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== Honda Fit hybrid ==
== Fit = Cunt in Sweden? ==
Rumor has it, that the reason the name is different in Europe is because of a naming goof. Truth or Fiction? The world would like to know.<br>~ender 2013-01-02 11:59:AM MST


:There is such a word in swedish: "Fitta", See http://translate.google.com/#sv/en/fitta
Consider the source. [[Nihon Keizai Shimbun]] is Japan's version of the [[Wall Street Journal]].


:It makes for a nice story, which is usually an indicator of an urban myth. See similar claims at http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/misxlate.asp
I have stated it as a rumour, but they are stating it as fact. [[User:Ng.j|Ng.j]] 23:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


:A lot of these urban myths are too good of a story to be true, and the "small on the outside, but large on the inside" slogan seems like it is a good example of that. See http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp for another example.
Looks like Honda changed direction and will go with something else. [[User:Ng.j|Ng.j]] 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


:The main reason I don't buy this story is that the vehicle is marketed as the "Fit" in Japan, China, and North and South America and as the "Jazz" in Europe, Asia, Oceania, the Middle East, and Africa. Why change the name in Africa if the naming problem is in Sweden?
Either way, this article is not self consistent on the topic. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.102.95.98|76.102.95.98]] ([[User talk:76.102.95.98|talk]]) 05:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Until someone comes up with a reliable source showing that the Fit name was used in Sweden and then changed, I suggest treating this as a probable urban myth. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 00:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
== Jazz badge in North America? ==


::It was originally planned to be named "Fitta", press materials etc were already printed by the time Honda realized that all of Scandinavia would laugh their heads off. Since Europe is a fairly well integrated market, "Jazz" (as already used in the 80s) was chosen instead for the entire region. I guess the other markets just followed by sheer inertia, but don't have any actual evidence for that part. Added another citation from 2002. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 02:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I know that the car is/was being marketed as a "Fit" here in the States, but just a few days ago I spotted a Honda Fit with a "Jazz" badge. I'm located nowhere near the Mexican or Canadian borders, so I seriously doubt it's from out of the country--is Honda selling the Jazz here now? --[[User:76.26.198.20|76.26.198.20]] 03:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC) KeplerNiko


:::I'm interested to see the original report('Daily News'?) which seems to be the source material. The original of urban myths always seems to come from other sources which can never be found.--[[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 02:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
: Might have been someone who retrofitted a ''Jazz'' badge on an American ''Fit'', just for the heck of it. Still interesting, though. [[User:Mikehelms|Mike Helms]] 10:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


::::Not sure what you are referring to. I added a Swedish language source from 2002. Also, it is recommended that editors not alter their earlier comments on talk pages - instead add a new comment and leave your existing material. Sometimes <s>strikethrough</s> ("<nowiki><s> </s></nowiki>") can be used if you want to show that you have changed your mind about something. Cheers, <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 02:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
== Addition of 5 speed automatic transmission ==


:::::From the Swedish site: 'Det är Dagens Nyheter som skriver att "affären Fitta" kostat Honda åtskilliga miljoner Euro. Man citerar en japansk biltidning.' Where is this "Daily News"?--[[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 02:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
On the section where it lists the different transmissions offered for the 2nd generation Fit,there is also a 5-speed automatic transmission that's only offered with the all wheel drive Fit.


::::::Ah, "Dagens Nyheter" - I didn't realize that you were translating the name of the paper. I can't find anything that old on their own website, but the Swedish reference is from a reputable car magazine. However, I found [http://www.dn.se/diverse/p8-import-slask-motor/storre-honda-jazz/ this short article] from 2008, in which Dagens Nyheter state that the "Fitta" name was an urban myth. "Fit" would still be a problematic name in Northern Europe, but perhaps "Fitta" was always a myth? Maybe an editor in Sweden could find out more? <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 03:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
http://www.autobytel-japan.com/catalog/HO64.html


