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* <nowiki>[[List of works produced by Hanna-Barbera Productions#Hanna–Barbera Classics Collection|Hanna-Barbera Classics Collection]]</nowiki>
== Use of computers ==
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I'm curious about this sentence from the Joseph Barbera article in [[Ephraim Katz]]'s ''Encyclopedia of Film:''

: "In 1957, Hanna and Barbera left MGM and set up their own production company, Hanna-Barbera, a virtual factory turning out television cartoons at an astonishing rate through a computerized numbering system."

Does anyone know any details about exactly when and how the company began using such a system? The sentence implies that it was unusual at the time. [[User:Richard K. Carson|Richard K. Carson]] 07:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:@{{U|Richard K. Carson}}, HB was always pretty "forward thinking". I was a System Engineer there in the 1990's and part of the specialized animation technology group called the "Production Technology Group" or PTG. We were separate from the regular Turner IT staff called "WITS" which stood for "Worldwide Information Technology Service".

:When I was there I heard stories about "guys in white lab coats" who operated big (think room size with air conditioning) IBM computers to aid with the production of the animation. Essentially they tracked just about every frame so that it could be used and re-used over and over again saving them the production costs associated with creating a new frame or segment of film. There might be more out there in books, but not that I've personally run across. --[[User:Scalhotrod|Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...]] ([[User talk:Scalhotrod|talk]]) 18:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

== 1944 start date issue ==

Hi folks, I just read through this discussion ([[Talk:Hanna-Barbera/Archive_1#My_edits|now archived]]) and for what its worth I hope my efforts are not partially to blame for the use of "1944". I'm the owner (and founder) of the Hanna Barbera employee alumni group on LinkedIn.com. The official title of the group is "Hanna Barbera Studios Alumni (1944 - 2006)". I used 1944 because that was the year that was "tossed around the water cooler" when I worked at the studio. But this doesn't amount to anything more than [[WP:OR]] and gossip. Quite honestly I was just trying to give the group as broad a range as possible in order for people to join. --[[User:Scalhotrod|Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...]] ([[User talk:Scalhotrod|talk]]) 22:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
:No, you're okay. Thanks! --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] ([[User talk:FuriousFreddy|talk]]) 20:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

== One more show for lead paragraph. ==

I know we're trying to tame the long list of HB shows in the lead, but I realized while reading the [[Joseph Barbera]] article that one important one is missing: ''[[Super Friends]]''. It ran for 13 years, making it HB's second-longest running series next to ''Scooby-Doo''. Just wanted transparency and a consensus before adding. Thanks. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] ([[User talk:FuriousFreddy|talk]]) 20:57, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

== "[…]prayerfully, never sold their souls." ==

I first question the use of the word "prayerfully" anywhere by anyone. It doesn't seem to work here regardless. But isn't this whole notion completely subjective? What's the citation for their never having sold their souls? That's quite an assertion. I recommend the removal of the entire phrase.

[[User:Mbshick|Mbshick]] ([[User talk:Mbshick|talk]]) 19:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:<span class="template-ping">@[[:User:Mbshick|Mbshick]]:</span> It sure looks like it doesn't belong. I can't see who added it, but I've removed it. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 19:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

== Renaming ==

On 2017-05-31, this article was renamed from Hanna-Barbera (with hyphen) to Hanna–Barbera (with endash). As far as I can see this was done without any prior discussion. It had been stable at the old name for years. My inclination is to reinstate the old title. There's guidance at [[WP:ENDASH]]:

{{quote|Generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities.
*Guinea-Bissau; Bissau is the capital, and this distinguishes the country from neighboring Guinea
*Wilkes-Barre, a single city named after two people, but Minneapolis–Saint Paul, a union of two cities
*John Lennard-Jones, an individual named after two families}}

