Talk:Multiplayer online battle arena

Strategy?

I'm not sure I understand why this 'genre' is lumped in with Strategy games, other than the origins as a Starcraft mod/scenario. By all accounts, this genre is more in the style of ARPGs than ARTS, just with interface holdovers from their ARTS roots.

I would think if you can call MOBAs and their ilk Strategy games, might as well call Battlefield and Tribes series games (or really any similar FPS/TPS with a focus on teamwork and taking out or over bases) by the same label, since they involve just as much strategic or tactical thinking and coordination with teammates.

How exactly does this sort of thing work, exactly? I mean, yeah, the genre spawned as a Strategy game mod, but the play style and mechanics seem more in line with other genres. I feel like this isn't the only instance of mods playing very differently from their host game, just a rare instance where such spawned a separate genre beyond the host game. What's the logic and methodology for classification and categorization in this case? 71.121.252.207 (talk) 02:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

MOBA games are not RTS, but they are strategy games. Strategy is much wider term than RTS. MOBA genre only originated as a subgenre of real-time strategy, but now is completely separate genre. 178.223.136.199 (talk)

I agree with the point that if we call MOBA Strategy games then why won't we call Battlefield strategy games too. The root of considering MOBA as Strategy lies in the fact that most known games of this genre are RTS (League of legends, DOTA etc) and so MOBA became associated with Strategy games. But now we can see it more clear that MOBA is separated from Strategy because we have a few examples of MOBA games that are more likely considered ARPG than Strategy (Smite, Paragon). I think categorization MOBA as Strategy should be reconsidered. QueenToF7 (talk) 06:52, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Which map illustration to use?

File:Dota 2 minimap.jpg

Which of the two map images conveys MOBA games better to a reader unfamiliar with the genre? I replaced the left one with the right one, and User:Ferret changed it back with an edit summary "The generic map is better for illustrating the genre, rather than a particular game." Even if it's a particular game, I think the second picture adds a lot more to the reader's understanding of the genre - the trees and buildings give an immediate sense of scale, where the abstract version could be any size (and if anything suggests a baseball field, one person at each corner). It also gives a sense for what the games actually look like on the screen. --Gapfall (talk) 16:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The generic image is used across multiple MOBA articles (I.e. League of Legends) to illustrate the basic concept, while games often differ in exact layout and number of lanes. It's also the image used across multiple sister projects, and while consistency with other language projects isn't required, I think it serves us well for a genre article. -- ferret (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, would be misleading to use a Dota image to illustrate gameplay the League of Legends article. Seems like we're free to pick the best possible image for the main genre article, though.

But actually this might be moot if the second image is a copyright violation - it's described as "a reproduction of the minimap featured in the video game Dota 2" on commons, which I took to be someone having photoshopped a homage from scratch, but is it actually just a screenshot? (I haven't played Dota 2.) --Gapfall (talk) 16:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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September 2019 Overhaul

Hi, I have done overhaul of the article this month, but I kept everything of value in it. I tried to make it more compact, clear, and organized. My focus was on important features of the genre, instead to talk about details which are characteristic only for one game. I think it will be of use to people who are less familiar with genre, casual players, new players, researchers of the phenomenon, etc.

Any further suggestions are welcome. EchoBlu (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

ARTS?

I've heard that Valve call DOTA 2 ARTS but besides that I didn't find any source that use ARTS term, especially synonymous to MOBA QueenToF7 (talk) 16:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

• I need to agree with you, it feels like this term is artificially pushed on Wikipedia (unintentionally). It doesn't reflect true state which can be found in sources. This name has become a "fact" just because it exists on this page for last 10 years. Maybe it was debatable 10 years ago, but in last several years this name is completely forgotten. EchoBlu (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2020 (UTC)