:::::::My guess is this is just a misunderstanding, 'Fit' would be pronounced by those who speak Japanese as 'Fitta' because in their language, they don't end with a consonant.--[[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 05:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/67.181.84.209|67.181.84.209]] ([[User talk:67.181.84.209|talk]]) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


::::::::Well, it's written フィット in Japanese - or "Fitto". No matter what, I wouldn't ever try to market a car called "Fit" in Scandinavia. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 23:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
== The picture is WAY too big! ==


:::::::::Marketing in Sweden is very english oriented, even swedish brands marketed for swedes have been known to use english. I can think of several examples of the use of "fit" in swedish marketing, mainly in reference to clothes (e g "slim fit") and exercise. The "problem" in swedish is that verb- and article form of "fit" is "fitta", so it's likely you would say something along the lines of "let's take the cunt for a spin" ("ska vi ta en tur i fittan"). --[[Special:Contributions/144.63.247.11|144.63.247.11]] ([[User talk:144.63.247.11|talk]]) 07:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's just my browser, but the main picture in the article looks HUGE! [[Special:Contributions/71.11.215.216|71.11.215.216]] ([[User talk:71.11.215.216|talk]]) 22:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


== Actually in norwegian, "en fitte" is a pussy, and "fitta" is the pussy, while "fitt" is the dialect variant of "en fitte" in the trøndelag and north western region of norway. Many onther dialects of norway also contains variants of the word "fitte" which would make any norwegian gigle like a school kid when the see a Honda Fit/Fitta
==Not a hatchback?==
It's rear windows is almost vertical (very 'nice'), so can it be considered a true hatchback? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:213.240.234.212|213.240.234.212]] ([[User talk:213.240.234.212|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/213.240.234.212|contribs]]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->


Here is an article about the name change from a Swedish car magazine in 2001 http://www.bilsport.se/artikel/honda-fitta-byter-namn-europa-premiar-i-host/
:True, but the angle of the rear window is not the only determining factor to classify a vehicle a [[hatchback]]. '''[[User:Roguegeek|Roguegeek]]''' <small>([[User talk:Roguegeek|talk]])</small> 10:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This is another article about the car http://www.automotorsport.se/artiklar/nyheter/20010508/nya-hondan-heter-fitta
Interesting about this is:
"Uppgiften kommer från ett japanskt motormagasin som specialiserat sig på att avslöja kommande bilmodeller. Svenska Honda säger sig inte kunna kommentera fallet, eftersom "japanska Honda inte själva släppt någon officiell information i ärendet".
Klart torde i alla fall vara att den nya lilla Hondan ska premiärvisas i Japan den 5 juni.
Om "spionuppgifterna" om namnet är riktiga, lär Svenska Honda få fundera på hur man löser det delikata problemet."
Roughly translated:
"The information comes from a Japanese motor magazine that specialize in revealing upcoming models. Swedish Honda says it is unable to comment on the case because "the Japanese Honda has not itself released any official information on the matter."
Clearly should in all cases be that the new small Honda will be shown in Japan on 5 June.
If the "spy data" of the name is correct, Swedish Honda will have to think about how to solve the delicate problem."
I guess this could be a mistranslation of フィット "Fitto" that appeared somewhere and then became an urban semi-legend. However the article about the name change (from June 21) says that it was "presented as Honda Fitta". Can't really find any other articles online from this period, except some forum posts from may 2001 making fun of the name of the model. But the real source seems to be some Japanese car magazine that might have spelled it wrong or something. [[Special:Contributions/83.255.73.115|83.255.73.115]] ([[User talk:83.255.73.115|talk]]) 11:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
:([[WP:OR]]) - my mother owns a Honda Fit since 2018; we are from Sweden and the car is an endless source of tawdry jokes. It is quite hilarious but Honda Europe definitely made the right decision... <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 15:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