Any objections? [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 10:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per the page you cited: [[WP:DASH]]. This isn't a compound name of a single person like a woman who hyphenates her name when she gets married. This is a conjunction of two separate entities. "Use an en dash for the names of two or more entities in an attributive compound.: the Seifert–van Kampen theorem; the Alpher–Bethe–Gamow theory, the Seeliger–Donker-Voet scheme (developed by Seeliger and Donker-Voet), Comet Hale–Bopp or just Hale–Bopp (discovered by Hale and Bopp)" (for those who can't tell, those latter examples all use ndashes). This isn't a person who was renamed but a company whose name is a conjunction of two distinct names. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 17:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
::The closest example to this case is Wilkes-Barre. It's a single entity, but it's named after two people. Hanna-Barbera has the same form. It's not a conjunction of separate entities, it's a single entity named after two people. [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 17:53, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Colonies Chris}} How is it ''not'' like the ones listed above? ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
::::The guideline says the use of endash applies to "attributive compounds"; all the examples you quoted are exactly that. But H-B is not - there is no noun for which the conjoined names are an attribute. [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 22:06, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::"or just Hale–Bopp (discovered by Hale and Bopp)". ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 05:30, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::But that's just a shortened form of the attributive compound "Comet Hale–Bopp". Hanna-Barbera is the full name. [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 10:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|Colonies Chris}} Okay, but this is "Hanna–Barbera Productions, Inc." How is that not the same thing? ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Because the title of the comet article is [[Comet Hale–Bopp]], so the endash is retained when referring to it in a shortened form. With HB, the situation is reversed. The title is not Hanna–Barbera Productions, Inc, it's just the commonly used short form Hanna-Barbera. In any case the situation is rather similar to [[Thừa Thiên-Huế Province]], which is a single province in Vietnam originally compounded from Thừa Thiên Province and Huế Province, but we refer it now using a hyphen because it has an established separate identity from its components - as does HB. [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 14:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – I'm no English major, but from the explanations I've seen on Wikipedia and elsewhere, the hyphen is generally preferred when a single entity is involved. Hanna and Barbera are two entities, yes, but their company is one entity. If I was describing something other than a company name, I'd side with the en dash argument. Two related examples I can think of are [[Bristol-Myers Squibb]] and [[Kimberly-Clark]]. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 20:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Per reasons given above. [[User:Aoi|青い(Aoi)]] ([[User talk:Aoi|talk]]) 00:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

* {{done|Moved}} -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 09:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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== "The General Motors of animation" / Two Thirds line ==
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Completely new at this, but I caught this and figured I would let more experienced wiki editors decide on how to handle it.
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The "Referred to as "The General Motors of animation", Hanna-Barbera eventually went even further by producing nearly two-thirds of all Saturday-morning cartoons in a single year." line under the Mysteries, spinoffs, and more (1969–1979) caught my eye, just because that's a lot and it wasn't all that specific and didn't have a source. After a google search, I found it's from Joe's book My Life in ’Toons, p.55, which is on the Internet archive. I don't know about copying text wholesale from the book, but what's actually written is closer to "...and at one point we were responsible for something like 70 percent of all the cartoons on TV in a year". From what I can tell, one person just paraphrased from the book and other websites have copied it as being correct and this has wound up on Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/96.46.10.2|96.46.10.2]] ([[User talk:96.46.10.2|talk]]) 03:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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== "Is" or "Was" ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2018 ==


Im doing some copyediting on the lede, and was wondering if "is an American animation studio..." is appropriate? From reading the article, the company (and studio) seem to no longer functionally exist, with only the name persisting in use by Warner Bros as a sort of brand. Should it be changed to "was"? <span style="margin-right:0.1em; padding:3px 4px 2px; background-color:#374ec6; border:1px; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:2px 2px 4px #A0A080;">[[User:gompk|<span style="color:White; font-size: 11pt">gompk</span>]]</span> 10:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Can someone please add [[Warner Bros. Animation]] and [[Warner Animation Group]] back as successors in the company infobox? Hanna-Barbera was absorbed into Warner Bros. Animation, not Cartoon Network Studios, and currently H-B operates as an in-name-only division of WBA, which owns most of its physical assets and makes new productions derived from its library, so that's what makes WBA (and Warner Animation Group in terms of theatrical movies) successors to H-B in the first place. Cartoon Network Studios was only created as a spin-off of H-B. [[Special:Contributions/186.149.155.123|186.149.155.123]] ([[User talk:186.149.155.123|talk]]) 19:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{PImplemented}}. I added Warner Bros. Animation into the infobox as a successor entity per your comment about Hanna-Barbera being absorbed into Warner Bros. Animation upon its dissolution. I didn't add Warner Animation Group as it does not appear to have any relation to Hanna-Barbera as an entity; let me know if you have a source that says otherwise. Thank you for your contributions. [[User:Aoi|Aoi (青い)]] ([[User talk:Aoi|talk]]) 19:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
::You didn't notice that WAG is making movies based on Scooby-Doo and The Jetsons, did you? [[Special:Contributions/88.66.240.173|88.66.240.173]] ([[User talk:88.66.240.173|talk]]) 19:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:::That doesn't mean it's a successor entity. Find a source that says "WAG is a successor to Hanna Barbera". [[User:Aoi|Aoi (青い)]] ([[User talk:Aoi|talk]]) 19:37, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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== Pronunciation ==
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Almost 100% of the entire human population pronounces "Barbera" as "BarBERa" with emphasis on the second syllable, not like "Barbara", with emphasis on the first syllable. The very link used as the source for the "BARbera" pronunciation, says "barBERa", not "BARbera".
== Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe ==
I have found ZERO videos on YouTube of anyone saying "BARbera", and EVERY video I've seen of people talking about Joseph Barbera, or even talking TO him, has pronounced his last name as "BarBERa".
Yet, not only is the pronunciation listed ONLY as "BARbera", it doesn't even list "barBERa" as an alternative, despite the fact that very FEW people pronounce it the way this article suggests is the correct pronunciation. [[Special:Contributions/82.14.94.57|82.14.94.57]] ([[User talk:82.14.94.57|talk]]) 21:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


