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==What we need==

We need an article on the book itself, not just the style... possibly discussing the various editions and what changes were made in each, and also if there is a plan for the next (6th) edition.  The article could be titled  [[The Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association]]. 2010 (UTC)

The article might need to be in one language... One section is in Spanish.  [[User:BradyChan7|Brady]] ([[User talk:BradyChan7|talk]]) 06:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Haven't even gotten further than the first couple paragraphs when I recognize there are many problems with this article ,  First of all, it lacks appreciation and understanding of info contained in the APA mission statement with regard to communications in science and how "rigor" in science reporting was far more importance than mere readability for laymen.  Second, the articles uses third person rather than naming the names as to who of what entity made decisions and why -- If this Articledoes not nail down information contained in the APA archives accessible through the library of Congress that will be a grave oversight,  In no way should the contributions of HELEN ORR be overlooked.  there is a grievous problem with APA being a non profit organization and yet charging in some cases exorbitant fees through pay Info for a four page document on an R&D program that was funded by US taxpayers in the first place through National Science Foundation NSF -- Surely there should be no charge for general public access for materials relating to the historic NISP (National Information System for Psychology) program which became the whole trust of APA headquarters operation durin the years between 170 through 1974 at least  can and will fact check dates myself. What occurred at the central office was controversial and unprecedented as Grant funding was under attack by so - called gatekeepers of scince" who were up in arms about the potential advent of a non refereed journal (an Experimental Publication SYstem (eps) --  will go on at a later time, but believe me the subsequent degradation that occurred in the APA pub manual was also a major source of embarrassment to APA -- subsequent to Helen's retirement at age 65.  This article is imo an important story about the role of women in American history Facts should be provided re who made what inputs how Helen worked with Heads of Luck loft Departments generally, who were serving as Journal Editors to generate the APA publications manual in the first place.  
if it doesn't go without saying there just absolutely has to be a,Wikipedia page for Helen Or -- she gave her life to APA and had not made more than $25 k per year by the time the NISP program was initiated -- given the scope and importance and impact of her work an extremely low wage even then ( in 1969 tech eds earned aboutv7 k per year ( can also fact check that  There should probably be a different linked article to APA normal Program so that APA style works along with that -- I am already beginning to draft a Helen Orr page for Wikipedia -- wish I had done all this sooner in my life because I have end stage C9pD and have the sense that if I don't personally do this, much will be most to history that shouldn't bebl





APA journal program and the fact that there were no male technical editors and no opportunity for female technical editors to rise to any position of higher pay grade unless they possessed a phd.  There were also issues of sexual harassment on the joob, as APA members and Journal editors attended cocktail parties with female staff and some apparently thought they had rightvtovtake liberties v with female staff during  time spentin Nation's capitol away from wives at home,  Helen Orr received all such complaints, as did Herald P Van Cott Director of Office of Communications Management and Developmen, who filled in temporarily for Helen, until her "replacement" could be hired Helen Orp suceeded by Anita DeVivo in about 1972  [I am quite capable of doing my own fact checking on the date and specifics I have mentioned here.] [[User:Anderkin123|Anderkin123]] ([[User talk:Anderkin123|talk]]) 12:22, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

==Examples==
Do we have examples to show, as [[The MLA style manual]] article does? ~ [[User:RoboAction|RoboAction]] 07:59, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
:We should have examples of all APA rules cited in Wikipedia policy, eg. the recommendation of APA citation style in [[WP:CITE]].  I've made a small start... --- [[User:Chalst]]/[[User:128.36.233.100|128.36.233.100]] 29 June 2005 04:42 (UTC)

