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Leaves out Pakistan's Choice to Separate

Some writers of this article may not be aware, but during the Indian Independence Movement, Pakistan chose to separate while Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru begged the nation to not. Pakistan chose to separate over the difference of religion, while India wanted Pakistan to not secede. This article does not include one sentence about Pakistan's choice. What a horrible article! Like always, Wikipedia is biased towards Pakistan. PUNJABI CHIEF (talk) 00:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

Echo1Charlie can you explain this revert? VR _talk 12:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC) Hai good day,[reply]
As I have stated in my edit summary your edit was reverted as it was unsourced [1] –see that change it was changing the whole meaning of the sentence and unsourced at the same time, but you were right, I checked the inline citation (only now, sorry for that). –Echo1Charlie (talk) 16:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sikhism section

I am removing the Sikhism section, which was as given below. The narrative describes the events of March 1947, when Pakistan had not even come into being. So it is silly to call it "Anti-Pakistan sentiment". Moreover, their government was brought down by the Muslim Leage through six months of non-stop agitation, campaigning and calls to violence. No doubt the Sikhs were opposed to the creation of Pakistan, but that was on legitimate grouds since their own homeland would get divided. Finally, both the sides equally engaged in Murdabad slogans in the run up to the partition [2][3]. It doesn't make sense to call it "anti-X sentiment".

I also notice misinformation to the effect that "the administration of Punjab was taken over by Muslim League". It wasn't. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sikhism

The slogan "Death to Pakistan" (Pakistan Murdabad) was raised by Sikh leader Master Tara Singh in March 1947, soon after the Unionist Party cabinet of Malik Khizar Hayat Tiwana resigned in the Punjab, and immediately after it was announced that the Muslim League would take over the reins of provincial government.^[1]^[2]^[3] The resignation of the Khizar Tiwana government, composed of Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs, followed the unrest caused by the call for the Direct Action Day by the Muslim League the previous year.^[1]^[4]
According to historian Stanley Wolpert in A New History of India,^[2] when the administration of Punjab was taken over by Muslim League, "Master Tara Singh, prominent Sikh political and religious leader in the first half of the 20th century, called for direct action by his khalsa against the League at this time, igniting the powder keg of repressed violence that set the Punjab ablaze with his cry of "Pakistan Murdabad" ("Death to Pakistan"). Tara Singh and his followers were demanding a Sikh nation of their own, Khalistan, and by demonstrating their willingness to die in defence of their homeland, they sought to prove the validity of their claim."^[2] This slogan often was followed by religious fights and conflicts.^[5]^[6]^[7]

References

^ ^a ^b Vohra, Ranbir (2001), The Making of India: A Historical Survey, M.E. Sharpe, p. 177, ISBN 978-0-7656-0711-9

^ ^a ^b ^c Wolpert, Stanley A. (2004), A new history of India, New York: Oxford University Press, p. 347, ISBN 978-0-19-516677-4

^ Moon, Penderel (1962), Divide and Quit, University of California Press, p. 77, GGKEY:4N8AYYFTYFJ

^ Singh, Anita Inder (2002), "The Origins of the Partition of India 1936–1947", in Mushrul Hasan (ed.), The Partition Omnibus, Delhi: Oxford University Press, p. 218, ISBN 978-0-19-565850-7 Quote: The attitude of the provincial Congress and Sikh leaders was provocative and hysterical. But it was explicable because the League's attitude during its agitation against the Khizar coalition was one of arrogance towards the minorities and it had never given them any indication of what Pakistan meant or what it might offer them in return for support. The League, as Jenkins pointed out, had also set a foreboding precedent by overthrowing a popular ministry by force, and, after the announcement of 20 February, had made every suggestion that it would capture the Punjab by any means. On 4 March Hindu and Sikh students took out a procession through the main part of Lahore shouting "Pakistan Murdabad", "Jinnah Murdabad" and according to Dawn "Allaho-Akbar Murdabad". Rioting broke out in Lahore and Multan, and Khizar resigned as caretaker Prime Minister, chiefly because his ministry could not control the situation.

^ Rajendra Kumar Mishra (2012). Babri Mosque: A Clash of Civilizations. Dorrance Publishing. p. 103. ISBN 978-1434967428.