== External links modified ==
Does hatchback not mean "A car with a door in the back" ? I mean it isn't a SUV or Van is it? [[Aryeonos]] [[Special:Contributions/71.94.63.105|71.94.63.105]] ([[User talk:71.94.63.105|talk]]) 19:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
:: An estate-car has a door in the back. That doesn't make it a hatchback. [[Special:Contributions/85.230.46.4|85.230.46.4]] ([[User talk:85.230.46.4|talk]]) 15:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


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::From the article "[[Hatchback]]", "Hatchback vehicles are functionally similar to station wagons (which are intended to carry large volumes), but distinguished by a (much) smaller load area. The typical hatchback roof rakes down steeply behind the C-Pillar, resulting in very little car length behind the rear wheels and thus no room for a side window over the load area." This statement sits right beside a picture label "Citroën Traction Avant hatchback" with a window behind the C-pillar! The Fit has a very small such window, but indeed a much shorter length to the load area compared to a traditional wagon (or Estate car). In my Fit (2007 U.S. spec.) there is only 18in (460-530mm) from top of the seat back to the rear hatch. However, the cargo area is tall and wide and the seats fold unusually low so that I can fit stuff back there that would be difficult or impossible in the much larger Mercury Sable wagon my sister used to have. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bdentremont|Bdentremont]] ([[User talk:Bdentremont|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bdentremont|contribs]]) 20:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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An [[User:Daniel.Cardenas|editor]] has decided to make, what I believe, is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Honda_Fit&diff=214026920&oldid=213456649 a major edit] to the second-gen section. I oppose this and think an edit like this should be brought to the group of editors. I'm not of the opinion one editor should be making a large edit such as this without discussion and the blind reverting of the opposition leads me to believe an edit war is easily within reach. I figure I'd bring it here to see what everyone's thoughts are. So, thoughts? '''[[User:Roguegeek|Roguegeek]]''' <small>([[User talk:Roguegeek|talk]])</small> 16:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


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== Power Safety? ==

<blockquote>In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows,</blockquote>
It's not obvious to me how power windows enhance safety. I've heard it argued that they detract from it, since a power failure (as is likely to happen if your car goes in the water) can trap you in the car. [[User:Isaac Rabinovitch|Isaac R]] ([[User talk:Isaac Rabinovitch|talk]]) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:I think the safety part might be that the windows will sense if they are closing on someone and automatically reverse direction. I think the original author of that sentence was copying safety features and missed a bit of info on the windows. [[Special:Contributions/67.8.169.120|67.8.169.120]] ([[User talk:67.8.169.120|talk]]) 09:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:: Maybe they're equipped with automatic hammers, no but really, I don't think I have encountered powered safety windows on any honda model I've ridden in that reverse direction. It's usually the unusual noises I make when my neck/head/fingers/arm gets closed in the window that the driver decides to revers the window. Neither the honda [[CR-V]], Prelude (Pre 2002) or Honda Civic (2004 LX) have had the decency to not hurt me with windows. I'm not saying that it's improbable to add that feature but I just think that the article lacks clarity in that sense. [[Special:Contributions/71.94.63.105|71.94.63.105]] ([[User talk:71.94.63.105|talk]]) 19:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Top of Page Image ==

I'm going to change the top image to that of the most recent model. As per IFCAR's disagreements on the page for the [[Honda Insight]] I would argue that many coming to WP looking at automobiles are usually most interested in the most recent iteration of that vehicle, and as both images are of equal quality, I see no reason against having the most recent model as the top image, as is the general standard across similar pages on WP. I am interested to hear other Wikipedian's input on this. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ThomasAndrewNimmo|ThomasAndrewNimmo]] ([[User talk:ThomasAndrewNimmo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ThomasAndrewNimmo|contribs]]) 16:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:There was a very long discussion on it that formalized the WP:Autos convention: "The image selected for an article's top (lead) infobox does not need to show any particular version or generation of the vehicle, such as the latest, the last, the first, the best-selling, or any other. Vehicle production date is not a factor when determining the quality of an image and its suitability to illustrate the lead infobox."

