Talk:Gravidity and parity

Merge

Due to the brief (ie, a simple textbook defination of these terms) nature of these articles, all of these should be combined into one Wikipedia article:

Parity Gravidity TPAL Gravida/para Gravida/para/abortus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.224.74 (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Parity (biology), Glossary of terms associated with gravidity (formerly Gravidity), TPAL (medicine), Gravida/para/abortus should be merged into one article.

1) I suggest merging into Parity (biology) since it seems to have the longest history of the lot.

2) Suggest the resulting article should be moved to Obstetric history, or something similar, which covers the range of terms involved without favoring any one more than another. It would also make the article title easier for the non-medical audience to identify the subject at a glance, while staying within the MEDMOS guidelines on article naming. (As an article subject 'Glossary of terms associated with gravidity' has two problems, it doesn't obviously cover parity (though that could be added), and I am not sure that a glossary is really an appropriate topic for an encyclopedia article.) Zodon (talk) 09:58, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

3) I agree the aforementioned topics could be consolidated into Obstetric history. I would add that it is convenient for non-OB/GYN folks to find a brief reference on this nomenclature that is digested quickly. If that could be maintained within the superstructure of a larger article via links, I completely agree. --Dr. B (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

4 I say leave it like it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.48.179 (talk) 19:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the merge; will merge Glossary of terms associated with gravidity , TPAL (medicine) and Gravida/para/abortus here.Skydeepblue (talk) 21:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Nulliparity - Why change to breast CA risk

Unclear why this edit removed material sourced to Robbins Basic Pathology. text, and replaced with similar material based on a meta analysis. Would have thought that Robbins was a better source, but not my area of expertise. Zodon (talk) 07:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

What does Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease cite as the evidence? You don't seriously expect a simple reference to a "basic" preclinical text (typically aimed at non-medical students/non-physicians) to serve when there's citation of the primary reference available, do you? Who do you really think deserves credit for discoveries in medicine--the people who make and have to defend the discovery or some 2nd tier summary? You would probably object to citing the Reader's Digest as an authority...right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.1.89 (talk) 00:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Nulliparity

The big question about that section is why is it even here. First, it is so far human only (whereas this article is about biology in general). Second it seems likely that it may duplicate other articles (e.g. childlessness). If it is to become a section, then it really needs balance. Silly to talk about small risks like breast cancer without talking about large risks, like maternal mortality. Zodon (talk) 07:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

humans only what???

...humans only... [insert next clause of sentence at this point].

As far as I know, it is quite possible for other animals to be nulliparous as well. None of my (neutered) female dogs never were pregnant, so it is quite possible for non-humans to also have never had a baby or other outcome of pregnancy to report.

childless ≠ nulliparous

Childlessness is quite distinct from nulliparous. Childlessness means you don't have a child. Men can be childless. It is nonsensical to talk about "nulliparous men". There are a lot of reasons for being childless: e.g. you gave the baby you just had (i.e. you are very much not nulliparous) away for adoption. So it is here because it fits in the context of a discussion of pregnancy outcomes. On the other hand, I don't know of any laws which prohibit birth because you are nulliparous. So a woman could have multiple children and still be nulliparous. Heck, even a guy can have children.

The only relationship is that nulliparity is one of the causes of childlessness, and many, if not most, nulliparous women don't have children.

Merge is completed; article should probably be renamed "Obstetric history"

I merged Glossary of terms associated with gravidity , TPAL (medicine) and Gravida/para/abortus here, as suggested above. This article should probably be renamed Obstetric history as it was proposed above. The article is still a total mess, and needs a lot of work.Skydeepblue (talk) 21:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Caesarean section

If a baby is delivered via Caesarean section, is the parity nomenclature exactly the same as for birth via vaginal delivery? The 2 different routes have implications for things like later stress urinary incontinence.

Requested move 11 May 2014

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The result of the move request was: move to Gravidity and parity. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Parity (biology) → Gravidity and parity – This article is about both gravidity and parity, and it makes sense to rename it so this is clear. A rename would clearly define the scope of this article and its contents. It is also appropriate as these two terms are closely related, and, as is clear above and in the content of the article (more than half about gravidity), this content has already been merged here. There is precedent for 'and' in titles for related concepts, including Sensitivity and specificity. LT910001 (talk) 07:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Oppose the move as proposed, as "gravidy" is not a word in common use (not in major dictionaries, no hits in this context on, say, Questia) and thus fails WP:RECOGNIZABLE. I'd have no similar objection to a move to a title such as Gravidity and parity. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:38, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Yet another example of my poor spelling, for which I apologise. I've corrected the proposal. Ping to Justlettersandnumbers and BDD. --LT910001 (talk) 11:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, that spelling does seem to be in use, just not in common use; so no apology needed, I think. No objection to the move as now proposed. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Support Gravidity is a medical term, better article scope. ^walk victor falk ^talk 01:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• I'm not knowledgeable about the subject, but there's currently no instance of "gravidy" in any article on the English Wikipedia, so I'm inclined to think "gravidity" (which is used) is the appropriate form. --BDD (talk) 19:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

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Fix

I've tried to copyedit, wikify and rearrange in a more logical order this article. I welcome the contributions and improvements of other editors. --LT910001 (talk) 03:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Parity illustration

I don't know if it helps anyone else, but my experience in higher education studies of biology and science were helped tremendously by tying together like or similar processes as they repeat themselves in circles of a cycle. I felt my understanding didn't jump the gap until these overlooked signs were pointed out to me. I would like to see connection mentioned between obstetric number record of Mothers and the orbital notation record of Atoms, as they are the same cycles, just not commonly recognized due to each cycle being the same but of seemingly different circles. It was important to my understanding of recognizing Truth of a larger picture. - Dirtclustit (talk) 08:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Non-binary terms

I edited this post to be inclusive of all sexes who may be birthing. I'm rather shocked that it was changed back when it is not in dispute that trans and intersex persons give birth and are not "female." This is a question of accuracy of terms, not of morality. As someone who works in birth, I would want the most accurate information available to people reading this page. CCalvano (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

"We encourage you to be bold in a fair and accurate manner." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started?markasread=96949365

I was BOLD, fair, and accurate in my changes.

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If Wikipedia is committed to openness and diversity; if it "not only accept[s] diversity, but...actually look forward to it" then you must allow for the edits that include all those who birth, may be pregnant, and may be part of their family. CCalvano (talk) 04:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Saw this edit today: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gravidity_and_parity&diff=prev&oldid=949548103&diffmode=source

Perhaps there should be a RfC on this? Might be due for an update. Myoglobin (talk) 23:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)