^ Nagappan, Ramu (2005). Speaking havoc social suffering and South Asian narratives. Seattle: University of Washington Press. p. 91. ISBN 978-0295801711.

^ Allen, Richard (2000). Literature & nation : Britain and India : 1800–1990 (1. publ. ed.). London: Routledge [u.a.] p. 355. ISBN 978-0415212076.

Weak refs

The entire article is full of dubious statements either unreffed or supported by dubious refs from non-WP:RS sources - non-neutral, politically fringe etc. Ef80 (talk) 19:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Vohra2001-1] Vohra, Ranbir (2001), The Making of India: A Historical Survey, M.E. Sharpe, p. 177, ISBN 978-0-7656-0711-9

[Wolpert2004-2] Wolpert, Stanley A. (2004), A new history of India, New York: Oxford University Press, p. 347, ISBN 978-0-19-516677-4

[Moon1962-3] Moon, Penderel (1962), Divide and Quit, University of California Press, p. 77, GGKEY:4N8AYYFTYFJ

[PageSingh2002-4] Singh, Anita Inder (2002), "The Origins of the Partition of India 1936–1947", in Mushrul Hasan (ed.), The Partition Omnibus, Delhi: Oxford University Press, p. 218, ISBN 978-0-19-565850-7 Quote: The attitude of the provincial Congress and Sikh leaders was provocative and hysterical. But it was explicable because the League's attitude during its agitation against the Khizar coalition was one of arrogance towards the minorities and it had never given them any indication of what Pakistan meant or what it might offer them in return for support. The League, as Jenkins pointed out, had also set a foreboding precedent by overthrowing a popular ministry by force, and, after the announcement of 20 February, had made every suggestion that it would capture the Punjab by any means. On 4 March Hindu and Sikh students took out a procession through the main part of Lahore shouting "Pakistan Murdabad", "Jinnah Murdabad" and according to Dawn "Allaho-Akbar Murdabad". Rioting broke out in Lahore and Multan, and Khizar resigned as caretaker Prime Minister, chiefly because his ministry could not control the situation.

[Kumar-5] Rajendra Kumar Mishra (2012). Babri Mosque: A Clash of Civilizations. Dorrance Publishing. p. 103. ISBN 978-1434967428.

[Ramu-6] Nagappan, Ramu (2005). Speaking havoc social suffering and South Asian narratives. Seattle: University of Washington Press. p. 91. ISBN 978-0295801711.

[Richard-7] Allen, Richard (2000). Literature & nation : Britain and India : 1800–1990 (1. publ. ed.). London: Routledge [u.a.] p. 355. ISBN 978-0415212076.

