Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian Future Party

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. A clear consensus now to Keep this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Future Party

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Non-notable protest/vanity political party. Was formerly a redirect to its founder/leader, Dominic Cardy, a former New Brunswick New Democrat who was elected to the provincial legislature as a Conservative and later expelled from the Conservative caucus. In 2023 after the federal Conservative Party elected Pierre Poilievre its new leader, Cardy and a small number of disgruntled party members split off and formed their own party, at one time called "Centre Ice Conservatives", later "Centre Ice Canadians", and now ~~registered~~ eligible to register as the Canadian Future Party. This party got a blip of coverage when it was formed last September, including a hit piece used as a reference here which opines in its first paragraph, "this tiny group of disgruntled politicos has no political future in Canada". It has had not a single bit of coverage since, other than very brief passing mentions in routine coverage of federal politics. The article as it stands is a promotional coat rack leaning on the prestige of a few notable political figures who were associated with the party's predecessor groups before splitting from the CPC, but are not evidently currently involved with it at all. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Politics, and Canada. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the party has just met Elections Canada eligibility requirements which means they have passed the notability threshold and as of July 22, 2024 are listed as an "eligible party" on the Elections Canada website [1]. Wellington Bay (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wellington Bay, WP:NORG is very clear that political parties are not awarded "inherent notability" simply for existing, and must meet WP:GNG (WP:ORGCRIT). Curbon7 (talk) 23:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Looking at List of political parties in Canada our practice has been that recognition by Elections Canada or a provincial equivalent establishes inherent notability. Wellington Bay (talk) 23:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - There is no such thing as inherent notability. Cullen328 (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, given that they have managed to pass Elections Canada's criteria, vanity project or not, they will be as notable as any other minor party soon if they aren't already. Wellington Bay (talk) 02:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      When they actually get someone elected, which likely won't happen, then we can have an article about them; "pie in the sky" hopes aren't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Having someone in office is not a requirement for notability. There are numerous articles on parties around the world that have never elected anyone. Wellington Bay (talk) 00:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Quite correct. People's Party of Canada also fits the line of having a Wikipedia page despite never gaining a seat and being an offshoot of a disgruntled former parliamentarian.
        
        And if we want to talk about vanity, there are the pamphlets of the Communist Party and Marxist-Lennist attacking each other. Both also have a Wiki and no seats.
        
        Here is a list of all official parties:
        
        https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=par&document=index&lang=e
        
        And because it is now an official party, it merits it's on article instead of a large subsection on the interim leader's page. Marveloushistorian (talk) 07:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        
        But getting elected will give them coverage, was my point. We have nothing about this person/party. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Keep: Political Science prof here (I focus partly on Canadian Politics). 1) CFP is an officially recognized federal party; 2) they were created by a number of high profile political actors (not really a vanity party in any meaningful sense - but even if they were this wouldn’t be a reason to delete the article since other vanity parties do have articles, such as the PPC); 3) there are already Wiki articles for significantly smaller parties (including Maverick Party); 4) they are at least noteworthy enough to have been granted a public platform by CPAC and all major news outlets ; 5) we should aim to err on the side of increasing the number of articles for legitimate/recognized parties rather than trying to gatekeep for political purposes (I.e., more access to more information and viable options for voters is beneficial for democracy); 6) because of Canada’s multi-party system, even smaller parties like CFP can play a big part in electoral politics and policy discussions; 7) this party is effectively an attempt to reincarnate the Progressive Conservative Party and revitalize the longstanding Red Tory tradition in Canadian federal politics, so lots of opportunities to link with other existing articles. 2607:F2C0:ECAA:600:3830:E0BB:2920:B8C8 (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per WP:ORGSIG: "No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools." Also per WP:ORGCRIT: "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" - this fails that test, and political parties are not exempt. AusLondonder (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep

Quote; if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject

1. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/from-centre-ice-conservatives-to-canadian-future-a-new-federal-party-takes-shape-1.6570315