== URL citations in text ==

I can't seem to find in the manual how to format in-text URLs.  Does anyone know how to do this?
[[User:Gary Cziko|Gary]] 17:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow I am rushed for time and making typos deviating v from APA style myself ha just for the helluvit in trying ro communicate a lot quickly but I trust others can extract from what I wrote before a punchy, crunchy list of suggested imrovements, perceived need.  I like what*s already beensaid about letting the editions of style manual speak for themselves -- must acknowledge the pub manual edition that was such a model of incompetence -- read about it at the time in external sources, whereas in my day, at APA, the Pub manual had stellar reputation and "we girls" knew that and we new that, painstakingly following it and havingvweeklyvmeetingvascthoughbin acsororityvto makechusingvstylecsheets in ourvownbworkbgenerated from ourvmeetingvp, Helen coordinatinfvwith copsubstantiveccontentveditors , thexwholevprocess ofcwhat whpwentbon to produce to -- when all proofreading reading was done by hand -- journals were printer by Lancaster Press in PA -- the markup process etc, so much info could be captured in meaningful way showing how technology changed under our eyes .  The advent of IBM selective typewriters the encoding of machine readable. records of Psych Abstracts all the ads and brochures see "times are changing and with them information products and services offered by the APA". I personally wrote some copy appearing over signature of APA Executive OfficerbKenneth Little promoting Journal Supplement Abstract Service in that era and retained copies of ads and technical reports frombthatvtime, which I definitely vibrant to upload to Commons 
 [[User:Anderkin123|Anderkin123]] ([[User talk:Anderkin123|talk]]) 12:58, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

==APA style for online encyclopedia==
This is obviously important since this is an online encyclopedia. The format is not to be found on owl.english.purdue.edu, and not here. Someone put it on!
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== Et al. needs the dot? ==

et al. is an abbreviation of "et alii", so it should have the period, right? I'm not sure what the APA style says about this, though.

Yes, I'm sure that "et al." followed by a dot. However, DO NOT use italic. --[[User:Pbice|Pbice]] 00:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, in the natural sciences we ''do'' Italicize "''et al''." in in-text citations, but for all I know it might not be Italicized in the social sciences and humanities. Whether APA varies by field or whether this is entirely the fact that the natural sciences are not entirely APA (hybrid, somewhat MLA except that in-text citations are by year of publication, not by page number as in full MLA), I'm honestly not sure. Perhaps the Article could clarify that matter, especially if the former is true. [[User:The Mysterious El Willstro|The Mysterious El Willstro]] ([[User talk:The Mysterious El Willstro|talk]]) 01:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Needs wikipedia example ==

This article really needs a good solid explanation of how to handle wikipedia articles. This thing is the world's fastest-growing and most comprehensive single source of information.

This also needs a style for DVDs and Video Cassettes

:Yes, I'll second the DVDs and add movies, TV shows, etc. to the list. I think my citation of a TV show is wrong in the paper I'm writing, but I don't think the professor will nit-pick. However, I don't want to repost it here and spread bad examples. But it would be nice to see the correct way of citing media.

:Also, FYI for the poster: Wikipedia can auto-cite for you at this link:

: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Cite?page=cats

:(But I'm all for comprehensiveness!) [[User:Theinsanecultist|Theinsanecultist]] 00:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:: Um... hate to ruin your short-cut, but you really really can't cite Wikipedia in any sort of formal paper. Maybe in high school your teachers might let it slide, but from post-secondary onward you will most definitely be docked a lot of marks for using Wikipedia as a source. Wikipedia is more for getting background information and (assuming the article provides references) shows you other sources to look for information on your topic. [[User:Drbn|Drbn]] ([[User talk:Drbn|talk]]) 23:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

== Removed criticism in intro ==



The style strikes many authors as imperfect.  It forbids authors to number their section headings, a common practice in science journals that permits cross referencing.  APA style also requires cited authors to be identified just by their initials, as in "J. A. Smith" rather than "Joan A. Smith", making it hard for readers to look up references.  The ''Manual'' is long and forces scholars to spend many hours trying to conform to its prescriptions.  Finally, APA style is established by a small, unelected editorial committee, who offer users no way to request changes. A further issue with APA style is that it supports an extremely wide variation of in-text citation styles, so [[reference management]] software (e.g., [[bibtex]], [[Endnote]]) may not conform perfectly to APA style.
--This is unsourced and sounds very editorial.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] 21:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

