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User:ToadetteEdit

• ToadetteEdit (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Reason for requesting page mover rights: I want to have my page mover rights extended, as I contribute to RM/TR. Was given 3mo trial and it will end on August 20. Toadette^Edit! 08:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

 Automated comment This user was granted temporary page mover rights by Robertsky (expires 00:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)). — MusikBot ^talk 08:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, Toadette. You were great during the 2024 CrowdStrike-related article title saga! I hope you become a Page Mover at the same time as me! Jruderman (talk) 06:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Given User talk:ToadetteEdit#Move review for Donald Trump fist pump photographs just today, as well as a past history of similar closes of deletion discussions at DRV, I am not convinced this should be granted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 06:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

At the least, asking Toadette here what might or should have been done differently seems appropriate. Dekimasuよ! 06:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm also concerned about User_talk:ToadetteEdit#RM_at_Talk:Ted_Wilson_(figure_skater), which is, at best, a communication failure (A good closer will transparently explain how the decision was reached – WP:NHC), and at worst a headcount to determine consensus (WP:NOTDEMOCRACY). DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 13:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@ToadetteEdit: would you please respond to the above concerns? Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 15:50, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Good evening. It has been a while since the request was opened. I've resolved the concern about the Donald Trump photo RM by moving to the appropriate page. I also answered the concerned about the Ted Wilson page, so communication isn't an issue here. My consensus is often misunderstood by many, but this time, I will only focus on closing straightforward RMs and leave controversial ones until I improve my decision-making skills, in addition to answering RMTR requests. ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

About "my consensus is often misunderstood by many", can you explain what you mean? Whose consensus is being determined in these discussions, and why might your intention be misunderstood frequently? Dekimasuよ! 03:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

As you can observe on my talk page and the latest archive. therre were people who disagree with my closure and associated consensus. There aren't any consensus from others and people see me as an editor new to closing discussions, and therefore sometimes others do not understand my consensus or confused of it. ToadetteEdit (talk) 05:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. However, this does not assuage my concerns. Consensus is formed among editors through the process of discussion, and a closure should reflect the consensus that is shown in the discussion. When other editors disagree with one of your closes, this indicates a feeling that your close did not reflect the balance of the result of the discussion, not an intent to discount your perspective because you are a newer closer. Consensus is not an aspect of the editor closing the discussion, so while you may mean "my reading of consensus", we do not normally refer to "my consensus" or "consensus from others" when marking the outcomes of discussions. Dekimasuよ! 06:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I understood your statement. It's my sense of consensus and my implementation. At first, editors do not agree with the closure in the first place, so that was what I meant by "consensus misunderstood". ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello ToadetteEdit. I am going to mark this as  Not done, though I take no pleasure in doing so.

One fundamental requirement for page movers is the ability to communicate clearly. I think the exchange directly above is representative of the problem. Quite frankly, it should not have taken two replies to drill down what you meant by my consensus. Ideally it should have been clear in your original comment. If questioned, you should have taken one reply. Occasionally being unclear is okay: We all make mistakes, after all! But the fact that your closures are frequently misunderstood is a problem with your communication, and not one I am comfortable having in a page mover.

Some advice, which I will repeat from your own user page: slow down [your] activity because there is no deadline. You do not need to rush to obtain permissions. In fact, remember the Tortoise and the Hare story: going fast is no substitute for deliberately thinking through all your actions.

You are, of course, welcome to continue to make RM closes, and make use of WP:RM/TR. I would suggest doing this and building a track record of excellent communication, and re-applying for the permission in a few months. Good luck :)

Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 17:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Understood, I will return again after working extensively in move discussions and after I improve my communication skills. Thanks for the feedback anyways. ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Iwaqarhashmi

• Iwaqarhashmi (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I'm an active AfC reviewer, and I spend a lot of time patrolling new pages. I often draftify articles that are not sourced or need additional sources (over 250 articles so far). Having this right would be super useful and help reduce the number of R2 tags for admins in the backlog. I also have experience in WP:RM, and I'd like to request page mover rights for non-controversial tasks. Thank you, Waqar💬 16:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)