:It is not a factor. It is irrelevant. If you want to reopen debate on the general policy -- rather than on specific cases -- you're doing it in the wrong place. [[User:IFCAR|IFCAR]] ([[User talk:IFCAR|talk]]) 16:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Curb Weight Correct? ==

Is that accurate? Does the car really weigh over a ton with fluids and all? I mean what is it made of dyecast iron, or something, if that is accurate it weighs more than a chevy s-10 pickup (I think). Although it is possible that what I've been told about car weighting and such is a bit skewed, so that could be just it, but still, what is up? [[Special:Contributions/71.94.63.105|71.94.63.105]] ([[User talk:71.94.63.105|talk]]) 19:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
: Yes. This is about right. 2300 lb is one of the lightest cars currently available in the U.S. Look up the new Mini Cooper for example. -- [[User:Bdentremont|Bdentremont]] ([[User talk:Bdentremont|talk]]) 04:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
: According to Edmunds.com, a late year (2003) Chevy S-10 pickup base model 2 door 2WD regular cab short bed with 4 cylinder 2.2 L engine and manual transmission has a curb weight of 3,016 lb <ref>http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/chevrolet/s10/100167029/specs.html</ref>; a LS 4WD crew cab short bed with 4.3 L V6 weighs about 4,039 lb. <ref>http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/chevrolet/s10/100167042/specs.html</ref> [[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== honda city bulkhead ==

I would like to know if the honda city bulk head and the fit bulk head are the same ? let me know if they are the same or which bulk head could work on the 2004 honda city . <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.138.28.54|208.138.28.54]] ([[User talk:208.138.28.54|talk]]) 21:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Production in the Philippines ==

An editor added the Philippines as location of production in info box, but I can only find production of Honda City. Can anyone confirm if Honda Fit is produced there? [[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 08:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

== Fuel enconomy ==

The article could use more information on fuel economy, as seen in [[Honda CR-Z]] and [[Honda Insight]]. [[User:Some guy|Some guy]] ([[User talk:Some guy|talk]]) 00:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Honda Fit - hybrid premium ==

:"Company officials have indicated that the Fit Hybrid will not be offered for sale in North America, ... because they do not think North American buyers will be willing to pay the US$4,800 premium for the Fit Hybrid."
I don't think the use of US$4,800 as the premium for the Fit hybrid is appropriate when referring to the U.S. market. I think, the US$ equivalent amount is the conversion of the price difference in Japanese market between Fit hybrid and Fit base model equipped with 1.3L engine, which is not offered in North American market. To use the description of 'US$4,800 premium' may mislead some readers to think it is referring to the base model offered in the North American market.---[[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 01:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::Regardless of the merit of your argument (you are making assumptions vs a quote from a RS), at least explain this is due to the price premium, out of the quote, and w/o mentioning the amount. As it is now it reads weird.-[[User:Mariordo|Mariordo]] ([[User talk:Mariordo|talk]]) 02:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I hope I'm not stepping into an argument just for argument's sake. 1. I remove the dollar amount because I don't think the executive of Honda would put a dollar amount on it as any such pricing info. is internal and depends quite a bit on the prevailing currency exchange rate; 2. there're many RS around and not everything coming from a RS means it can't be wrong (see all those errors and corrections if there's one bother to raise questions and there're many erroneous reports that went thru' without any) or be refuted; 3. I hope I'm not trying to put my personal judgement and speculation above all else but I simply hope common sense can prevail. I found another source and hope it satisfies our requirements. Anyway, thanks for not rv.---[[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 20:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I was not trying to begin a discussion. Your last edit solves my concern. See you around.-[[User:Mariordo|Mariordo]] ([[User talk:Mariordo|talk]]) 21:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
==Regional information==
I think these sections have to go. There is no reason to list every country the car is sold in along with largely repetitive trim options. Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to condense them into a brief section. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 04:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I like the regional information. But I think in Canada, Cruise Control is not standard but only starts with LX trim level (2012, 2013). [[Special:Contributions/142.134.23.84|142.134.23.84]] ([[User talk:142.134.23.84|talk]]) 04:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== Reviews, Reception etc ==

