Hasteur

Media Viewer RfC arbitration case - extension of closure dates

Hello, you are receiving this message because you have commented on the Media Viewer RfC arbitration case. This is a courtesy message to inform you that the closure date for the submission of evidence has been extended to 17 August 2014 and the closure date for workshop proposals has been extended to 22 August 2014, as has the expected date of the proposed decision being posted. The closure dates have been changed to allow for recent developments to be included in the case. If you wish to comment, please review the evidence guidance. For the Arbitration Committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Re:Trouting

Hello! You are quite right that I should have come to you before saying something negative about you to Dziewulek, and I apologize. However, I feel that telling a new editor that they have done "an exceedingly poor job" and accusing them of not reading what you wrote before telling them to "find someone else to complain to" is not constructive and is likely to alienate them. Just wanted to give you a heads up that you may be coming off as more harsh than you intend. Does that make sense? --Cerebellum (talk) 15:18, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Cerebellum When you have users who clearly haven't read the decline reason, who clearly haven't corrected the issue that I declined for, who fail to read the edit notice (specifically If you're coming here to complain about an action I've taken (such as declining your Articles for Creation submission) please read the reasoning carefully. I try to leave enough information for editors to be able to correct the issue on their own. I will not be responding to any pleas for review here.) why should being brusk be a bad thing. Oh sure I could have been sunshine and rainbows out the butt, but that would have only encouraged them to continue in mediocracy, not go back and improve the submission. Also please note that the user did take my advice and improve the article. Hasteur (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure, if that's your style then drive on. I disagree but of course you're free to ignore me :) --Cerebellum (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

AfriForum

Hi Hasteur, last week you accepted an AfC submission for the AfriForum (civil rights organisation) article, but an article about AfriForum (without disambiguation) already existed. Now the two articles need to be merged, and given that much of the new article is unsourced I'm tempted to just redirect the new AfC article to the old one. Let me know how you want to handle this. Thanks,--eh bien mon prince (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Underlying lkHowever you want to handle it, however the one I promoted out is imensely better so if you blank and redirect it, that's effectively vandalism and will probably be reverted, so I strongly suggest you perform a proper merge. Hasteur (talk) 00:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't really see how it is so much better when much of its content is unsourced, but I'll be happy with whichever other solution you come up with if you don't agree with mine. Will you help with the merge?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Underlying lk Ok, I spliced the content together with a very large needle. Now regular editing can pare it down to the right levels overall. Hasteur (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Underlying lk Also you may want to visit Commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:AfriForum.png and give your thoughts. Hasteur (talk) 13:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I will, thank you for your help!--eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Greg Day Playwright

Hi, thanks for message regarding above. The Greg Day page went online some time ago and was approved. Picknick99 (talk) 22:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiKitteh of Understanding

Thanks to you and Chillum for reaching out and saying that, I really appreciate it. It's been a long time since I've actively contributed, but I vividly remember how easily people got tied up in the politics of WP. I'd prefer to focus on editing the encyclopedia for the time being... rather than getting a bunch of people into a heated dispute. Thanks again. BMIComp 01:20, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

afc technical questions

Hi, I'm wondering a couple things that the afc help desk doesn't seem like the right place to ask.

1. I have a submitted draft making its way through the review queue. It's currently in "pending submissions by age" of 6 days ago, which I gather is not too bad given the current backlog. Question: suppose I make a few more edits to the draft today. Do the new edits kick it back to being a new submission at the tail end of the queue? I think it has reasonable chance of acceptance as-is, so I'm wondering if it's likely to be reviewed sooner if I leave it alone.
2. I'm also wondering about the technical machinery behind the "pending submissions by age" categories. How do the drafts move between the subcategories based on age? I would have thought there was a bot updating the subcats, but there are no updates like that in the subcat edit histories, so then I thought maybe there is magic template code someplace that figures out the ages of category members, but I haven't been able to locate that by inspecting the templates that I've looked at so far. Any pointers?

Thanks! 50.0.205.237 (talk) 19:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

In RE:

1. If you edit it it will not go to the back of the list, however if you edit the {{afc submission}} template it will.
2. The Template does the calculations to determine which by Age category the AFC submission is in, however it takes a cache clearing or null edit to get the category to update if it's been sitting in a specific category for a rew days. Hasteur (talk) 20:34, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I've mostly figured out how that template works, based on your advice. It expands into text containing a category tag that's dynamically generated by calling other nested templates, eventually reaching a Lua module that computes the text description of the time delta. But, do you have any idea how the category pages themselves get updated, if nothing is rendering the article page? I don't think the server software automatically regenerates every page on the site at any interval. Is there a bot that periodically sweeps AFC to re-render all the drafts so the cat pages automatically update? Or I guess it might just rely on the pages being manually viewed now and then, which would explain why the categories are sometimes out of date. 50.0.205.237 (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