== Cause of the shuttering of Hanna-Barbera ==
{{ping|Jerrylewis528}} thank you for your work on improving this page. I wanted to explain some changes I made to the "2001-present" section of this article:
# First, I reorganized the paragraphs so that each separate theme is a paragraph &ndash; so one paragraph on Warner's work using Hanna-Barbera properties, one paragraph on films in development, and one paragraph on comics. It didn't make sense to have final paragraph discuss films and comics when the previous paragraph already discussed the SCOOB film, so I put all the information on films in one place.
# Second, I removed a reference to the Hanna-Barbera cinematic universe including films on The Flintstones, Wacky Races, and The Jetsons. None of the articles cited actually say that the films being developed on these properties will be part of the cinematic universe; they only say that the films are in development. (By the way, thanks for removing the sentence fragment that I left during my edits yesterday.)


It was the box office failure of The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas that led to the company being shuttered. Should we add that? See the link here:https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-film-that-killed-hanna-barbera/ [[User:Evope|Evope]] ([[User talk:Evope|talk]]) 07:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, [[User:Aoi|Aoi (青い)]] ([[User talk:Aoi|talk]]) 17:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 08:12, 14 September 2024

"The General Motors of animation" / Two Thirds line

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Completely new at this, but I caught this and figured I would let more experienced wiki editors decide on how to handle it.

The "Referred to as "The General Motors of animation", Hanna-Barbera eventually went even further by producing nearly two-thirds of all Saturday-morning cartoons in a single year." line under the Mysteries, spinoffs, and more (1969–1979) caught my eye, just because that's a lot and it wasn't all that specific and didn't have a source. After a google search, I found it's from Joe's book My Life in ’Toons, p.55, which is on the Internet archive. I don't know about copying text wholesale from the book, but what's actually written is closer to "...and at one point we were responsible for something like 70 percent of all the cartoons on TV in a year". From what I can tell, one person just paraphrased from the book and other websites have copied it as being correct and this has wound up on Wikipedia. 96.46.10.2 (talk) 03:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Is" or "Was"

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Im doing some copyediting on the lede, and was wondering if "is an American animation studio..." is appropriate? From reading the article, the company (and studio) seem to no longer functionally exist, with only the name persisting in use by Warner Bros as a sort of brand. Should it be changed to "was"? gompk 10:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

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Almost 100% of the entire human population pronounces "Barbera" as "BarBERa" with emphasis on the second syllable, not like "Barbara", with emphasis on the first syllable. The very link used as the source for the "BARbera" pronunciation, says "barBERa", not "BARbera". I have found ZERO videos on YouTube of anyone saying "BARbera", and EVERY video I've seen of people talking about Joseph Barbera, or even talking TO him, has pronounced his last name as "BarBERa". Yet, not only is the pronunciation listed ONLY as "BARbera", it doesn't even list "barBERa" as an alternative, despite the fact that very FEW people pronounce it the way this article suggests is the correct pronunciation. 82.14.94.57 (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of the shuttering of Hanna-Barbera

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It was the box office failure of The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas that led to the company being shuttered. Should we add that? See the link here:https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-film-that-killed-hanna-barbera/ Evope (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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