2. https://jacobin.com/2023/10/canada-new-future-party-centrism-dominic-cardy-politics

3. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/new-federal-centrist-party-canada-1.6972891

4. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/michael-taube-canadian-future-a-party-for-losers

5. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2023/09/20/news/upstart-federal-political-party-wants-provide-centrist-alternative

This is not including the coverage of 'Centre Ice Canadians' which the party emerged out of. Wilson (talk) 01:21, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: incorrect, they’ve been the subject of coverage by all major national news outlets and were granted a public platform by CPAC. So, this actually passes the test. 2607:F2C0:ECAA:600:3830:E0BB:2920:B8C8 (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - well, given that the party has announced it will be running candidates in the upcoming byelections and general election it is likely that it will be receiving more independent, verifiable coverage this year and next, so I ask that if the decision is to not keep the the article, that it be replaced with a redirect to Dominic Cardy so that future editors don't have to start from scratch once there are more sources. Wellington Bay (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Same reasoning as yours. Black roses124 (talk) 02:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. FYI, a subject isn't judged to be notable by potential future coverage. What sources exist today?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There are, as far as I can find 8-9 news articles that mention the party. The wiki page itself has 10 (2 internal, 8 news). Most minor parties have more sources but have also been around longer (except the Centrist Party which only has 4 sources). The Animal Protection Party of Canada has been around since 2005 but if you exclude links to Elections Canada results it has less sourcing than this wiki page. Looking at formerly active political parties gives a mixed bag with some parties having more references and some having fewer (including, oddly, the Progressive Conservative Party). Wilson (talk) 00:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gay 182.18.198.220 (talk) 10:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There was a burst of coverage in Fall 2023 when the party first came along [2], but nothing since... Non-notable party that no one has talked about in almost a year now. The next election in Canada likely isn't until this time next year, so if there's been no coverage, I'm not sure what else will pop up. I've not heard of them in the year since these were published. Oaktree b (talk) 22:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cardy was apparently arrested in Toronto on August 2nd; I've only learned this by visiting their facebook page. You'd expect the leader of a political party getting arrested to make some sort of news, but nothing was reported. This is very much a non-notable party at this point... Oaktree b (talk) 22:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really true at all. There was a national post article about it. Here's the article. It also appeared on a Global News TV report. Saying that it got no coverage at all is not at all fair. 199.243.125.91 (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that article has at most 6 sentences, which isn't enough for notability. There is still a lack of extensive coverage about this person or the political party. Getting arrested isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you still honestly believe there is not enough media coverage? Black roses124 (talk) 05:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case you say yes just look at all the people saying keep and the links they’ve provided. Black roses124 (talk) 05:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article, it is debatably on the same level of notability for Canada, as small vanity parties like the Forward Party and others are for the United States, there are much less notable US and European Political parties that have been given articles as well. This wouldn't be a conversation if it was an American vanity party that came up, why should it be for a Canadian party of the same level? And given that the party is likely to make a notable impact in upcoming by-elections or the next general it is something that has been notable recently and will get even more attention as time goes on as well. Unova Yellow (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Dominic Cardy. I don't see enough coverage separate from him. If this is more than a vanity party, there probably will be coverage during the next election. But that isn't reason to have an article now. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aydo h8^[contribs] 23:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/a-former-progressive-conservative-who-calls-pierre-poilievre-terrifying-is-launching-a-new-political-party/article_4d9956a0-5987-11ef-9f45-232cb62f5150.html

New coverage with more after the candidates are announced tomorrow. It seems the article is going to remain relisted just long enough to get new coverage and negate a primary objection to the article's notability. Wilson (talk) 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-future-party-launches-1.7294230