There is a move to begin including broad "the Fit was received well" type statements, which frankly open a pandoras box to begin including pro and con type statements about the car. I'm all for leaving this type of info out of the article... but if it gets included, it needs to be from neutral, reliable sources, and needs to include positive and negative. Again, I'm all for leaving it out. [[User:842U|842U]] ([[User talk:842U|talk]]) 18:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

== Advert. tag ==

The article was tagged for "written like an advertisement"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Honda_Fit&diff=455316106&oldid=455315560 ]. Please discuss. ---[[User:North wiki|North wiki]] ([[User talk:North wiki|talk]]) 11:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

== Fit = Cunt in Sweden? ==
Rumor has it, that the reason the name is different in Europe is because of a naming goof. Truth or Fiction? The world would like to know.<br>~ender 2013-01-02 11:59:AM MST

:There is such a word in swedish: "Fitta", See http://translate.google.com/#sv/en/fitta

:It makes for a nice story, which is usually an indicator of an urban myth. See similar claims at http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/misxlate.asp

:A lot of these urban myths are too good of a story to be true, and the "small on the outside, but large on the inside" slogan seems like it is a good example of that. See http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp for another example.

:The main reason I don't buy this story is that the vehicle is marketed as the "Fit" in Japan, China, and North and South America and as the "Jazz" in Europe, Asia, Oceania, the Middle East, and Africa. Why change the name in Africa if the naming problem is in Sweden?

:Until someone comes up with a reliable source showing that the Fit name was used in Sweden and then changed, I suggest treating this as a probable urban myth. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 00:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

::It was originally planned to be named "Fitta", press materials etc were already printed by the time Honda realized that all of Scandinavia would laugh their heads off. Since Europe is a fairly well integrated market, "Jazz" (as already used in the 80s) was chosen instead for the entire region. I guess the other markets just followed by sheer inertia, but don't have any actual evidence for that part. Added another citation from 2002. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 02:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


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== Apples and Oranges ==


== Proposed merge of [[Honda Fit (second generation)]] into [[Honda Fit]] ==
Re: "The new electric motor is up to 98 percent efficient, contrast to the typical 15 percent efficiency of a gasoline engine.", this is comparing apples and oranges. A more fair comparison would be to compare how many miles each goes on a barrel of crude oil ( [ crude --> refinery --> gasoline --> engine --> miles traveled ] vs. [ crude --> refinery --> fuel oil --> power plant --> charger --> battery --> electric motor --> miles traveled ] ) This would have to be followed by information about how the numbers differ with nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar etc. That's a lot of work, but it would be a nice stand alone article. We could call it [[Efficiency of Electric vs. Fossil-fuel-powered vehicles]]. Are any of you EV enthusiasts or engineers game?


In the meantime, does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement of the misleading 98%/15% comparison? --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 00:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
There is already a section at [[Honda Fit]] which talks about second-generation Honda Fit. Why need a new article??? [[User:Hatchens|Hatchens]] ([[User talk:Hatchens|talk]]) 07:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
:It has been done in numerous popular car articles which has reached the point where the page length would be too long to be read comfortably if every generation is included in the article in detail. For example, [[Honda Accord]], [[Honda Civic]], [[Toyota Corolla]], [[Toyota Camry]], and others. The second generation section is quite long so it would make sense to be split into its own article. Next I'm planning to split the first generation section as well. - [[User:Andra Febrian|Andra Febrian]] ([[User talk:Andra Febrian|talk]]) 07:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Hatchens]] Is the proposal still up? Seemed like this had reached a dead end (?) - [[User:Andra Febrian|Andra Febrian]] ([[User talk:Andra Febrian|talk]]) 07:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Andra Febrian}}, I reviewed it but I think we need a second opinion on this mergeing part. The merge notice has been put just two days ago. So let's wait. Howvever, Can we simultaneously start a discussion on a Honda Fit's talk page and invite others to add their views? - [[User:Hatchens|Hatchens]] ([[User talk:Hatchens|talk]]) 10:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
'''Oppose.''' Too popular and too much text to add to the Honda Fit article. --[[User:BlueCrabRedCrab|<span style="color: blue">BlueCrab</span>]][[User talk:BlueCrabRedCrab|<span style="color: red">RedCrab</span>]] 14:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' - enough content to justify standalone. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">'''&nbsp;Mr.choppers&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;'''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 15:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