:Some of it is editorial. Some of it is backed up. My version of Endnote (9.0) says this in the documentation for the APA 5th Style "The APA style is a very complex style.  EndNote can handle most of the requirements of this style, but EndNote does not include the full spectrum of reference types that are described in the APA manual."
:Similarly, the documentation with apacite (a bibtex style package) says "The apacite package and bibstyle are the zillionth attempt at capturing the requirements of the American Psychological Association concerning citations and reference list. It was written because the theapa package and bibstyle I was using, which seemed to me the best available, turned out to be far from good enough to me. The apacite package and bibstyle will not handle every possible citation correctly, but more usual ones are all handled correctly (I hope...). "
:There is, as you note, some editorialising there. --[[User:Limegreen|Limegreen]] 00:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Wikify tag? ==

This article was recently given a Wikify tag, but in comparison to most such tagged articles this one is in good shape, I suggest removing this tag, which I will do in a day or two unless I get negative comment.  The tag was added by an Anon with almost no edit history on his IP address, but who knows if that is complete.....  '''[[User:SailorfromNH|SailorfromNH]]''' <small> [[User talk:SailorfromNH |Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/SailorfromNH|Contrib]] </small> 00:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
:You ''should'' take it off. It looks pretty good to me compared to the other ones. [[Image:Yin yang.svg|15px|Black and White]]<span style="border:2px solid #C0C0C0; font-family: Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #000000">Black and White</span><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 8pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: -1pt; color: #000000"><sup>[[User:Black and White|USER]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Black and White|TALK]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions|CONTRIBS]]</sup></span>[[Image:Yin yang.svg|15px|Black and White]] 01:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
::I agree.  Since there seems to be no objection, I've removed the Wikify tag. [[User:Davnor|Davnor]] 14:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

==Kudos==

I just had to congratulate whomever's idea it was for the titles of those articles... I was glancing through and saw Kramer, C. ... very clever, and a nice touch, I thought. Narnia and Detroit, perpetual foes?

Anyway, just thought I'd congratulate everyone, it's touches like these that make reading Wikipedia a joy. --[[User:Jackson|Jackson]] 02:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

==Irony==

Am I the only one who thinks it's wacky that a page on a form of standard formatting has a tag saying it needs just that?
:Quite true. :-)  I've removed the Wikify tag, per discussion above. [[User:Davnor|Davnor]] 14:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

==Convert wikipedia "cite journal" links into APA style links? ==
Does anyone know of a program that converts wikipedia "cite journal" links into APA style links? 

Does anyone know of a program that converts APA style links to wikipedia "cite journal" links? 

'''Example:'''

{|border=1
|Johnston, G. (2006, August). Anti-Americanism: An Exploration of a Contested Concept in Western Europe. The Department of Political Science, Louisiana State University. Retrieved October 1, 2006, from etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-05102006-104506/unrestricted/Johnston_dis.pdf. 

Converts into:

*{{cite journal
| first =Gregory 
| last =Johnston
| authorlink =
| coauthors =
| year =2006
| month =August 
| title =Anti-Americanism: An Exploration of a Contested Concept in Western Europe
| journal =Dissertation
| volume =
| issue =
| pages =
| id =
| url =http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-05102006-104506/unrestricted/Johnston_dis.pdf
}}
|}

Or, alternatively:

{|border=1
|
*{{cite journal
| first =Gregory 
| last =Johnston
| authorlink =
| coauthors =
| year =2006
| month =August 
| title =Anti-Americanism: An Exploration of a Contested Concept in Western Europe
| journal =Dissertation
| volume =
| issue =
| pages =
| id =
| url =http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-05102006-104506/unrestricted/Johnston_dis.pdf
}}

Converts into:

