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== Requested move 6 May 2017 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''moved''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]] ([[User talk:Kostas20142|talk]]) 09:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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[[:Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya]] → {{no redirect|Libyan Arab Jamahiriya}} – This is the common name, used by the UN. &ndash; <span style="font-family:Georgia;">'''''[[User:Illegitimate Barrister|Illegitimate Barrister]]'''''</span> ([[User_talk:Illegitimate_Barrister|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Illegitimate Barrister|contribs]]), 01:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC)<small>--'''''Relisting.''''' [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 14:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)</small>

*'''Comment''' / '''Moot'''.  This article is a [[WP:CONTENTFORK]] as it stands of [[History of Libya under Muammar Gaddafi#Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (1977–2011)]] that was recreated by a "new" WP editor here without explanation: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Socialist_People%27s_Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya&diff=775270522&oldid=746313341].  While breaking it out is potentially fine if there's some plan for expansion, I can't see any at the moment, and it's a very inartful fork in that it includes text from pre-1977 if that's the date it's using.  Just redirect it again IMO.  (If this article is kept, I imagine just "Libya" was the common name - is there evidence that "Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" was used in preference to the other long name?) [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 03:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
** I agree that something should be done to reduce the duplication with [[History_of_Libya_under_Muammar_Gaddafi#Great_Socialist_People.27s_Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya_.281977.E2.80.932011.29]].  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 06:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
*'''Relisting comment''' the above comment is mostly irrelevant to the RM itself, so relisting to garner more input on the actual move request. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 14:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Unnecessary disambiguation, the proposed name already redirects there and is more concise obviously. Looks quite uncontroversial to me in fact. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 18:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support'''.  Although I don't see a strong need for this move, this was pretty common shorthand for Libya's full name at the time.  It (rather than simply "Libya") was used even in contexts when other countries one-word names were used (see [https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bw7MbW0rSL0/TWmJpco1zVI/AAAAAAAAM2Y/olKCvwEr9qQ/s1600/CIMG1113.JPG this image] and Libya's [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3xXr3AH06bM/hqdefault.jpg name plaque at the UN]).  I agree with [[User:SnowFire]]'s concerns about the fork and would support a remerge.  — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #93010b; background:#ef0000; padding:2px; color:#efe6e6; text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family:Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span>]] 03:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Jamahiriya appears to be redundant in meaning with "Great Socialist People's".  Jamahiriya may be an uncommon word, but not in the context of this topic.  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 06:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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== Country title/page needs clarification ==

This is the timeline of Libya's names under Gaddafi:
* 1969–1977: [[Image:Flag of Libya (1969–1972).svg|border|30px]][[Image:Flag of Libya (1972–1977).svg|border|23px]] '''[[Libyan Arab Republic]]''' (including under the [[Image:Flag of Libya (1972–1977).svg|border|23px]][[Federation of Arab Republics]] from 1972 to 1977)
* 1977–1986: [[Image:Flag of Libya (1977-2011).svg|border|30px]] '''[[Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya]]'''
* 1986–2011: [[Image:Flag of Libya (1977-2011).svg|border|30px]] '''[[Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya]]'''

The current state of this article is one of confusion and ambiguity. The title says one name (which already refers to a '''[[Libyan Arab Republic|different Libyan period]]'''), and the article lead section and infobox says another.

Either:
* change the name to '''Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya''' and make the article about the state from 1986 to 2011
* change the name to '''Libyan Arab Republic''' and make the article about the state from 1969–1977
::(If either of the above, we must create other articles for the other state periods.)
* change the name to '''Libyan Arab Republic''', or merge the page back into '''[[History of Libya under Muammar Gaddafi]]''', and make the article about the state under all names from 1969–2011.
Whatever option we choose, we must choose one. [[User:SpikeballUnion|SpikeballUnion]] ([[User talk:SpikeballUnion|talk]]) 18:57, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

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== Remove duplication ==

{{ping|Charles Essie}}: There's really no discussion to have (although I meant to have a better edit summary - didn't notice it got dropped somehow).  This should have been done immediately, and was mentioned in the move request above.  This article is just a fork with the exact same content as the redirect target.    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya&diff=775270522&oldid=746313341 is the diff of the article being recreated without reason.  It's just copy-paste content, and the changes since have been trivial.  More generally, this SHOULDN'T exist as an article; the topic is really "Libya under Gaddafi" and not the rotating names he picked for the state.  [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 16:23, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

::Article has remained strong for 9 years. You can try [[WP:AFD]] but stop engaging in creating this unilateral redirect. [[User:Srijanx22|Srijanx22]] ([[User_talk:Srijanx22|talk]])  14:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
:::The article still exists.  All of the content in this article is at [[History_of_Libya_(1969–2011)#Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya_(1977–2011)]] (which was just moved; was at History of Libya under Muammar Gaddafi before).  There is no content lost here.  This article is just a fork.  [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 17:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Srijanx22}} - There's no need for AFD because there's nothing to be deleted here.  ''Everything in the article you are restoring'' is on Wikipedia, at the very link this redirects to.  What exactly are you trying to do here?  Do you think this is a separate topic that should be split out, or something else?  [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 19:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
::::Libya under Gadafi included Arab Libyan and Great Jamahirirya. People need to know that this is not just "names he picked for the state". I am not alone and at least 3 other editors such as {{U|Syed Aashir}}, {{U|VolgaDnper1488}} and {{U|Charles Essie}} also reverted your unilateral redirect thus you should better take this to [[WP:AFD]] but I can assure you that you will fail. Maybe that is why you are frequently redirecting instead of having a discussion. [[User:Srijanx22|Srijanx22]] ([[User_talk:Srijanx22|talk]])  19:37, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::And if you read the history, you'll see that it was long-term editors other than me that originally redirected and merged the article several times, while it was random passerby that would restore the article each time.  I am utterly baffled by this crowd.  Why do you want the same content in two different places?  You're not making an affirmative argument for why this is a good idea at all, and this article is a pure [[WP:CONTENTFORK]] as is.  Readers can already learn about Gadaffi's Libya there.  There's nothing holy about having a separate article dedicated to just this.  [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 22:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't want to get involved in the whole dispute, but {{Flagcountry|Libyan Arab Jamahiriya}} causes a broken double redirect, since it links to here, which until just now linked to [[History of Libya (1969–2011)#Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (1977–2011)]], which is currently a redirect to [[History of Libya under Muammar Gaddafi]]. I've fixed the broken double redirect, and I hope nobody has a problem with that. [[User:FDW777|FDW777]] ([[User talk:FDW777|talk]]) 15:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)