== Categorisation in sources ==
::How about including a comparison between a new Fit and a 20-yr old Geo Metro. Often in comparisons, the Metro at 53mpg (hiway) is ahead in fuel consumption<ref>http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-transportation/miles-per-gallon-cars-zb0z11zblon.aspx</ref>. So does that mean gas-powered cars are more efficient? Or does fuel consumption have nothing to do with efficiency? [[User:Santamoly|Santamoly]] ([[User talk:Santamoly|talk]]) 21:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


A quick survey of Google search results for "Honda Fit review" and "Honda Jazz review" brings up the following:
== Fit EV deserves its own page ==
*''[https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/fit Car and Driver]'' call it a "{{tq|small car}}" and a "{{tq|subcompact hatchback}}".
The Fit EV has enough EV specific things to talk about that I think it deserves its own page. Also, the charging/recharging section needs to be expanded. What type of charger does the Fit EV use? [[User:Brentonstrine|Brentonstrine]] ([[User talk:Brentonstrine|talk]]) 18:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
*''[https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/honda/fit/ Consumer Reports]'' call it a "{{tq|tiny hatchback}}" and "{{tq|such a small car}}".
*''[https://www.edmunds.com/honda/fit/2020/review/ Edmunds]'' call it a "{{tq|small car}}", a "{{tq|subcompact hatchback}}", a "{{tq|small economy-minded hatchback}}", a "{{tq|subcompact car}}", a "{{tq|small hatchback}}", an "{{tq|economy hatchback}}", and a "{{tq|subcompact economy car}}".
*''[https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/fit/ Motor Trend]'' call it a "{{tq|small car}}" and a "{{tq|little hatch}}".
*US ''[https://www.autotrader.com/car-reviews/2020-honda-fit-review-281474979982298 Autotrader]'' calls it a "{{tq|subcompact car}}" and "{{tq|a small vehicle}}".
*''[https://www.autoblog.com/buy/2020-Honda-Fit/ Autoblog]'' calls it "{{tq|a spacious small hatchback}}" and "{{tq|a subcompact}}".
*''[https://www.whatcar.com/honda/jazz/hatchback/review/n17343 What Car?]'' calls it a "{{tq|small car}}".
*''[https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/honda/jazz-0 Top Gear magazine]'' calls it a "{{tq|small car}}", a "{{tq|supermini}}"
*''[https://www.carwow.co.uk/honda/jazz Car Wow]'' call it a "{{tq|small car}}".
*''[https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz Auto Express]'' call it a "{{tq|supermini}}".
*''[https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/jazz/first-drives/honda-jazz-15-i-mmd-hybrid-ex-2020-uk-review Autocar]'' call it a "{{tq|supermini-cum-mini-MPV}}".
*''[https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/hatchback-2008/used-review/ Parker's Car Guides]'' call it a "{{tq|small car}}" and a "{{tq|supermini}}".
*[https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/honda/jazz/used/ The RAC] call it a "{{tq|supermini}}" and a "{{tq|small car}}".
*''[https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/ Car Magazine]'' call it a "{{tq|supermini}}".
*''[https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/honda-jazz-66851 Cars Guide]'' calls it a "{{tq|small car}}".
*''[https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-reviews/honda-jazz-review Which Car?]'' call it a "{{tq|city car}}".
*''[https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/honda-jazz-ends-australian-run-with-final-edition Car Expert]'' call it a "{{tq|light car}}".
*''[https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/honda-jazz-review/ Drive.com.au]'' call it a "{{tq|light car}}".
Overall I would say that the term with the most [[WP:COMMONALITY]] would appear to be "small car" out of all of these. [[User:HumanBodyPiloter5|HumanBodyPiloter5]] ([[User talk:HumanBodyPiloter5|talk]]) 13:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Fit = Cunt in Sweden?