Johnston, G. (2006, August). Anti-Americanism: An Exploration of a Contested Concept in Western Europe. The Department of Political Science, Louisiana State University. Retrieved October 1, 2006, from etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-05102006-104506/unrestricted/Johnston_dis.pdf. 

|}

Thanks in advance. [[User:RWV|RWV]] 16:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:Can't provide you with any such thing, though be aware that page 231 of the APA Publication Manual points out that no period is supposed to be placed after an Internet address.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.56.94.53|80.56.94.53]] ([[User talk:80.56.94.53|talk]]) 17:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:: zotero.org [[User:Aenertia|Ænertia]] ([[User talk:Aenertia|talk]])  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 12:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== APA Revision History? ~ Skippy 11:43, Dec 6, 2006 ==

Does anyone know where to find what specific changes made to APA Style recently? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/71.87.200.220|71.87.200.220]] ([[User talk:71.87.200.220|talk]]) 16:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

: Try here[http://apastyle.apa.org/]. I think mostly just referencing online stuff has been refined of late.

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==[[WP:NOT]]==

I have a question... does anyone else feel that this article violates the "what wikipedia is not" in the sense of it reads like a "How-to." 

Thanks 

[[User:Valentinejoesmith|V. Joe]] ([[User talk:Valentinejoesmith|talk]]) 19:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:It does have specific examples, but I don't think this is just as instructions. It should include more on comparison of APA style versus other styles and possibly different wording but I think the examples are necessary for the comparison. Also add a  focus on the history and reasoning behind the style. Several of the other style guide articles (ACS, ISO690, MLA Handbook and MLA Style Manual) have examples, so this may be the case for several others. -[[User:Optigan13|Optigan13]] ([[User talk:Optigan13|talk]]) 01:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


== Heading ==
I have '''removed''' the {{Confusing|section|date=July 2009}} template after adding a short introduction about the use of heading. Of course, this is just to describe what heading are and not to explain ''how to''. The APA Manual is used for actual reference in ''how to'' use heading in an APA manuscript. [[User:Legohead1|Legohead1]] ([[User talk:Legohead1|talk]]) 15:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== APA style not acceptable to International Publishers ==

I recently attempted to have college papers published in Grin.  The respectfully decline to accept APA style citations because APA on authored books do not require a page number. I am assuming that reason for the disuse of the Ibid and Op cit style of publication was for convenience.  I am assuming the professors that require this style have good intentions.  However, the rules the professors abide by are akin to that of the NCAA towards professionalism in college sports.  Only there is no professional league for the academic student to attempt to reconstitute after a lifetime of dedication to learning.

Direct quotation from Grin Publication: "At some quotations the page numbers about the quoted sources are missing (like f. ex.: Clark, T. J. (1999), Grady, R. B. (1996) Pfleeger, S. L. (2001) aso.)

At much information it is not obvious where the presented findings are derived from. However, the exact identification of the sources one wins information from is imperatively at academic research and writing.

Unfortunately, a reference at the end of the work within a bibliography and without the exact page numbers does not satisfy copyright claims.

You're welcome to hand out a corrected version of your text by e-mail (please indicate the archive number V136988, if you hand your corrected text in later).


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==Fifth edition info should be removed==
Since the sixth edition was published in July and contains many changes, is anyone here insisting that descriptions of the fifth edition rules continue? I suggest the fifth edition rules be replaced with the corrected sixth edition. [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] ([[User talk:Skywriter|talk]]) 13:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

== Article in desperate need of reorganization ==

As it is right now, the article is not so much an article about APA style as it is a gigantic bitch- piss- and kvetch-fest about errors in the most recent edition of the APA style guide.  The article is in desperate need of a good introduction, a thorough discussion of APA style itself, and THEN a criticism section (if not a link to a separate criticism article).  I really really want to like Wikipedia, but it's exactly this kind of poorly-organized unevenly-edited excuse for content that makes Wikipedia seem less like an encyclopedia and more like a turd with a thin veneer of competence.  [[User:Stromcarlson|Stromcarlson]] ([[User talk:Stromcarlson|talk]]) 09:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