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+== Leaves out Pakistan's Choice to Separate ==
-== More like Anti-Punjabi/Muhajir sentiment ==
-Sindhis, Pashtun(Afghans),Balochi/Brahuis have their own nation and they don't get to be called Pakis! --[[Special:Contributions/108.173.174.134|108.173.174.134]] ([[User talk:108.173.174.134|talk]]) 00:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
-== RfC ==
-{{bulb}}An RfC: [[Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center#RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles?|Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles?]] has been posted at the [[Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center#RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles?|Southern Poverty Law Center talk page]]. Your participation is welcomed. &ndash; [[user: MrX|MrX]] 16:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
+Some writers of this article may not be aware, but during the Indian Independence Movement, Pakistan chose to separate while Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru begged the nation to not. Pakistan chose to separate over the difference of religion, while India wanted Pakistan to not secede. This article does not include one sentence about Pakistan's choice. What a horrible article! Like always, Wikipedia is biased towards Pakistan. [[User:PUNJABI CHIEF|PUNJABI CHIEF]] ([[User talk:PUNJABI CHIEF|talk]]) 00:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
-== Two Nation Theory ==
+== Revert ==
-Can anyone please explain how some recently added sources about ''Two Nation Theory'' fails verification? and other issues as well. --[[User:Smsarmad|<span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span><span style="background:white;color:DodgerBlue">'''M'''</span><span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span>]]  <sup>[[User talk:Smsarmad|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
-:They fail verification in the usual way. Two sources are unreliable for statements of fact as they are not academic publishers but penguin books India. Any further questions? [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 15:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
-::Penguin Books India ''unreliable''? May I also see the decree declaring this as such? And about other sources, here are the relevant quotes and my comments:
-:::'''Citation 5''' tagged as ''"not in citation given"'':''"...For India, the state--now divided by a "line of control"--is fully a part of the Indian union; with its 65-percent Muslim population, it stands as a symbolic rebuttal to the "two nation" theory that underlay the founding of Pakistan. Moreover, India asserts that Kashmir's inclusion in India serves as a guarantor of the secular state...."''
-:::'''Citation 7''' tagged as ''"not in citation given"'':''"...I stated categorically that Indians accepted the right of Pakistan to be a sovereign, independent state; what we did not, nor ever would accept, was the two-nation theory of Muslims being a nation apart from Hindus and Sikhs .... Pakistani delegates began to heckle me. 'If you don't accept the two-nation theory, you don't accept Pakistan'..."'' by a journalist/former member India's upper house [[Khushwant Singh]].
-:::'''Citation 8''' tagged as ''"unreliable source?"'': It is a reliable source published jointly by Promilla (an academic publisher) and [[Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses|IDSA]].
-:::'''Citation 9''' tagged as ''"not in citation given"'':''"...With the emergence of Pakistan, the ideological issues should have come to an end. But that was not so. The Congress accepted the partition because this was unavoidable, but it did not accept the 'two-nation theory'...."''
-:::'''Citation 10''' tagged as ''"not in citation given"'':''"...India's stand may be summed up with the words of Nehru, "...we have never accepted, even when partition came to India, the two-nation theory, that is that the Hindus are one nation and the Muslims are another.... I say we cannot accept that..."..."''
-:::'''Citation 11''' tagged as ''"not in citation given"'':''"...Due to India's reticence to accept the two-nation theory, Pakistan has always perceived India as a threat to its very existence as an independent nation state..."''
-::Kindly provide reasoning for individual source separately that how they are unreliable and/or fails verification. --[[User:Smsarmad|<span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span><span style="background:white;color:DodgerBlue">'''M'''</span><span style="background:white;color:LightSeaGreen">'''S'''</span>]]  <sup>[[User talk:Smsarmad|Talk]]</sup> 19:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
-: "Two Nation Theory" is the thesis that Hindus and Muslims form separate nations.  Indians, by and large, don't believe that.  That doesn't automatically make them anti-Pakistan. The Congress party did accept the formation of the Pakistan, quite independently of their ideological opposition to the Two Nation Theory. So, this is a non-sequitur.
-: This article is quite a joke. If US is the country with the maximum "anti-Pakistan sentiment," how come it is not discussed? Why is India, with a mid-range "anti-Pakistan sentiment," at the top? Frankly, I believe the editors of this article are just displaying their own anti-India sentiment. [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 20:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
+{{u|Echo1Charlie}} can you explain [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=1052060611 this revert]? '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 12:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
-== Indian propaganda and synthesis ==
+Hai good day,<br>
-Its obvious some indian pov pusher has synthesised information from the article on Pakistan and state terrorism I have read all the Indian articles which themselves do not mention any anti-pakistan sentiment. [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 18:22, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