As another matter, can you say anything about the review process? The first sentence of my submission is basically "So-and-so is the Joe Schmoe Professor of Somethingology at Prestigious University [citation]". This was designed to establish WP:PROF notability right away under criterion #5. That should get the article past AfD if it's nominated, which I thought was the point of AFC review. Is there still a lot of review needed, if the rest of the article looks basically sane? 50.0.205.237 (talk) 18:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

In RE:

• 18:40 8 September 2014: There is a bot that is scheduled to traverse through the pages and perform a null edit every few days or so so that the categories get updated. Even the simple act of a regular editor coming in and editing the page regenerates the categories. When we're in our current state, it doesn't matter how percisely the page transitions from 3 weeks pending to 4 weeks pending, it's still pending.
• 18:17 8 September 2014: It's all dependant on the context in which you present the information. Bases only on the prose you present here, I'd decline as not-notable Biography.
  1. How does Joe Schmoe's "A Professor of Somethingology" make him unique compared to any other Professor of Somethingology that any university has?
  2. Please read criterion #5 again very closely. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon). Based on the prose you presented, Joe does not meet this requirement
  3. Depending on what the citation to back this up (i.e. a reference to the school) this could be effectively a pointless citation as we need independent verifiable data, not the employer reporting info.
  4. Finally, AfC's purpose is to try and raise the quality of the submissions to a level where it has at least a 50% chance of passing a AFD nomination. This includes checking copyright violations, checking rules/policies/guidelines/best practices/informal standards. It also includes checking if there's already an article that substantially covers the topic, verifying that there's appropriate outbound links (links to other WP articles), and a reasonable amount of potential inbound links for when the article is promoted to mainspace. Some reviewers shoot for a higher threshold for the AFD test because every article that gets promoted out from the warm incubator of AfC only to be seized upon by zealous deletionists would only dishearten the advocate for an article when they loose their submission.
• We've danced around the bush long enough. Ask about a specific submission and I'll give my gut feeling, otherwise I'm done having this conversation

The sentence is "So-and-so is the Joe Schmoe Professor", i.e. So-and-so (the subject of the article) holds the named chair called the Joe Schmoe Professorship, which was endowed by Schmoe Family Foundation or some such. That would seem to meet criterion #5. Joe Schmoe is not the subject of the article. Does that clarify? I think the other stuff is not too much of an issue with the article. The submission is Draft:Rubén_Gallo and I'm happy to have you look at it. I didn't name it at first because I didn't want to seem to be asking for that. 50.0.205.237 (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments in the draft. I've started addressing some of them, and will continue later, but will be away for the rest of today and possibly several days. 50.0.205.237 (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I updated the draft to add some more external sources, mostly book reviews which I think establish WP:AUTHOR notability in addition to the WP:PROF that was already there. I noticed your comment about the Princeton faculty page not being independent, but I think the only stuff I used from it was ok per WP:BLPSELFPUB (stuff like guy's degrees and the courses he teaches). As mentioned in my followup comment, I don't see any copyright problems in that robo-scan, since the matches it found were almost entirely department names, academic titles, and an attributed quote or two. Do you see any remaining issues? Thanks. 50.0.205.237 (talk) 19:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Case Opened: Banning Policy

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy/Evidence. Please add your evidence by September 16, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Seddon ^talk 12:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Ref.: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Density of air concern

• Hi, ok np the article is already published, please can you delete the page in question, ty RookTorre (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker)  Deleted. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Technical assistance?

I have this user-space project at User:CorporateM/request_edit to create an AfC-like wizard/project space for Request Edits. It uses pre-loaded forms like User:CorporateM/request_edit/contest/preload that create Request Edits based on information filled out by the submitter. Naturally the pre-load includes the Request Edit template, which puts the preload itself into the Request Edits category. Do you know of any way to remove those pages from the Request Edits category while allowing the wizard to continue adding other pages to the category? CorporateM (Talk) 23:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

22:40:51, 3 October 2014 review of submission by Bkelts

• Bkelts (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Russell Blake (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi. I added some more information about Russell Blake, in particular his co-authored book with Clive Cussler. I'm curious what the "bar" is to be including in wikipedia. Am I close or do we have a longer way to go.

There are citations from articles in WSJ and (London) Times. So they are real sources. But maybe you're looking for more? He's definitely well known among Indie authors, but not as well known by the public at large.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Bkelts (talk) 22:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

23:00:57, 3 October 2014 review of submission by Bkelts

• Bkelts (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Russell Blake (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I wanted to add an additional comment. A comparable author would be Joe Konrath who has similar # of books and references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._A._Konrath

Would it help to list all the books Blake has authored?

Bkelts (talk) 23:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Adam Baranello

Hi. You might wish to comment at User talk:Gdancer#Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam Baranello. Sorry if I've misunderstood something. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 05:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)