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Resysop (Valereee)
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I desysop’d a couple months ago because I’d lost interest in editing and was hoping that taking a break would help me figure out why. Although not exactly for the reasons I was maybe anticipating, I did figure out what my problem was, and I learned a bit along the way. It has been valuable learning for multiple reasons, some unexpected.
At any rate, I’m ready to pick up tools again, and thank you bureaucrats/admins for your tolerance and the work involved in desysopping/resysopping/changing perms that enabled me this time to figure things out. I’m aware there’s a 24-hour hold to allow for comment. valereee (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hold noted. Primefac (talk) 19:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Has 2022 admin actions. — xaosflux Talk 10:28, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
@Valereee: This doesn't really have any bearing on your resysop request but I'm curious what you learnt during your break and what insight you could provide to other admins who sometimes find Wikipedia stressful? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:54, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Before someone unilaterally moves this question to somewhere else on Wikipedia, I'd like to put in my 2 cents and say that I am really OK with related discussion to an initial comment on this notice board staying here. This notice board rarely gets that busy to require related comments (be they thanks, commiserations, tangential questions, whatever) being moved off. SilkTork (talk) 11:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- (after ec) I was going to say I'd be happy to and would take it to my talk, but if others are interested here and it wouldn't be disruptive, that's fine too. I'll go ahead and start here; if it gets to be too much, anyone should feel free to move it to my talk.
- The short answer to what I learned: for me, having admin perms which in my RfA I'd requested for use in a specific area gave me a sense of duty to that area. When I started not to enjoy working there, that sense of duty (which was all in my own head, no one else is responsible for that) turned into resentment and eventually avoidance of editing altogether. Just walked away for two months. What I learned from taking this break is that setting down tools was simply a mind game I was playing with myself to give myself "permission" not to do that work. So for other admins (and not just for admins but for anyone who is one of the few people working in a particular area): if you feel some sense of duty to a certain area, and you're also finding yourself less interested in editing in general, maybe it's not a coincidence. Down tools (literally or figuratively) and see what happens.
- The long answer is...well, long. So I won't go into it, at least here, unless there's actual interest. But it might not be a bad idea in general to encourage admins to take the occasional break to remind themselves of a few things. valereee (talk) 12:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer Valereee. I recognise what you are talking about: the self-imposed pressure to do one's share of the workload, which is not helped by the random comments one sees from people who feel that admins have some kind of official duty to do admin stuff on a regular basis. My take is that we are all volunteers, and every positive edit or action we make is an asset to the community and to the encyclopaedia, but we are under no obligation at all to make any edit or do any action. If at any time I fall behind on any minimal amount of edits or actions (as I did recently with the global renaming right) then I have absolutely no problem with that right being taken away. I'd rather have a right taken away because of non-use, or resign it, than stress about using it just in order to keep it. I think your approach is the right one. SilkTork (talk) 15:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Soon after I desysop'd, I found myself dithering over requesting pp on a COI issue that I would have just semi’d for a couple of days myself. Laziness over having to explain my reasoning to someone else when what was happening, though slightly complicated to explain, was clear to me? Knowing a response in such a situation could take long enough that the request might be moot by the time someone else dealt with it? Some combination, probably. Those kinds of things kept happening. Minor things I could have handled. I think the crucial issue in whether retaining a rarely-used perm is a net positive is that the perm holder is sure their understanding isn't outdated. Unfortunately, that's a concern. valereee (talk) 15:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer Valereee. I recognise what you are talking about: the self-imposed pressure to do one's share of the workload, which is not helped by the random comments one sees from people who feel that admins have some kind of official duty to do admin stuff on a regular basis. My take is that we are all volunteers, and every positive edit or action we make is an asset to the community and to the encyclopaedia, but we are under no obligation at all to make any edit or do any action. If at any time I fall behind on any minimal amount of edits or actions (as I did recently with the global renaming right) then I have absolutely no problem with that right being taken away. I'd rather have a right taken away because of non-use, or resign it, than stress about using it just in order to keep it. I think your approach is the right one. SilkTork (talk) 15:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't want to curtail a good discussion (feel free to return to it afterwards), but 24 hours has now passed with no reason not to return the toolset. I'm resysoping now. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)