+As I have stated in my edit summary your edit was reverted as it was unsourced [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Pakistan_sentiment&diff=1052055125&oldid=1042597134] –see that change it was changing the whole meaning of the sentence and unsourced at the same time, but you were right, I checked the inline citation (only now, sorry for that). –[[User:Echo1Charlie|Echo1Charlie]] ([[User talk:Echo1Charlie|talk]]) 16:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
-:{{u|Excipient0}}, it is not propaganda, it is based on sources.--[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:red;">Human</span><span style="color:green;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• 18:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-::Obviously based on synthesis without any proper mention of any sentiment must be deleted soon I will contact other neutral users so they can remove it. [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 18:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-::: You cannot prove anything in those articles I have read them none of them mention anti-Pakistan sentiment just some random comments by Indian politicians. [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 18:33, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-::::We are neutral users, How you can claim that there is no "anti-Pakistan sentiments" in India? We can get numerous sources on it. --[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:red;">Human</span><span style="color:green;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• 18:35, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-::::: Well do me a favour and get them these sources are garbage and I find it hard to believe any Indian could ever have an ounce of neutrality when it comes to Pakistan...[[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 18:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::::: I never said there are no Anti-Pakistan sentiment in India its bursting at the seams with Pakistan phobia but  provide me a source which makes the link between Indian allegations of terrorism and anti-pakistan sentiment instead of this synthesis/original sources. [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 18:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::read this where foreign nations accused Pakistan.<ref>http://www.firstpost.com/politics/isi-sponsors-terror-activities-in-kashmir-fbi-tells-us-court-46038.html</ref><ref name="ReferenceB">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-exposes-ISI-subversion-of-Kashmir-issue-FBI-arrests-US-based-lobbyist/articleshow/9294830.cms</ref><ref name="ReferenceB"/><ref>http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-isi-gives-arms-to-kashmiri-terrorists-rana-to-fbi/20110607.htm</ref><ref>http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/isi-funneled-millions-to-influence-us-policy-on-kashmir-fbi/819859/</ref><ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/two-charged-in-pakistani-spy-services-alleged-funneling-of-money-via-us-group/2011/07/19/gIQAbVTmOI_story.html</ref> --[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:red;">Human</span><span style="color:green;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• 18:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-::::::::::::::Please stick to the topic I understand allot of Indians wish to involved others but this is about Indias phobic tendancy of Pakistan not other countries try and stay focused and read properly the section title. [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 18:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
+== Sikhism section ==
-None of the above is anti-pakistan sentiment and none of these articles even mention it its a bunch of allegations against the Pakistani government and does not merit inclusion it makes no sense what so ever. [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 22:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
+I am removing the Sikhism section, which was as given below. The narrative describes the events of March 1947, when Pakistan had not even come into being. So it is silly to call it "Anti-Pakistan sentiment". Moreover, ''their government'' was brought down by the Muslim Leage through six months of non-stop agitation, campaigning and calls to violence. No doubt the Sikhs were opposed to the creation of Pakistan, but that was on legitimate grouds since their own homeland would get divided. Finally, both the sides equally engaged in Murdabad slogans in the run up to the partition [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eGCAAAAAIAAJ&q=congress+murdabad&dq=congress+murdabad&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6vdO28c_9AhVfgf0HHZ3kAKU4ChDoAXoECAgQAg][https://archive.org/details/HindSwaraj-Nehru-SW-08/page/n235/mode/2up?q=%22Congress+murdabad%22&view=theater]. It doesn't make sense to call it "anti-X sentiment".
-:{{u|Excipient0}}, don't do same things again, this has been reverted by many editors till now. Don't keep on deleting that matter. We are writing anti-Pakistan sentiment in India, so we have to write what India thinks about Pakistan. It doesn't mean that Pakistan have done those things in reality.--[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:Magenta  ;">Human</span><span style="color:LawnGreen ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> Say Hey!!</span>]]&nbsp;• 22:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
-:: I agree I have added the appropriate information on Pakistans view of India :) [[User:Excipient0|Excipient0]] ([[User talk:Excipient0|talk]]) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
+I also notice misinformation to the effect that "the administration of Punjab was taken over by Muslim League". It wasn't. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 22:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
+{{quotebox|align=left|text====Sikhism===