==Article in need of updating from 5th to 6th edition==
Thank you, Stromcarlson, for sharing your rant that is not at all helpful. Editors, writers and scholars most interested in APA Style will be most interested in the sixth edition. APA took a giant hit with its latest stylebook and, contrary to your claims, the information presented about the sixth edition ought not be buried at the end of the article. This is not a criticism of APA style. It is an encyclopedic guide to consumer aspects of that agency's most current style book and how to get around its errors. For anyone writing a thesis, a book, or an article for a journal that requires APA style, 6th edition, the information at the top of this page is exactly what is needed to make an informed choice on how to buy a version of the style guide that is not riddled with error. This information is not easy to come by--APA does not make it easy to come by as this information is now buried in several places on its blog. If I had not been editing a doctoral dissertation that requires the application of APA style, I would not have known of the pitfalls in the current edition. The value of this information is not as presented in your vulgar explosion but in the items that aid researchers in coming to terms with the problems of a poorly published style book. This is not my opinion. The facts about the sixth edition are properly documented and voiced by scholars. 
The information regarding fifth edition should be modified to reflect the many changes over the fifth edition. Perhaps Stromcarlson, unless you are simply blowing hot air, you will make a positive contribution such as adding to the article by describing APA sixth edition style and the changes in this edition. [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] ([[User talk:Skywriter|talk]]) 00:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

==[[WP:NOTHOWTO]]==
It's been more than a month and no one has commented to suggestion that article be updated to reflect changes from the 5th to 6th edition. Meanwhile, I have read [[WP:NOTHOWTO]] and believe it applies here. Does anyone object to the removal of the how-to directions for the 5th edition manual? I don't want to blank all those sections without hearing what you have to say. Please advise. [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] ([[User talk:Skywriter|talk]]) 03:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

They should only have been removed if you were replacing them with the new ones, otherwise the article is only about the manual and its publication and actually has nothing to do with the style itself, which was an all too prominent aspect of the article as it was. [[User:Valethar|Valethar]] ([[User talk:Valethar|talk]]) 13:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


Fifth edition directions restored until sixth edition directions are provided as a replacement. [[User:Valethar|Valethar]] ([[User talk:Valethar|talk]]) 13:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you will say how inclusion of the old set of how-to rules reflects [[WP:NOTHOWTO]], which states that Wikipedia is not a how-to manual? [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] ([[User talk:Skywriter|talk]]) 18:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

:I tend to agree that there is too much "how to" content in the article.  A citation to a third party summary, plus a briefer summary and a few examples, is all the WP article needs. <b><i>[[User:Tayste|Tayste]]</i></b> ([[Special:Contributions/Tayste|edits]]) 20:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, misunderstood why you deleted them. I think the information is all necessary, but maybe the examples are not. Without the information it ceases to become about the style though, so good midground needs to be found. [[User:Valethar|Valethar]] ([[User talk:Valethar|talk]]) 13:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==[[WP:Advertising]]==
Edits to this article are apparently being made by an APA employee with access to APA internal documents. The changes that were made caused this article to sound like a public relations response and not a Wikipedia article. The article was then edited with references to APA's internal documents removed. Those edits were reverted. Links critical of APA's handling of errors in the 6th edition were deleted; adjectives and adverbs and other excess verbiage were added to put a positive spin on APA's handling of this matter, despite public criticisms which were censored in this article.

Changes to this article should reflect Wikipedia guidelines for style and no free advertising. This means that editors must be aware that articles can not appear to be written by personnel of a public relations department or firm. It also means that critical viewpoints can not be censored. 

The link to this article, written by a North Carolina librarian, was inappropriately deleted. [http://blogs.lib.ncsu.edu/crisiscom/entry/the_apa_s_reputation_management] It will be reinstated. Please do not remove it again.