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Rumor has it, that the reason the name is different in Europe is because of a naming goof. Truth or Fiction? The world would like to know.
~ender 2013-01-02 11:59:AM MST

There is such a word in swedish: "Fitta", See http://translate.google.com/#sv/en/fitta
It makes for a nice story, which is usually an indicator of an urban myth. See similar claims at http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/misxlate.asp
A lot of these urban myths are too good of a story to be true, and the "small on the outside, but large on the inside" slogan seems like it is a good example of that. See http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp for another example.
The main reason I don't buy this story is that the vehicle is marketed as the "Fit" in Japan, China, and North and South America and as the "Jazz" in Europe, Asia, Oceania, the Middle East, and Africa. Why change the name in Africa if the naming problem is in Sweden?
Until someone comes up with a reliable source showing that the Fit name was used in Sweden and then changed, I suggest treating this as a probable urban myth. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was originally planned to be named "Fitta", press materials etc were already printed by the time Honda realized that all of Scandinavia would laugh their heads off. Since Europe is a fairly well integrated market, "Jazz" (as already used in the 80s) was chosen instead for the entire region. I guess the other markets just followed by sheer inertia, but don't have any actual evidence for that part. Added another citation from 2002.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm interested to see the original report('Daily News'?) which seems to be the source material. The original of urban myths always seems to come from other sources which can never be found.--North wiki (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what you are referring to. I added a Swedish language source from 2002. Also, it is recommended that editors not alter their earlier comments on talk pages - instead add a new comment and leave your existing material. Sometimes strikethrough ("<s> </s>") can be used if you want to show that you have changed your mind about something. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From the Swedish site: 'Det är Dagens Nyheter som skriver att "affären Fitta" kostat Honda åtskilliga miljoner Euro. Man citerar en japansk biltidning.' Where is this "Daily News"?--North wiki (talk) 02:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, "Dagens Nyheter" - I didn't realize that you were translating the name of the paper. I can't find anything that old on their own website, but the Swedish reference is from a reputable car magazine. However, I found this short article from 2008, in which Dagens Nyheter state that the "Fitta" name was an urban myth. "Fit" would still be a problematic name in Northern Europe, but perhaps "Fitta" was always a myth? Maybe an editor in Sweden could find out more?  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My guess is this is just a misunderstanding, 'Fit' would be pronounced by those who speak Japanese as 'Fitta' because in their language, they don't end with a consonant.--North wiki (talk) 05:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's written フィット in Japanese - or "Fitto". No matter what, I wouldn't ever try to market a car called "Fit" in Scandinavia.  Mr.choppers | ✎  23:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Marketing in Sweden is very english oriented, even swedish brands marketed for swedes have been known to use english. I can think of several examples of the use of "fit" in swedish marketing, mainly in reference to clothes (e g "slim fit") and exercise. The "problem" in swedish is that verb- and article form of "fit" is "fitta", so it's likely you would say something along the lines of "let's take the cunt for a spin" ("ska vi ta en tur i fittan"). --144.63.247.11 (talk) 07:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

== Actually in norwegian, "en fitte" is a pussy, and "fitta" is the pussy, while "fitt" is the dialect variant of "en fitte" in the trøndelag and north western region of norway. Many onther dialects of norway also contains variants of the word "fitte" which would make any norwegian gigle like a school kid when the see a Honda Fit/Fitta