-:::There is a huge difference between prejudice against Pakistan, and making allegations about the Pakistani government. This is [[WP:SYNTH]] of the highest order (which is why I have removed the corresponding section from the Indian article, too. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 22:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
+The slogan "Death to Pakistan" (''[[Pakistan Murdabad]]'') was raised by Sikh leader [[Master Tara Singh]] in March 1947, soon after the [[Unionist Party (Punjab)|Unionist Party]] cabinet of [[Malik Khizar Hayat Tiwana]] resigned in the [[Punjab region|Punjab]], and immediately after it was announced that the [[All-India Muslim League|Muslim League]] would take over the reins of provincial government.<ref name="Vohra2001"/><ref name="Wolpert2004"/><ref name="Moon1962">{{citation|last=Moon|first=Penderel | author-link = Penderel Moon|title=Divide and Quit|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=WpViCTc-YAgC&pg=PA77|year=1962|publisher=University of California Press|page=77|id=GGKEY:4N8AYYFTYFJ}}</ref> The resignation of the Khizar Tiwana government, composed of [[Muslims]], [[Hindus]], and [[Sikhs]], followed the unrest caused by the call for the [[Direct Action Day]] by the [[Muslim League (Opposition)|Muslim League]] the previous year.<ref name="Vohra2001">{{citation|last=Vohra|first=Ranbir|title=The Making of India: A Historical Survey|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=IDKoyGjFo44C&pg=PA177|year=2001|publisher=M.E. Sharpe|isbn=978-0-7656-0711-9|page=177}}</ref><ref name="PageSingh2002">{{citation|last=Singh|first=Anita Inder|editor=Mushrul Hasan|title=The Partition Omnibus|chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=1mJuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA218|year=2002|publisher=Oxford University Press|location=Delhi|isbn=978-0-19-565850-7|page=218|chapter=The Origins of the Partition of India 1936–1947}} Quote: The attitude of the provincial Congress and Sikh leaders was provocative and hysterical.  But it was explicable because the League's attitude during its agitation against the Khizar coalition was one of arrogance towards the minorities and it had never given them any indication of what Pakistan meant or what it might offer them in return for support.  The League, as Jenkins pointed out, had also set a foreboding precedent by overthrowing a popular ministry by force, and, after the announcement of 20 February, had made every suggestion that it would capture the Punjab by any means.  On 4 March Hindu and Sikh students took out a procession through the main part of Lahore shouting "''Pakistan Murdabad''", "''Jinnah Murdabad''" and according to ''Dawn'' "''Allaho-Akbar Murdabad''".  Rioting broke out in Lahore and Multan, and Khizar resigned as caretaker Prime Minister, chiefly because his ministry could not control the situation.</ref>
-::::{{u|Vanamonde93}}, the foremost reason why there is anti-Pakistan sentiment in India is terrorist attacks. If we don't mention it then what is the use of this article? It is allegations or realities, but still there is a anti-Pakistan sentiment because of that. We can provide more sources instead of deleting it. You can add any relevant tag to improve it.  --[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:Magenta  ;">Human</span><span style="color:LawnGreen ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> Say Hey!!</span>]]&nbsp;• 23:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::::[[User:Human3015]], you are completely missing the point. If you find reliable sources talking about "anti-Pakistan sentiment" and making the link to terrorism, go ahead and add it. Currently, you have added a whole bunch of [[WP:OR|original research]], which is against policy. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 23:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
+According to historian [[Stanley Wolpert]] in ''A New History of India'',<ref name="Wolpert2004">{{citation|last=Wolpert|first=Stanley A.|author-link=Stanley Wolpert|title=A new history of India|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=nTwwAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA347|year=2004|publisher=Oxford University Press|location=New York|isbn=978-0-19-516677-4|page=347}}</ref> when the administration of [[Punjab]] was taken over by Muslim League, "Master Tara Singh, prominent Sikh political and religious leader in the first half of the 20th century, called for direct action by his ''[[khalsa]]'' against the League at this time, igniting the powder keg of repressed violence that set the Punjab ablaze with his cry of "''Pakistan Murdabad''" ("Death to Pakistan"). Tara Singh and his followers were [[Khalistan movement|demanding a Sikh nation]] of their own, [[Khalistan]], and by demonstrating their willingness to die in defence of their homeland, they sought to prove the validity of their claim."<ref name="Wolpert2004"/> This slogan often was followed by religious fights and conflicts.<ref name=Kumar>{{cite book|last=Rajendra Kumar Mishra|title=Babri Mosque: A Clash of Civilizations|year=2012|publisher=Dorrance Publishing|isbn=978-1434967428|page=103}}</ref><ref name=Ramu>{{cite book|last=Nagappan|first=Ramu|title=Speaking havoc social suffering and South Asian narratives|year=2005|publisher=University of Washington Press|location=Seattle|isbn=978-0295801711|page=[https://archive.org/details/speakinghavocsoc0000naga/page/91 91]|url=https://archive.org/details/speakinghavocsoc0000naga/page/91}}</ref><ref name="Richard">{{cite book|title=Literature & nation : Britain and India : 1800–1990|last=Allen|first=Richard|publisher=Routledge [u.a.]|year=2000|isbn=978-0415212076|edition=1. publ.|location=London|page=[https://archive.org/details/literaturenation1800unse/page/355 355]|url=https://archive.org/details/literaturenation1800unse/page/355}}</ref>
-::::::{{U|Vanamonde93}}, you may not find word "Anti-Paksitan sentiments" in any literature, I question if other matter mentioned in article have sourced matter mentioning "anti-Pakistan sentiments". Western nations blame Pakistan for for terrorism have bunch of sources. I just got reverted. Currently maybe late night in India, when other involved editors will wake up tomorrow this war may get worst. So better we should find solution now. --[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:Magenta  ;">Human</span><span style="color:LawnGreen ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> Say Hey!!</span>]]&nbsp;• 23:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