[[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] ([[User talk:Skywriter|talk]]) 19:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing this out.  I'll keep an eye on it, as I hope other watchers will. <b><i>[[User:Tayste|Tayste]]</i></b> ([[Special:Contributions/Tayste|edits]]) 20:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== Cleanup needed ==

This article is in urgent need of cleanup. As it stands, it is now mostly a manual on how to follow the APA style, which is exactly [[WP:NOT|what WP is not]]. --[[User:Crusio|Crusio]] ([[User talk:Crusio|talk]]) 17:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

:What a joke. Now the article is completely useless, because apparently listing the number of errors in the manual is more appropriate than listing what the manual says. The article was informative, useful and clear, but hey, that's exactly what WP is not, right? --[[Special:Contributions/31.151.210.27|31.151.210.27]] ([[User talk:31.151.210.27|talk]]) 14:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

:Agreed. This article is about APA style as a subject - its history, use by authors, reception and criticism, etc. This is an encyclopedia article, not a cheat-sheet for students or authors. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 05:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== APA Style and WP:NOT ==

I believe we have some disagreement about the WP:Not and the utility of this page.  It looks like there was a previous discussion a couple years ago that did not end in consensus.  Let us reopen that discussion here and see if a consensus is reached.  Until such time the info should be left up so it can be evaluated.  Either way I will abide by it.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avalongod|Avalongod]] ([[User talk:Avalongod|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avalongod|contribs]]) 05:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Some of us have already begun this discussion in the section above so I'm not sure why we need another section.  And you don't seem to have said anything about how or why your disagree with what seems to be a straight forward application of a policy with widespread support. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 05:42, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:And a review of the more recent discussions about this topic seem to indicate a very clear consensus.  So how do you reach the conclusion that there isn't a consensus? [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 05:44, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:*Exactly. There is a ''community-wide'' consensus that WP is [[WP:NOTHOWTO|not a "how to" guide]]. If you want to argue that this article should be an exception somehow, fine, we can have that discussion. Until that discussion ends in a decision to go against community policy here (highly unlikely, I have to say), the article should remain conform policy. Anybody wanting to "evaluate the info" can do so by looking at the article history. --[[User:Guillaume2303|Guillaume2303]] ([[User talk:Guillaume2303|talk]]) 09:43, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Well there are two different sections above that addressed the issue and in *both* there was obvious disagreement among users, so I'm not sure how you're calling that a consensus.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.91.76.238|69.91.76.238]] ([[User talk:69.91.76.238|talk]]) 14:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::I see several editors - at least 5 - that have agreed that this is a problem.  Only 1 editor other than yourself has denied that this is a problem and another editor has partially agreed that it's a problem.  [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 17:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::::*Note also that ''consensus'' is not the same as ''unanimous''. --[[User:Guillaume2303|Guillaume2303]] ([[User talk:Guillaume2303|talk]]) 17:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::::: Understood.  Very well, I shall withdraw my objections, and go with what appears to be the group consensus.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Avalongod|Avalongod]] ([[User talk:Avalongod|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avalongod|contribs]]) 02:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::::I am not denying Wikipedia is not a 'how to' guide. The point is that it makes perfect sense to give a number of examples of how a style guide is applied in practice. Right now there is no way of knowing what APA-style actually looks like! By the same token the examples from [[serial comma]] and the cooking process from [[boiled egg]] would have to be removed, because these *could* be used as a guide by some. A how-to guide consists of examples, but examples don't automatically make something a guide. --[[Special:Contributions/31.151.210.27|31.151.210.27]] ([[User talk:31.151.210.27|talk]]) 17:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::: This is my perceptions as well.  Perhaps the previous version went too far?  I wonder if there is a compromise between the two perspective.  [[User:Avalongod|Avalongod]] ([[User talk:Avalongod|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 18:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Possibly add link to scholarly discussion forum about APA: howtowritecitations.com ==
Link I added was removed: "If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it" Well, here I am. I still think a link to my site is warranted, given that is it the only current (2012) web site that combines a citation generator and a scholarly discussion forum on the topic of styles, e.g. APA. Sincerely, Kent  [[User:Loffy|Loffy]] ([[User talk:Loffy|talk]]) 12:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:There are dozens of citation generators and your forum has no activity.  This is an encyclopedia article, not a venue for you to promote your website(s). [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 04:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