Here is an article about the name change from a Swedish car magazine in 2001 http://www.bilsport.se/artikel/honda-fitta-byter-namn-europa-premiar-i-host/ This is another article about the car http://www.automotorsport.se/artiklar/nyheter/20010508/nya-hondan-heter-fitta Interesting about this is: "Uppgiften kommer från ett japanskt motormagasin som specialiserat sig på att avslöja kommande bilmodeller. Svenska Honda säger sig inte kunna kommentera fallet, eftersom "japanska Honda inte själva släppt någon officiell information i ärendet". Klart torde i alla fall vara att den nya lilla Hondan ska premiärvisas i Japan den 5 juni. Om "spionuppgifterna" om namnet är riktiga, lär Svenska Honda få fundera på hur man löser det delikata problemet." Roughly translated: "The information comes from a Japanese motor magazine that specialize in revealing upcoming models. Swedish Honda says it is unable to comment on the case because "the Japanese Honda has not itself released any official information on the matter." Clearly should in all cases be that the new small Honda will be shown in Japan on 5 June. If the "spy data" of the name is correct, Swedish Honda will have to think about how to solve the delicate problem." I guess this could be a mistranslation of フィット "Fitto" that appeared somewhere and then became an urban semi-legend. However the article about the name change (from June 21) says that it was "presented as Honda Fitta". Can't really find any other articles online from this period, except some forum posts from may 2001 making fun of the name of the model. But the real source seems to be some Japanese car magazine that might have spelled it wrong or something. 83.255.73.115 (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(WP:OR) - my mother owns a Honda Fit since 2018; we are from Sweden and the car is an endless source of tawdry jokes. It is quite hilarious but Honda Europe definitely made the right decision...  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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what type of oil is recommended for a Honda Ft transmission — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.220.16.215 (talk) 11:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a section at Honda Fit which talks about second-generation Honda Fit. Why need a new article??? Hatchens (talk) 07:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It has been done in numerous popular car articles which has reached the point where the page length would be too long to be read comfortably if every generation is included in the article in detail. For example, Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Camry, and others. The second generation section is quite long so it would make sense to be split into its own article. Next I'm planning to split the first generation section as well. - Andra Febrian (talk) 07:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Hatchens Is the proposal still up? Seemed like this had reached a dead end (?) - Andra Febrian (talk) 07:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Andra Febrian, I reviewed it but I think we need a second opinion on this mergeing part. The merge notice has been put just two days ago. So let's wait. Howvever, Can we simultaneously start a discussion on a Honda Fit's talk page and invite others to add their views? - Hatchens (talk) 10:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Too popular and too much text to add to the Honda Fit article. --BlueCrabRedCrab 14:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Oppose - enough content to justify standalone.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Categorisation in sources

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A quick survey of Google search results for "Honda Fit review" and "Honda Jazz review" brings up the following:

  • Car and Driver call it a "small car" and a "subcompact hatchback".
  • Consumer Reports call it a "tiny hatchback" and "such a small car".
  • Edmunds call it a "small car", a "subcompact hatchback", a "small economy-minded hatchback", a "subcompact car", a "small hatchback", an "economy hatchback", and a "subcompact economy car".
  • Motor Trend call it a "small car" and a "little hatch".
  • US Autotrader calls it a "subcompact car" and "a small vehicle".
  • Autoblog calls it "a spacious small hatchback" and "a subcompact".
  • What Car? calls it a "small car".
  • Top Gear magazine calls it a "small car", a "supermini"
  • Car Wow call it a "small car".
  • Auto Express call it a "supermini".
  • Autocar call it a "supermini-cum-mini-MPV".
  • Parker's Car Guides call it a "small car" and a "supermini".
  • The RAC call it a "supermini" and a "small car".
  • Car Magazine call it a "supermini".
  • Cars Guide calls it a "small car".
  • Which Car? call it a "city car".
  • Car Expert call it a "light car".
  • Drive.com.au call it a "light car".

Overall I would say that the term with the most WP:COMMONALITY would appear to be "small car" out of all of these. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 13:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]