+{{reftalk}}}}
-:::::::[[User:Human3015]], if there is other content without proper sourcing, then remove (or find sources for) that as well. Like I told Excipient a few minutes ago, having some crap in the article is no reason to put more in. This can be quite a useful article, if the POV pushing is removed and real sources are found. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 23:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
-::::::::The other sections like France actually mention PakistanPhobia so its fine I dont think any other western country as you claim mentions anti-Pakistan sentiment as a result of terrorism that is just your pov. [[Special:Contributions/86.145.74.129|86.145.74.129]] ([[User talk:86.145.74.129|talk]]) 23:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::::::::This {{u|Excipient0}} is not taking part in discussion but active in reverting things. See history of page, he has been always involved in edit war on this page and he has been blocked once for that, still he is reverting people without giving any srong justification on talk. --[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:Magenta  ;">Human</span><span style="color:LawnGreen ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> Say Hey!!</span>]]&nbsp;• 23:25, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
+== Weak refs ==
-I have fully protected the article for three days in order that a consensus can form over how much of the "Terrorism" section should appear in the article. However, I will say this - if I see any more [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] from ''any'' editors on ''any'' side of the dispute, I will consider blocking them indefinitely until I can get a guarantee such disruption will no longer occur. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:53, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
-:Consensus is clear, thus I am restoring the last version that had consensus. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 04:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-::[[User:OccultZone]], if you restore the so-called consensus, the least you can do is to weigh in on why the content is appropriate or otherwise. Regardless of what previous consensus might be, there is no indication in any of those sources that anti-Pakistan bias is involved. On what basis was the previous consensus formed? [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 05:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::Why you didn't discussed it in all those protected days {{u|Vanamonde93}}? Number of editors restoring OccultZone's version are much higher than those who are removing it. It is clear consensus and obvious fact that in India there is anti-Pakistan sentiment is mainly because of terrorist attacks. This maybe just allegations but still there is such sentiment. You can tag article for "better source" but is obviously not case of deletion. --[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:Magenta  ;">Human</span><span style="color:LawnGreen ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> Say Hey!!</span>]]&nbsp;• 05:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::: {{ping|Vanamonde93}} I doubt if this can ever be a useful article. All "anti-X" articles are essentially POV pages for people of X to throw dirt at others, while deflecting any criticism of X itself. Just look at the disparity between the data in the table and the article text, a problem I pointed out several months ago. Anyway, given that the article exists, I think the current mention of terrorism is quite understated and appropriate for the context. I would just move it down to the bottom of the section instead of the top. - [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 13:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::::{{u|Kautilya3}}, top reason should be on top.--[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:Magenta  ;">Human</span><span style="color:LawnGreen ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FA0"> Say Hey!!</span>]]&nbsp;• 13:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-:::::: If there is a source that says that it is the "top reason," then you can have it at the top. Otherwise, the section should follow the logical sequence. - [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 13:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
-::::::: Here is a source that says that actions by Kashmiri insurgents on civilians causes anti-Pakistan sentiment.<ref>{{citation|last1=Schnabel|first1=Albrecht|last2=Carment|first2=David|title=Conflict Prevention from Rhetoric to Reality: Organizations and institutions. Volume 1|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=3ud6x_yfB3UC&pg=PA120|date=1 January 2004|publisher=Lexington Books|isbn=978-0-7391-0738-6|p=120}}</ref>
-::::::::[[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]], I'd be fine with this source; I am not fine with the content as it stands (nor with analogous content on the "anti-India" page. I think it could be useful just because prejudice against Pakistan is real, even if the page does not currently cover such. But accusations about the government are not an example of prejudice, and should not be treated as such. Politicians in the opposition make similar accusations, for goodness sake, are they then also "anti-Pakistan?" [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 14:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
+The entire article is full of dubious statements either unreffed or supported by dubious refs from non-[[WP:RS]] sources - non-neutral, politically fringe etc. [[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 19:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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