== Exemplify APA style in notes and references ==

The notes and references for this article should exemplify the APA style format conventions.  For example, APA style specifies that article dates should be given with the year first, then a comma, followed by the English month name and then day, for example:  Smith, John (2013, April 1). The title of some article. <other information>.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.149.72.128|99.149.72.128]] ([[User talk:99.149.72.128|talk]]) 17:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No.  Wikipedia has its own [[WP:MOS|style guidelines]]. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 19:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

== Citation to Guidelines for Nonsexist Language in APA Journals is wrong ==

The citation to this document--APA Publication Manual Task Force (June 1977). "Guidelines for nonsexist language in APA journals [Change Sheet 2]". American Psychologist. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. 30 (6): 682–684. doi:10.1037/0003-066X.32.6.487. ISSN 0003-066X. OCLC 696450842. Retrieved October 27, 2011.--lists the wrong volume (it's 32) and the wrong page numbers (they're 487-494). I tried to change them but my changes seem not to work. The citation link goes to the correct citation, which shows the text here is incorrect.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ronny8|Ronny8]] ([[User talk:Ronny8#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronny8|contribs]]) 14:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->Ron Foster 13:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)Ronny8

== Move and rescope ==

This should move to [[Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association]] or perhaps [[APA Publication Manual]], to follow typical short usage, and be rescoped to cover the work, with the style stuff it recommends as a subtopic, along with publication history, etc., the way we treat ''[[AMA Manual of Style]]'', ''[[MLA Style Manual]]'', ''[[The Chicago Manual of Style]]'', ''[[New Hart's Rules]]'', etc. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span>
: I agree. [[User:ARK|ARK]] ([[User talk:ARK|talk]]) 16:10, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

== Dubious ==

The phrase "APA Style is complex" in [[APA style#Characteristics of APA Style citation|this section]] does not figure in any of the two cited sources. [[User:Amara-Amaziɣ|Amara-Amaziɣ]] ([[User talk:Amara-Amaziɣ|talk]]) 02:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

== What justifies the APA guides? ==

Many people and institutions have accepted the APA guides, but what, beyond popularity, justifies their existence? I've found several post hoc rationales. The one by Madigan, Johnson, and  Linton is perhaps a best-of-breed:
[https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c7a2/270cd3fe06ba86b475fba6c32bd4a528dd37.pdf ''The language of psychology: APA style as epistemology'']

Were there ever any published objectives that drove the development of these guides? Let alone a path from objectives to requirements analysis to published guides?

[[User:Page Notes|Page Notes]] ([[User talk:Page Notes|talk]]) 19:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

== APA ==

The format [[Special:Contributions/41.59.81.19|41.59.81.19]] ([[User talk:41.59.81.19|talk]]) 00:32, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

APA mission statement

should use more first person statements than third person which obscures actor, making it seem as though things just mysteriously appear and the organization gets sorta nonomically "involved" ?  Needs better diction.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Anderkin123|Anderkin123]] ([[User talk:Anderkin123#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anderkin123|contribs]]) 14:24, 15 February 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== APA is not lingua franca of medical journals and should be corrected ==

This article notes that APA style is utilized by medical journals which is not true. Peer reviewed medical journals almost exclusively use Vancouver style. See [[Vancouver system]] and [[ICMJE recommendations]]. [[Special:Contributions/216.243.32.50|216.243.32.50]] ([[User talk:216.243.32.50|talk]]) 03:07, 5 August 2023 (UTC)