Talk:Soccer in Australia

Skyring wants to re-open the football vs soccer war.

Earlier today I reverted an edit changing "soccer" to "football" in this article, with an edit summary that quoted policy - Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). User:Skyring (AKA Pete) reverted, saying "It's no longer 1960. "Soccer" isn't the name of the game any more." This is a confrontational edit, firstly because it is in contravention of the above policy, and secondly because of that policy's history. This user and I were both major players in the very nasty debate around four years ago which led to the current policy. He didn't get the result he wanted from that debate, but has never given up. You will see another attempt of his to change the policy in the section titled "Sources" above, around two years ago. Today he is trying again, not in the correct way, but by defying the current policy and edit-warring.

I do not want another nasty fight. I submit that nothing has changed significantly enough in the past four years to cause the policy to change, and that User:Skyring is not editing in a cooperative way. HiLo48 (talk) 06:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Message left on his talk page reminding him of consensus per WP:NCFA. Fenix down (talk) 07:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. What on earth makes you think I'm not aware of it? The world moves on, and frankly it's embarrassing to see this old term used for Australia's most popular sport, whose own governing body has long since moved on to the term used around the world. Time to reopen the discussion, it seems. --Pete (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not embarrassed. "Soccer" is the only name that makes sense where I live. HiLo48 (talk) 08:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

That's fine for you, then. The name was changed fifteen years ago, and there are editors keen to work on football-related articles who, I dare suggest, view your opinion with less flattering eyes than your own. What do you say to them? --Pete (talk) 09:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I say to them that the word football isn't owned by anyone. Words can be "owned", through copyright, or as trademarks, or by being deemed by the government to be nationally important, such as Anzac. In Australia, "football" is not such a word. It means far too many different things to different people in different places and at different times. It's just plain ambiguous. HiLo48 (talk) 22:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

In your own mind, do you truly see the word "football" as ambiguous? I suggest that some people see it as referring to one sport only. Sports can be a matter of religious fervour to some, and attachments to heroes and deities and names runs very deep in such hearts. --Pete (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

"In your own mind, do you truly see the word "football" as ambiguous?" Yes. HiLo48 (talk) 01:22, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Looking over your contributions, you call their good-faith edits vandalism. How do you think they feel about this? --Pete (talk) 09:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

"Looking over your contributions, you call their good-faith edits vandalism." Not true. But perhaps we need a clearer template. HiLo48 (talk) 22:01, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

"Someone using this IP address, 1.41.90.220, has made edits to 2018–19 A-League that do not conform to our policies and therefore have been reverted. For more information on this, see Wikipedia's policies on vandalism and limits on acceptable additions."[1] (My emphasis). Did you not make that edit, ten seconds after reverting their good faith edit? --Pete (talk) 22:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

See link to proposal below, where I suggest renaming "soccer" to football in football-related articles only. --Pete (talk) 07:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it soccer?

Clearly there is some dissatisfaction with the way Wikipedia deals with the name of the sport. I have commenced discussion at Naming_conventions (Football in Australia) and I invite contributions. --Pete (talk) 06:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Marconi Club, Italian based

I recall that David Hill, the head of the Australian Soccer Fedaration tolf the Marconi Club that it could no longer use Italian colours on its symbols because Italy, as part of the European Union, no longer existed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.107.205 (talk) 13:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

It is clearly not Soccer

Despite the comments from the unwashed masses who have no interest in the sport and make comments based on the prediction of denigration of the term "football" as compared to its "common" usage names for "Rugby League" and "AFL" or "Aussie Rules" the name is football and it has always been football around the world for more than 100 years... There is no confusion when the correct names for the sport are used rather than denigerations such as "mungo ball" or "hand egg" stop with the bias please ladies.

IF all the articles on Wikipedia used their correct name with appropriate redirects there would be no misunderstanding. --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The current consensus is to use the "soccer" term per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). See discussion right here: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Looking at practical usage here. Your changes may be in good faith but you broke some of the links and changed titles in citations via a search and replace function. Which is why it's reverted. theinstantmatrix (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Editors may propose a consensus change by... editing --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)