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/not-left-not-right-but-forward-dominic-cardy-officially-launches-new-centrist-federal-political-party-1.7000587

https://www.cpac.ca/headline-politics/episode/canadian-future-party-officially-launches--august-14-2024?id=49a3affb-83c9-4986-af3a-f6788fddbead Wilson (talk) 19:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly even more media coverage and there is going to be even more coverage once we get closer to the election. Black roses124 (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Will be contesting elections and getting a reasonable amount of media coverage. Seems silly to delete when more coverage is pretty clearly coming in a matter of days as well. 100.0.177.22 (talk) 19:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The Party announced its formal launch 14 August 2024 at the Canadian Parliamentary Press Gallery in an event broadcast live on the Canadian Parliamentary Channel^[1]. The launch was covered by the CBC^[2], CTV^[3], and Canadian Press^[4]. The announcement accompanies the nomination of candidates to run in byelections in LaSalle—Émard—Verdun in Montréal and Elmwood—Transcona in Winnipeg. Since the announcement, the Party has been the subject of active discussion in multiple Reddit forums^[5]^[6]. Evanleibovitch (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: They officially launched the party today (in EST time at least) and now that it's official, it deserves some merit. User:Iwuedfh — Preceding undated comment added 22:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Further evidence of notability (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-future-party-centrist-option/) leads me to believe that it warrants its own page. Cyali (talk) 02:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The Party launched on August 14th 2024. They had a presser of CPAC, have a candidate, Mark Khoury, for the LaSalle--Émard--Verdun By-election and are in the process of nominating one for Elmwood–Transcona . Lastly, the interim leader had an interview on CBC on the evening of August 14, 2024.

https://www.cpac.ca/headline-politics/episode/canadian-future-party-officially-launches--august-14-2024?id=49a3affb-83c9-4986-af3a-f6788fddbead

https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/vis/candidates?L=e&ED=24037&EV=59&EV_TYPE=3&PROV=QC&PROVID=24&QID=-1&PAGEID=17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2KGl84XXNQ&t=44s Marveloushistorian (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: has also been discussed at some length as Centre Ice Canadians; see the Globe article referenced above. 13:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Discussed at length by multiple national media, on multiple occasions, over the space of a year, registered with elections Canada, running candidates in by-elections, founder is himself notable. 120000 results on google for the exact search phrase (by comparison, I clicked random article twice and got a number theory article with 1200 google results, similarly, the maverick party also has a wiki page and I only got ~8000 results, and much less media coverage).69.173.141.86 (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as they are contesting elections and other registered parties have articles.

JSwift49 21:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: If there can be articles for the Marijuana Party, Marxist-Leninists, Centrists, Animal Protection, Veterans Coalition, and Free Party among many others, which all have similarities to this one as being relatively obscure and having no actual representation, there is no reason this article shouldn't exist. They are recognized by Elections Canada and are contesting 2 important byelections that will occur next month. Patriot of Canuckistan (talk) 03:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Cremastra (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as they are an official party now and per what other Keep discussions have mentioned. - Evelyn Harthbrooke (leave a message · contributions) 12:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given the excessive national media coverage I've seen for this part in the last few days (CBC, Globe and Mail, CTV, etc.), as well as the biggest local paper in the country (Star), I'm surprised this is still open. I didn't disagree with the nomination when I saw it last month, but I think events have overtaken the discussion. Perhaps User:Ivanvector can now withdraw this nomination

Keep as others have pointed out, considering all the recent coverage it seems obvious at this point. Kryptec (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttps://www.cpac.ca/headline-politics/episode/canadian-future-party-officially-launches--august-14-2024

[2] ttps://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7294230

[3] ttps://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/not-left-not-right-but-forward-dominic-cardy-officially-launches-new-centrist-federal-political-party-1.7000587

[4] ttps://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/national/from-centre-ice-conservatives-to-canadian-future-a-new-federal-party-takes-shape/article_b1906e0a-ed2c-54d0-b0e3-d734e2037c08.html

[5] ttps://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianFutureParty/

[6] ttps://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/1erpwyz/a_former_progressive_conservative_who_calls/

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