In the article it is said, jouhikantele means bowed kantele, but why should it? A bowed instrument it really is, but in Finnish, jousi = bow and jouhi = horsehair. And both the bow hair and the strings of the instrument are made of horsehair. So, I would rather say, it means horsehair kantele.
The English name of the instrument, of course, is something else. --2001:999:404:5498:2CD1:2EB2:972:958 (talk) 00:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to Nykysuomen sanakirja (the official dictionary of standard Finnish), one of the meanings of jouhi is "bowstring", which makes sense as these are made of horsehair. As such, it refers to the horsehair bow used to play the instrument. This explanation is from Jouhikon historia at Sibelius-Akatemia. Note that jouhi (coarse hair like horsehair) and jousi (a bow) are confusingly similar words, but they have been distinct since Middle Proto-Finnic. The mutation *š -> h occurred after this point, so the origin of jouhi is *jowši, while Middle Proto-Finnic jousi is simply *jowsi. One way to edit this would be to add "(horsehair)" to "bow". --vuo (talk) 12:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Modern revival

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I changed a weirdness in the description of Wardruna as "traditional norwegian folk" which is misleading and incorrect. If there's any disagreement with this, I'd suggest learning not only about actual traditional Norwegian folk music but also Einar's ideology behind Wardruna. 2601:280:5380:2890:4995:2B1F:4BB5:5AB9 (talk) 16:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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